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CS after 15 years & what to expect in TX?

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OU812

Junior Member
Money hungry is definitely my take on it too.

Does anyone have any attorney referrals for Houston?
I've read such awful attorney stories that I dread sinking my money into some awful attorney when I'm sure that we won't even have enough money if retro is ordered. The only thing I can even imagine is maybe taking out a loan on DH's retirement money. From what I've read on retro support, the current financial situation is taken into consideration, so I'm hoping that's the case, and the judge will see that even the future CS order will be putting us in more debt as it is.:(
 


VeronicaGia

Senior Member
Go to this website:

http://ocse3.acf.dhhs.gov/ext/irg/sps/selectastate.cfm

Click on TX and pay specific attention to Section I.

They indeed can go back four years or even to the date of birth, but read the entire section, get an attorney and fight back support. You said she was "well to do," fight it based on that. Also, hopefully you weren't well to do, be ready to prove it would be a hardship to pay any back support.

Hire an attorney. It could save you thousands of dollars later to put out a thousand or two now.
 

VeronicaGia

Senior Member
As for an attorney, I don't have a referral, but check the following:

www.attorneypages.com

the Texas Bar Association

Martindale-Hubbel (may be one more "L" at the end of Hubbel)

Make a list of questions, keep a separate sheet for every attorney you talk to and write down their answers. Most will only give a 30 minute free consultation at best, so really think about what you want to ask. One or two specific things I would ask is their ratio of CP's versus NCP's - you want 50/50 or more NCP sided. Also, ask how much experience they've had with your situation, and talk as extensively as you can about relieving you of any obligation to pay back support.

BTW, you've had a DNA test, right (sorry, I don't remember)? If not, demand one NOW.
 

OU812

Junior Member
Bump for Boxcarbill input, & more quesitons....

My husband has denied paternity in order to get the legal DNA proven, but we have yet to hear back from the court about testing. The hearing is supposed to be next week! I haven't booked a flight yet, and am unsure if I should (although the rates are going up as we type) because I'm not sure if there's enough time to get the results before the hearing. We've retained an attorney, but he hasn't returned calls or emails in 2 weeks!
UGH, not the way I need this to start.

So, how long does it take to get a DNA test done & the results returned? Should we count on an extension being requested? And, TIA for any insight Mr bill.
 
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Boxcarbill

Guest
OU812 said:
What is the name of your state? Texas

If anyone has answers to 1 or more of my questions, I'd greatly appreciate it, as it's hard going into this not knowing what to expect.

DH's ex GF has decided after 15 years to now file for support through the AG's office. So far, the only paperwork we've seen is 1 form sent to his office to verify employment. I'm positive the rest is yet to come.

We're pretty sure DH is the father, but will request proof of paternity if it doesn't cost much. He only dated the ex a couple of times, she claimed to be on the pill, but "whoops". He knows she was just trying to trap him because he told her he was moving.
Long story short, a month after the child was born, he did move away. There was only contact for another few weeks, and then she severed ties. Although, he didn't want contact either.
5 years later she calls. He states that he couldn't talk right then. She demanded to talk right then or threatened that he would never have any contact with her or her son again. They hung up, he was content with that & that's the last he's heard.

Until this past week.....The child is now 15. She has a new last name, but we're not sure of her current marital status. DH is now married to me, and we have 3 children. So, my questions are:

1. With the child being 15, and DH just now being contacted, what are the odds of him having to pay retroactive support? Lenght of time considered if possible?

2. I know about the 20% standard for future payments, but what consideration is given to *our* 3 children? Our current debts? Is there a formula for this to calculate what he'll be liable for? Or any personal insight that can be shared?

3. We are in FL now. Will he have to physically go back to TX for this?

4. I've read that mediation is the AG's first approach. Correct? Are they fair, or will I have to count on going to court?

5. What are average attorney's fees for this type of case?

Any other tips or things I should be aware of? This is all totally new to me, and I'm worried out of my mind from all the horror stories I've been reading about how the courts are often ridiculous when it comes to judgements.

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My response.

1. With the child being 15, and DH just now being contacted, what are the odds of him having to pay retroactive support? Lenght of time considered if possible?

As to the law, as opposed to calculating Las Vegas odds, the courts in Texas may order child support retroactive. There is a four year statute of limitation on chilld support . So the stuff about ordering child support back to birth is in dealing with a child under four years of age. There are a number of factors that the court looks to when ordering retroactive support, including whether the father knew or should have known about the child. What, if any, prenatal support and subsequent support he has given. You stated that he was there until about a month after the child was born and he didn't want to have contact with the mother or to talk to the mother 5 years later when she called. Neither of these two things will help your husband. I would highly recommend that he not bring up "her trapping" him or that she is "money hungry" or what her motivation is now in pursuing support from him. It is irrelevant. Both parents are obligated to support a minor child and this is a minor child. If he is this child parents, he owes support, regardless of mother or mother's motivation.

