Dui

[rannrob]

What is the name of your state? Penn.
I am very surprised at this site it must be made up from Madd. I been reading alot of the threads and answer s that people post on here and notice alot of negative answers. Not every one is a drunk or have a drinking problem just because they got a dui !!! ther are people out there who maybe drink once a year at a wedding or from a death in the family. they get stop with a .08 and are legaly drunk. Now don t get me wrong i don t belive in driving drunk and belive you should pay for it if you are driving drunk.To me it s a big money game and the penalty is way out of control. If the states are so worried about drunk drivers why dont they pass a law where every vehicle has to have the interlock system in the cars ? I think that would solve the whole problem, but nobody will make money (lawyers, the county , the proabation department, the school they make you take) . Then they would'nt be so many death s from drunk drivers.

If you are so lucky to get proabation you have to let them no if you are leaving the county , or staying over night somewhere, even get pass to leave the state you are in. If you want to take the family on vaction you need to get an ok from your p.o. That is just bull, where are our rights , If you want to have a beer so what as long as you don t drive,, it is our buss. Why dose the state sell it if they are so worried about it ? Because they make money from both ends of the deal. Instead of knocking these people that ask for help why not help them just because they got a dui dose not mean they are a bad person. Remeber thay have familys too and they hurt from mistakes too 2 wrongs don t make it right. no wonder ther are no jobs in this country when they throw you in jail for a simple dui for 1 days to 5 years. If you hurt someone well sure you should get more time in the clink , but not just for a ramdom check.

All i ask is think about it and are sorry for familys that had a loss from a drunk driver. but think about their familys too.

 

[nohr4u1yr]

Let me guess...

Let me guess... You have a DUI and are trying to pass the blame on the government, the bars, the cashier at the local 7-11, etc. Instead of taking responsibility for YOUR actions.

I do agree with you - it hurts both families-the family that has an injured or DEAD relative and your family because you acted like a fool and thought "it would never happen to you".

Take charge of your life and responsiblity. No one forces down the liquer.

 

[Happy Trails]

What is the name of your state? Penn.
I am very surprised at this site it must be made up from Madd. I been reading alot of the threads and answer s that people post on here and notice alot of negative answers. Not every one is a drunk or have a drinking problem just because they got a dui !!! ther are people out there who maybe drink once a year at a wedding or from a death in the family. they get stop with a .08 and are legaly drunk. Now don t get me wrong i don t belive in driving drunk and belive you should pay for it if you are driving drunk.To me it s a big money game and the penalty is way out of control. If the states are so worried about drunk drivers why dont they pass a law where every vehicle has to have the interlock system in the cars ? I think that would solve the whole problem, but nobody will make money (lawyers, the county , the proabation department, the school they make you take) . Then they would'nt be so many death s from drunk drivers.

If you are so lucky to get proabation you have to let them no if you are leaving the county , or staying over night somewhere, even get pass to leave the state you are in. If you want to take the family on vaction you need to get an ok from your p.o. That is just bull, where are our rights , If you want to have a beer so what as long as you don t drive,, it is our buss. Why dose the state sell it if they are so worried about it ? Because they make money from both ends of the deal. Instead of knocking these people that ask for help why not help them just because they got a dui dose not mean they are a bad person. Remeber thay have familys too and they hurt from mistakes too 2 wrongs don t make it right. no wonder ther are no jobs in this country when they throw you in jail for a simple dui for 1 days to 5 years. If you hurt someone well sure you should get more time in the clink , but not just for a ramdom check.

All i ask is think about it and are sorry for familys that had a loss from a drunk driver. but think about their familys too.

You think people who are against someone that is 'driving under the influence' are being negative to the poster? Tell me what is positive about it.

You don't believe people should drive drunk. I agree with you there and will add they should'nt drink and drive (PERIOD). What is so hard about that?

You want us to think about the familys that have someone that has been convicted of a DUI. I thought about them and wonder why their own family member would put them through that. (how embarassing for them it must be)

As for the ones that have to follow probation rules, you said yourself they are lucky to be out instead of locked up. Yet you want to whine that they have to follow some rules. (They wouldn't be in this position had they followed the rules from the start, and until they GET that, do you honestly think they will change?)

Teach your children from your mistakes, do not make excuses for making a mistake, people are faced with choices daily, and I hope they make the right one.

