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baffeledinaz

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Arizona
I was fired in April of 2013 for absenteeism. Despite my direct manager telling HR they did not want this. The same issue had happened 2 yrs previously -both times due to car problems & now this time the distance between home and work was 25 miles one way. The previous time, as punishment I was moved to the day shift, not fired. Fast forward two years - I had just moved back to the night shift. Bad timing - started having car problems again. I started taking the bus, but buses don't run at 1am, so I was having to take a cab home at $50-$60 bucks a pop. The week before I was fired I spent $280 on cabs.
A couple of weeks ago a co-worker from this previous job calls me and suggested that I should talk to HR about going back to work. They told me how the dept I worked in really needed the help.
So I did speak to HR, I'm blown away by what she said. I can't believe I didn't fully comprehend what she was saying until after we hung up. She told me that she "pulled my file and was concerned about the "On going two year absenteeism record" I had". Not that I had the same issue twice in a two year period, but an "on going two year record!" That HR person hasn't worked for the company now for over a year, I have no idea how many people have held that position since she left. But she is the only person who could have put that in my file, being the only HR employee. She had only worked there for 6 months.
There are no words to describe what I'm feeling. No wonder I haven't been able find a job. When prospective employers call asking for reference that is what they've been hearing. I wouldn't hire me, either. I have never, ever had this hard of a time trying find a job. Now I know why, finally...
I've read up on the law and I believe I have a case against both the former company and the HR person for defamation of character. I don't know what to do. I don't really want to sue the company, but the HR person is another story. The reason I believe I have a case; a company who was a client of the company I was working for, when they found out I was fired wanted to hire me. (That same day.) (I did not have any agreement with employer that would prevent me from taking the job.) This person was the regional manager of the dept. I would have been working in. They even gave me detailed instructions on how to apply online & I was told to ignore that the position was posted in IL. I would still be working in AZ. I completed the online application and a day or two later I received an email from the talent acquisition dept. We set up a phone interview, which I completed. Next step was checking my references and you guessed it, I was told that they were looking for someone else, who would better meet their needs. There are probably more potential employers, but I know this one for sure.
Do I have a case? The woman in HR did this maliciously, knowing it wasn't true.
 


cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
You had attendance problems severe enough to be fired two years ago; you have attendance problems now.

That is an attendance problem that covers two years.

Quite frankly, even if your attendance was PERFECT for the intervening time, I'd hesitate about hiring you just based on what you've said here. That's going to make it extremely difficult for you to prevail in any kind of lawsuit.

Do you really have $50,000 (if cheap) and three years (if quick) to waste on a case you have very little likelihood of winning? Better to put that money into a car that runs.
 

baffeledinaz

Junior Member
I do have a new car that runs.
Why isn't HR responsible for putting a flat out lie in my employee file? I did not have an ongoing issue, that is a lie.
 

commentator

Senior Member
In a famous old book, a character says, "I rarely shoot people for telling the truth."

I think you honestly did have an absentee problem. If it happened for a while and then stopped for a while, and then it started happening again during the time you were employed, it was an on going problem. It was not a "flat out lie" to say this.

Why are you so mad at this HR person for telling the truth when asked? You were reprimanded and changed shifts for it. The reasons for an absence, all this stuff about your car breaking down and how far you had to drive each way were just excuses for what was happening. But excuses or not, you were absent a lot while you worked for these people, regardless of the reasons or whether they were excused or unexcused absences or whether they were every week or just in two or three personal situations.

Giving someone a poor reference for something that happens to be very true is not something you could sue someone for, particularly for "defamation of character."

Did you file for unemployment insurance at the time you were terminated? If so, they'd have looked at whether you had warnings, were given adequate knowledge of the attendance policies, and whether you had a valid medical reason to miss work. Things like cars that won't run, how far you are having to drive, whether the bus schedule accommodates your trip to work, these are all considered personal reasons for absence, and it's quite likely you'd not be approved for unemployment if you were terminated for these kinds of absences. And yes, it is very legal to terminate someone, for almost any reason, and to report the reason for termination if another employer calls requesting a reference check.
 
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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I do have a new car that runs.
Why isn't HR responsible for putting a flat out lie in my employee file? I did not have an ongoing issue, that is a lie.

No, it IS an ongoing problem... You don't have to miss every day for it to be an ongoing problem.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
It's not even close to a "flat out lie". It is, in fact, quite true.
 

baffeledinaz

Junior Member
No, it IS an ongoing problem... You don't have to miss every day for it to be an ongoing problem.

I'm not stupid, I know I don't have to miss every day for it to be an on-going problem. Doesn't 'ongoing' mean 'without interruption', I'm pretty sure it does. I would think 2 years is an interruption.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
No, it's still a continuing problem.

And I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one minute that your attendance was perfect during that two year period.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I'm not stupid, I know I don't have to miss every day for it to be an on-going problem. Doesn't 'ongoing' mean 'without interruption', I'm pretty sure it does. I would think 2 years is an interruption.

They don't agree. That makes it a difference of opinion, not a lie.
 

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