2. I know about the 20% standard for future payments, but what consideration is given to *our* 3 children? Our current debts? Is there a formula for this to calculate what he'll be liable for? Or any personal insight that can be shared?

Under the Texas child support guidelines ( and there is a presumption that the standard guidelines are fair), child support will be computed for children in more than one household, which in your case is one child before the court and three children not before the court comes out to be 14.75 percent of net income. The guidelines presume the obligor is also furnishing the health insurance. If not then the obligor has to reimburse the obligee for the cost of the health insurance coverage for the child. Net income is all income from whatever source (but not a new spouse's income) minus health insurance for the child; minus union dues if they are required by the employer; minus federal taxes calculated for one exemption (and state if applicable) and then plug in 14.75 of that figure and that is the child support.

3. We are in FL now. Will he have to physically go back to TX for this?

Under the Uniform Interstate Family Support Act, it is not necessary. The statute allows for communication in writing, by telephone or by other means between tribunals to obtain information. A tribunal of another state may assist in obtaining discovery and may compel a person over whom the tribunal has jurisdiction to respond to a discovery order issued by a tribunal of another state. A tribunal may permit an out-of-state party or witness to be deposed or to testify by telephone conference. Also UIFSA authorizes establishment of parentage in an interstate proceeding.

4. I've read that mediation is the AG's first approach. Correct? Are they fair, or will I have to count on going to court?

Correct. It depends. If the parties think it is fair then there is an agreement reached. If not then the Judge decides what is fair and there is usually one of the parties who thinks that decision is unfair.

5. What are average attorney's fees for this type of case?

Attorney's fees are based upon the experience and area of practice as well as the location of practice. So attorney's fee can vary considerably.

6. Regarding DNA test, that too depends upon who is doing the testing and how far they are backlogged but you should certainly have the result in 30 days. Yes, a Motion for Continuance is needed if the DNA results have not come back and the Motion should be an Agreed Motion For Continuance. Hopefully, I covered eveything.

Oh, how to find an attorney, under "atttorneys" in the yellow pages there is a 1-800 number for the Texas State Bar referral service. They will provide you several names of attorneys who practice in the given area of interest as well in the county or in a neighboring county if no attorney is available in that area of practice in your particular county. They cannot make a referral of a specific attorney.
 
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OU812

Junior Member
Thank you for your reply. Duly noted that her intent both before & now will not be verbally expressed in court (it's just an observation I'm relating to the forum here).

The hearing was supposed to be this week according the phone meeting from the AG's office lady from several months ago. However, come to find out, the process server attempted to serve my husband at our old house several weeks ago at which we're obviously not at, and didn't attempt to locate him beyond that apparently. They have his work address so I'm not sure why he wasn't served there. Regardless, he was not served. He finally talked to his attorney a couple of days ago, and he too had not received any information from the AG's office even though he sent them notice of his representation for us. He has instructed us to do nothing further until we are legally obligated. I pray he's right & we won't get hit with some default judgement for the supposed hearing from this week. :(

Oh, & this mediation thing. Is it more than this last conversation he had with the lady in the AG's office? Because that was ridiculous! Should we expect another sort of conference type situation where a person is actually there to discuss an actual monetary amount? Or are we headed straight to court now?

Thanks.
 
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Boxcarbill

Guest
OU812 said:
Thank you for your reply. Duly noted that her intent both before & now will not be verbally expressed in court (it's just an observation I'm relating to the forum here).

The hearing was supposed to be this week according the phone meeting from the AG's office lady from several months ago. However, come to find out, the process server attempted to serve my husband at our old house several weeks ago at which we're obviously not at, and didn't attempt to locate him beyond that apparently. They have his work address so I'm not sure why he wasn't served there. Regardless, he was not served. He finally talked to his attorney a couple of days ago, and he too had not received any information from the AG's office even though he sent them notice of his representation for us. He has instructed us to do nothing further until we are legally obligated. I pray he's right & we won't get hit with some default judgement for the supposed hearing from this week. :(

Oh, & this mediation thing. Is it more than this last conversation he had with the lady in the AG's office? Because that was ridiculous! Should we expect another sort of conference type situation where a person is actually there to discuss an actual monetary amount? Or are we headed straight to court now?

Thanks.

Boy that is hard for me to answer not having been there in " this last conversation he had with the lady in the AG's office." Anytime one is dealing with a governmental employee it is going to be a lot of frustation. "Good enough for government work" pretty much says it all. But most AG cases are worked out in mediation. There really isn't a whole lot to argue about so it pretty much comes down to math.
 

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