Maybe I do sound like I'm associated with MADD (I'm not).
If people would find a designated driver, call a cab, plan on staying put, instead of putting themselves behind the wheel when clearly they have no business being there, than sir we will not have so many deaths associated with drunk drivers.

 

[rannrob]

dui

Let me guess... You have a DUI and are trying to pass the blame on the government, the bars, the cashier at the local 7-11, etc. Instead of taking responsibility for YOUR actions.

I do agree with you - it hurts both families-the family that has an injured or DEAD relative and your family because you acted like a fool and thought "it would never happen to you".

Take charge of your life and responsiblity. No one forces down the liquer.

No Comment on the interlock system or the monies ??????????

 

[rannrob]

You think people who are against someone that is 'driving under the influence' are being negative to the poster? Tell me what is positive about it.

You don't believe people should drive drunk. I agree with you there and will add they should'nt drink and drive (PERIOD). What is so hard about that?

You want us to think about the familys that have someone that has been convicted of a DUI. I thought about them and wonder why their own family member would put them through that. (how embarassing for them it must be)

As for the ones that have to follow probation rules, you said yourself they are lucky to be out instead of locked up. Yet you want to whine that they have to follow some rules. (They wouldn't be in this position had they followed the rules from the start, and until they GET that, do you honestly think they will change?)

Teach your children from your mistakes, do not make excuses for making a mistake, people are faced with choices daily, and I hope they make the right one.

Maybe I do sound like I'm associated with MADD (I'm not).
If people would find a designated driver, call a cab, plan on staying put, instead of putting themselves behind the wheel when clearly they have no business being there, than sir we will not have so many deaths associated with drunk drivers.

No Comment on the interlock system or the monies ??????????

 

[Happy Trails]

No Comment on the interlock system or the monies ??????????

My comment, how much do you think that will cost? Who will be making the money on that?

Do you really feel it necessary everybody needs to be checked if they are sober or not?

The 'monies' being made wouldn't be made, if there weren't people violating the laws.

 

[rannrob]

My comment, how much do you think that will cost? Who will be making the money on that?

Do you really feel it necessary everybody needs to be checked if they are sober or not?

The 'monies' being made wouldn't be made, if there weren't people violating the laws.

Will be cheaper then taxs payers, paying for people in the county jail and most of all there will be no drunk drivers isn t that what you all want !!!

 

[Happy Trails]

Will be cheaper then taxs payers, paying for people in the county jail and most of all there will be no drunk drivers isn t that what you all want !!!

I disagree that it would be cheaper.

As far as no drunk drivers, isn't that what WE all want?

 

[CdwJava]

No Comment on the interlock system or the monies ??????????

If you can get it to pass muster in some state legislature, knock yourself out.

But, even that idea would be expensive ... look at the cost of the devices ... maintenance on the devices ... purchase and installation ... what about old cars? The issues go on and on.

Heck, for that matter, let's put LoJack and GPS in all cars as well!

I think the civil libertarians would go nuts with all of that.

And as for the money? Well, I can't speak for other states, but the cost of DUI enforcement certainly exceeds the return on fines and cost recovery out here ... at least from the point of view of the local agencies.

- carl

 

[CdwJava]

Will be cheaper then taxs payers, paying for people in the county jail and most of all there will be no drunk drivers isn t that what you all want !!!

Heck, if the idea was to prevent drunk drivers, we could also ban alcohol (again). You want that?

I don't drink, but even I think that interlock devices and banning alcohol would be bad ideas.

If you think it a great thing, run the numbers and start a public information campaign! Tells us the cost per unit, the cost to install and maintain/calibrate the devices annually, the time taken to use the devices when starting a vehicle, the number of false starts or negative starts, the results of improperly functioning devices, etc.

When we get the numbers, MAYBE you can convince some of us that mandatory interlock devices are the next big thing.

Until then ... I'll settle for what we have now until we can make the laws tough enough where nobody will WANT to drive drunk.

- Carl

 

[howamidoing]

What is the name of your state? Penn.
I am very surprised at this site it must be made up from Madd. I been reading alot of the threads and answer s that people post on here and notice alot of negative answers. Not every one is a drunk or have a drinking problem just because they got a dui !!! ther are people out there who maybe drink once a year at a wedding or from a death in the family. they get stop with a .08 and are legaly drunk. Now don t get me wrong i don t belive in driving drunk and belive you should pay for it if you are driving drunk.To me it s a big money game and the penalty is way out of control. If the states are so worried about drunk drivers why dont they pass a law where every vehicle has to have the interlock system in the cars ? I think that would solve the whole problem, but nobody will make money (lawyers, the county , the proabation department, the school they make you take) . Then they would'nt be so many death s from drunk drivers.

