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Employer filed appeal after I was granted unemployment

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mindyanne25

Junior Member
My sons surgery was out of my hands. He needed surgery and he needed my care. Even once I could place him in daycare, they were either all filled and not taking newborns or I just simply couldn't afford them. This is nothing I could control.. It's unfortunate because I wish I could still be employed by them
 


cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Mindy, honey, relax, okay? Appealing is not winning. Many employers appeal benefit approvals. That doesn't mean they're going to succeed. You couldn't be in a better state for this than MA. Obviously I can't carve anything in stone for you but your chances of continuing your benefits are better than they would in just about any other state. I really don't think you need to worry.
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
Thank you so much for the support. It's just making me nervous. Everyone I talked to has told me the same about being in Mass and that they are really for the worker in this state. The lady in HR literally told me not to apply for benefits. I was really upset by that remark. Because then she went on to tell me how good they have been to me because they aren't making me pay back my vacation time I used while on my maternity leave.
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
I have the in-person hearing in another couple weeks. I'm glad it's in person so I can bring some emails and such where they said working part time was fine. Hopefully that will help me. But I'm just nervous about it. I'm not good at talking in front of people. Especially if my employer is going to be there.. I don't know.. I'm not even sure who they will send to the appeal? Do you think it will be the lady I dealt with in HR?
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
I don't think cbg will be able to respond until the morning, but I'm sure she will :)

Try to relax and get some rest tonight. Nothing's going to change before Monday, so it doesn't make sense to sit and stress about something you really can't control anyway. :)
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
It's hard to say who they will send. Many employers use a third party service. Sometimes they go through the motions of appealing but never show up at all.

They do appear to be trying to rattle you, though. I've got news for the lady in HR - in MA, vacation time is considered wages and once earned is yours unconditionally. There are no circumstances where they could make you pay back vacation; there is one, very limited, situation when time you've earned but not used can be lost but for very much the most part, time you've earned belongs to you without question and if you have vacation time, earned but unused, on the books when you leave NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF YOUR LEAVING, they have to pay it to you in dollars. My former employer had to fire a guy for cause once and we could have prosecuted if we'd chosen to, but we still had to pay out his unused vacation. (Did you get yours?) So don't worry about her. She either doesn't know the law or she's trying to scare you.

A question or three for you, and it won't change any of the answers I've given you but it might give me a bit of perspective to work with and also help me answer your who-will-they-send question. How big an employer is this, are they in other states besides MA and if so, which state are they headquartered in?
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
I feel like she was trying to scare me too. But yes I did get my vacation time, however I did have some sick time and personal time that wasn't used up.
I'm not positive about the amount of employees, but they are only in Mass. They have maybe 17 branches if my correct? But that's all together, including the regular credit union branches for banking, the insurance agencies and the real estate agency.
 

commentator

Senior Member
I agree 100% with cbg. And remember this, the unemployment system is NOT your enemy. They have seen both sides of these situations for a long long time. And they are very familiar with employers who lie to employees and misinform them about unemployment totally. If it were up to the employer to make the decisions, NOBODY would ever get approved to draw benefits, because they have to pay more if you do.

And the unemployment system works under the assumption that either you OR the employer may be lying. They're not going to give them more credence than you simply because they are the employer.

You have your story. They have their version of what happened. What will happen in the hearing is that either they, or you, will speak first. If it's them, they will tell the circumstances under which they either terminated you, or as they claim, you quit. You don't say anything while they are talking. If it is you, you speak first and then they will speak. No interruptions, questions, objections, etc. Then the hearing officer will possibly ask both of you, "Do you have any questions for this other party?" You can question them, and they can question you at this point. You answer any question they ask you honestly and clearly. You ask them about anything they've said that was questionable to you.

When you speak, what you do is give a summary of exactly what circumstances led up to your being terminated. Be very definite in stating that you did not quit your job. If you have emails that show this, practice working them into your talk. They'll want copies of these distributed to each person present at the hearing. The hearing officer will take care of this.

Whatever you do, do not write down everything you are going to say and go in and read it off. But do make a little summary of what you will say when they say, (the same questions you were probably asked in the fact finding phase) and practice speaking your part to answer these questions. What happened? Why are you no longer working for this employer?

While you are speaking your former employer's representative will not be able to cross examine you or argue with you. The appeals referee may interrupt or guide the story if they feel you are wandering off topic or if there is something that you haven't covered that they want to know about.