If you are so lucky to get proabation you have to let them no if you are leaving the county , or staying over night somewhere, even get pass to leave the state you are in. If you want to take the family on vaction you need to get an ok from your p.o. That is just bull, where are our rights , If you want to have a beer so what as long as you don t drive,, it is our buss. Why dose the state sell it if they are so worried about it ? Because they make money from both ends of the deal. Instead of knocking these people that ask for help why not help them just because they got a dui dose not mean they are a bad person. Remeber thay have familys too and they hurt from mistakes too 2 wrongs don t make it right. no wonder ther are no jobs in this country when they throw you in jail for a simple dui for 1 days to 5 years. If you hurt someone well sure you should get more time in the clink , but not just for a ramdom check.

All i ask is think about it and are sorry for familys that had a loss from a drunk driver. but think about their familys too.

Lets hope that someone coming from a wedding who has had 1 beer doesnt get behind the wheel and kill you or your family....Then YOU will be attending a funeral.

 

[fagettaboutit]

Lets hope that someone coming from a wedding who has had 1 beer doesnt get behind the wheel and kill you or your family....Then YOU will be attending a funeral.

Yes, you'd rather be killed by someone who wasn't drinking at all. Then, the death couldn't be considered tragic in your eyes, would it? Sober drivers kill four times more people than people who drink one beer and drive.

What if the person drank one beer within a one hour period? Would that make him a potential killer - more than the person dialing a cell phone or the person who hadn't slept all night but still gets behind the wheel? One beer wouldn't put a 170 lb man over .02. It would take two beers in one hour to put him at .02 (according to your friends at MADD). The same as over-the-counter cough medicine.

So remember that the next time you or a loved one takes some cough medicine, you'll be more dangerous than the man who had ONE beer.

 

[fagettaboutit]

No Comment on the interlock system or the monies ??????????

Some here may believe by getting drunk drivers off the road, we'll all be safer. But the fact is sober drivers kill four times more than drunk drivers. The goal should be roadway safety, period. Interlock devices add to what is already one of the biggest problems of our roadways - distracted drivers. I suggest you do some research on interlock devices and how they are operated while driving. The devices constantly need to be tested while the driver is driving. The last thing we need are drivers being distracted while driving. The end result will still be roadway fatalities.

As for the monies, you hit the nail on the head. DUI is a big money making business. Millions of dollars are spent each year not getting drunk drivers off the road, but anyone who had a drink. Guess what, the programs still aren't working. Lower the BAC didn't work, roadblocks don't work nor are stiffer plenaties. What will work is educating people about the current state of DUI laws, stopping the DUI propaganda and getting real about the problems on our roadway.

Safer roadways should be the ultimate goal.

 

[You Are Guilty]

Yes, you'd rather be killed by someone who wasn't drinking at all. Then, the death couldn't be considered tragic in your eyes, would it? Sober drivers kill four times more people than people who drink one beer and drive.

Here we go again.

Please provide a link to the study which provided those statistics.

 

[Alchohol_Free]

Both Sides

There are merits to both sides of the coin. I agree with Ranrob in that DUI law has gotten a bit out of control. But at the same time, He is whining a little.

Statisticly, over 70% of people with license suspensions drive anyway. Obviously, exorbitant license supensions do not protect the public. Speaking as a former alchohol offender, the public is protected when alchohol offenders stop abusing alchohol. If it only takes a person 1 drink to be impared then they shouldn't drink at all. That's my choice. Dui law should be be built around changing people's drinking habits.

Dui is the most common crime committed in the US. Clearly, current laws are not working to change that. Although, law enforcement here (Washington-Oregon) have had an impact with more aggressive actions toward stopping people. The problem with that is that it opens the door for law enforcement to make up reasons to stop people with or without indications of intoxication. In fact there are several statutes here that require certains actions to be followed by law enforement and they don't do it, and attorneys say "they don't have to. This where DUI law is out of control. Basically, the law only applies if it leads to a conviction. If it leads to an aquittal, there is no law. In other words, DUI law is rigged to guarantee a conviction. It's the only law where it is acceptable for the defendant to have no rights. It's rigged this way to protect the big business of DUI.

So, to stay out of this mess. Don't drink and drive. It's not worth it. And being arrested is very humiliating.