While MA is a great state to be a claimant in, and they are particularly known to be sympathetic to non job related issues, do stay away from a lot of discussion about the daycare places being "too expensive" for you to work full time and put your child in. This could wander into the area of whether or not you are able and available for work right now. That's a personal issue that doesn't need to come up. Unemployment insurance isn't based on need or how poor you are. You could have a very wealthy husband, or a trust fund, and money to pay daycare would never be an issue and you still weren't able to find a good daycare for a newborn on such short notice.

But seriously, write down what you are going to say and get up and practice it. Make very tiny talking points on your hand or a tiny post it note or something to remind yourself. Practice is your friend, just as if you were going to do public speaking. But this isn't public speaking, really. It will be a small hearing, just two or three people present, and you do not have get up and be F. Lee Bailey (gee, I don't know, who's a famous attorney I can use as an example?) But anyhow, they've done thousands of these hearings. It is set up so you do not need to hire an attorney to represent you as long as you are able to speak coherently and reasonably. There is no chance that an attorney will do anything except get you what you might've gotten anyway, and then you'd have to give part of the money to them for doing something you can very well do for yourself, which is tell your story quietly, calmly, briefly and stress the things we have told you to.

The way it happened is the way it happened. Being consistent will be to your favor. Being non argumentative is also good. You don't have to deny or refute everything they say or try to claim about you.

Try to relax and prepare. Be sure you are making the weekly certifications for benefits correctly and are fully registered for and seeking other employment as required. The employer is always allowed to do this second appeal. But you have won the case once and you do not need to change anything, because they are not going to have any new evidence that you quit your job when you didn't. They'll just want to reemphasize something that didn't win before. Good luck to you .
 
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mindyanne25

Junior Member
Thank your for all the help everyone.

So I should basically just stick to the fact that I didn't want to quit and I would still be working for them if they would allow me to? Because that is the honest truth.
I do have some emails from my manager and some texts between my supervisor where they agreed I could work part time if that's what I needed to do. I'll defiantly bring those.
I also have another email I sent to my manager telling him I don't understand what had happened and I would really appreciate the opportunity to stay and if he could contact me to talk about things. He never responded. I know he recieved the email because the lady in HR told me that he forwarded the email to her.
One question unemployment did ask me was if I requested a leave of absence and if not, why not? I simply told them I was never offered that or even aware my company offers anything like that. But it basically came down to, that I could work and we never set a date for my return full time.
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
I just attended my hearing. I wasn't able to say much because the hearing officer just asked us a few questions. But one thing my former employer say was that I wasn't able to work any hours. I told them I was available. Then they said it wasn't in the budget to keep me part time. Hopefully that will benefit me since they clearly lies when saying I wasn't available to work at all. I told the judge I don't have a daycare yet as I couldn't find one with openings for a newborn but I do have childcare available to me which will allow me to work until I do get him a daycare. I hope everything goes well! I'm nervous!
 

commentator

Senior Member
Sounds like it went well for you. Thanks for letting us know, come back and let us know what the outcome is, you should hear pretty soon.
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
Thank you! I will let you know how it turns out. I just wish they had let us talk more. I wanted to say more. The hearing officer just asked us a few questions and that was basically it. But I'm guessing that's because they already know my story from the first time around? Either way, I hope it stays in my favor! The HR lady is a piece of work. She was bringing up things that I didn't see as relevant. She brought up my sons childcare and said she thought he wasn't in daycare because he didn't have his vaccines? I have no idea where she came up with that or why that's even part of the issue. I simply said she does have his vaccinations and the only reason he is not in daycare because I have not been able to find one. Regardless of all that, I was available to work part time which I thought we agreed upon. When I asked her about how they came up with the date for me to return full time or I would lose my job, she said we talked on the phone. I told her we only agreed to me working part time and were supposed to have a meeting after that to discuss the details which never happened and she had nothing to say.
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
Update!

Hello again!
I just logged onto my unemployment account online. The status says determined, when I click on the case it shows that originally I was eligible. Under that, it says "appeal disposition - affirm." It also says my case is active.

Not to sure, does this mean I won? It's allowing me to claim my paychecks
 

mindyanne25

Junior Member
Thanks for all the help! So I just recieved the letter today in my inbox for unemployment online and I did win the hearing! I'm very happy, after everything my previous employer put me through, at least something was in my favor!
 

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