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Ex has recruited 11 yr. old as her spy

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2Mistakes

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What is the name of your state? MS

Good evening. I came across an interesting piece of info this evening, and I'm not quite sure what to do with it, or even if I can or should do anything with it.

Brief recap. I have custody of mine and my ex-wife's 3 children. I recently filed a complaint to increase child support, she was served April 16th and started talking smack about filing for custody.

The kids were with her this weekend. Last night, my wife and I were in our bedroom with the door closed, comparing health insurance plans that we can chose from. I thought I saw a shadow under the door, so I opened the door, and my 11 year old daughter had her ear up to the door. I didn't really make much of it, just told her that we don't do that.

Today, my wife and I had a family meeting to go over some things with the kids. We are going to be moving into our new house soon, and my wife was hired at a full-time job today and starts next week. Up until now, my wife has stayed at home, and as such, did all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. Now that she will be working full-time, me and the kids need to help out around the house more, so we sat down to talk about, assign duties, etc.

My wife has been washing, folding, and putting away everyone's laundry, but now that she will be working full-time, she and I decided that the 2 older girls (14 and 11) can be responsible for folding and putting away their own laundry. My wife will still wash and dry it, but each girl will have a "clean clothes basket" and when it is given to them, they need to fold and put away their clothes.

So, we explain to them that that is how it is going to work from now on. The 11 year old starts whining that she doesn't want to put away her clothes. Then she says, "If you start making me do my own laundry, I'm gonna tell mom so she can use it for the custody thing." :eek:

My jaw dropped, and I had to walk away before I said something I couldn't take back. I stepped out back to cool off, and my 14 year old came out there and said she needed to talk to me.

She told me that over the weekend, her mom talked to them, and told them that I had filed in court against her and "was dragging her through the mud, and she was filing to get custody." My daughter then said that their mom told them that they needed to help her, and tell her everything that goes on in our house so that she can use it in the custody thing so that they can come live with her. She (older daughter) told me that she told her mom that she wants no part of it, and her mom said, "That's ok, you'll be my little spy, won't you, (younger daughter)?" Younger daughter said sure. She thinks its exciting, and it's no secret that if given the choice she would go live with her mom.

So now I am confounded. If my ex files for custody, I feel that the judge needs to know what she is doing, and that she is involving the kids.

But how do I get this in? Short of my older daughter talking to the judge and telling him all of this, I have no proof.

My older daughter told me that she is sick of her mom putting them in the middle and wants to talk to the judge, but I don't want that. She doesn't need to be involved.

What do I do?
 


2Mistakes

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That, my dear friend is EXACTLY what a Guardian ad Litem is for. EXACTLY.

Ya know, that never even crossed my mind. I guess I'm so pissed at her right now that I'm not thinking straight.

OK, so if/when she files her Counter-complaint for Custody Modification, I know I'll file an answer. And then I file a Motion to Appoint GAL?

Once the Gal is appointed, I assume I will meet with him/her. Do I inform the GAL of what my older daughter told me? So that he/she knows to talk to the kids about it? Or do I not mention anything and hope that the kids tell the GAL?

Sorry for so many questions, but I've never dealt with a GAL.
 

janM

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Not to get off-topic here, but my 2 kids washed their clothes as soon as they could reach the knobs on the washer and dryer.

I think if mom tried to tell the judge that you were abusing the girl by making her do laundry, he'd laugh her out of the courtroom.

If you have nothing to hide, the "spy" won't have anything to take back to mom. Nothing worthwhile, anyway. Shame on mom for involving them. Kudos to your oldest for not wanting to get involved.
 

2Mistakes

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And the reason I asked if I should tell the GAL what the kids said is because I don't want to look to the GAL like I'm trying to sling mud. I'm not. But this concerns me greatly.

I also don't want the GAL to think that I am the one putting the kids in the middle. I didn't discuss any of this with them. I came across this info innocently.
 

2Mistakes

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Not to get off-topic here, but my 2 kids washed their clothes as soon as they could reach the knobs on the washer and dryer.

I think if mom tried to tell the judge that you were abusing the girl by making her do laundry, he'd laugh her out of the courtroom.

If you have nothing to hide, the "spy" won't have anything to take back to mom. Nothing worthwhile, anyway. Shame on mom for involving them. Kudos to your oldest for not wanting to get involved.

I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hide, and kinda find it funny that she has recruited a "spy." If she thinks she's gonna get some dirt, she is sadly mistaken.

As far as the kids washing and drying their own clothes, my wife is a tad anal about her new washer and dryer. She just got one of those new LG things that does all kind of stuff. NO ONE is allowed near it. LOL :)
 

janM

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As far as the kids washing and drying their own clothes, my wife is a tad anal about her new washer and dryer. She just got one of those new LG things that does all kind of stuff. NO ONE is allowed near it. LOL :)

AAAAhhhhhh....'nuff said! LOL!
 

CJane

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Definitely tell the GAL what your child told you. It's not about slinging mud, it's about being upfront about the issues that the children are facing and giving her the tools she needs to do her job effectively.

I met with my kids' GAL a few times before she ever met with the kids. She made it VERY clear to myself and my husband that she was available to all of us whenever we felt we needed to speak with her about something.

She even gave the kids a business card and told them to call her any time - as long as they weren't going to ask her to do their homework. ;)
 

2Mistakes

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Definitely tell the GAL what your child told you. It's not about slinging mud, it's about being upfront about the issues that the children are facing and giving her the tools she needs to do her job effectively.

I met with my kids' GAL a few times before she ever met with the kids. She made it VERY clear to myself and my husband that she was available to all of us whenever we felt we needed to speak with her about something.

She even gave the kids a business card and told them to call her any time - as long as they weren't going to ask her to do their homework. ;)

Thank you. I feel so much better. I wasn't sure what is "allowed" when dealing with a GAL.

I've never had any dealings with a GAL. My wife did during her divorce almost 7 years ago, and their GAL was awsome, from what she's told me. He was able to make her and her ex see how stupid they were both being, and they were able to sit down, discuss everything, and come to an agreement outside of court, which both of their attorneys presented to the judge and he signed.

I wonder if it's possible to request a specific GAL be assigned? I would love to have this guy appointed, not because I think he would be biased toward my wife (I doubt he would even remember her . . . it was alomost 7 years ago), but because he has a reputation for being very fair, and takes his responsibility to the kids very serious.
 

Zephyr

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I agree with the thing about the GAL.....otherwise, because I know my ex does the same.....um, not legal advice, but misinformation sure is fun;)
 

2Mistakes

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I agree with the thing about the GAL.....otherwise, because I know my ex does the same.....um, not legal advice, but misinformation sure is fun;)

LOL! That could be fun.

Another thing my older daughter told me is that mom asked "spy daughter" :p to keep a journal of what time I get home from work each day and tell her.

She knows that I've just started my own business, and I think she thinks she's going to say that there is a change in circumstance in that with the new business I'm never home and the kids are always with their step-mom.

Which isn't true. My business started on 4/1/08. Since that date, there has been one evening that I didn't get home until 8:00 p.m. That was because we were installing the equipment in the shop and it didn't quite go as planned. Most days, I get home between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m., so I don't think this will be a problem.

But there are occassionally times that I have to work later. Will that hurt me? There are also times that I'm home by 2:00 in the afternoon. So it balances out and I'm working no more than about 45 hours per week.

Just because I've started a new business doesn't mean that there is a change in circumstance to change custody, does it?
 

CJane

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LOL! That could be fun.

Another thing my older daughter told me is that mom asked "spy daughter" :p to keep a journal of what time I get home from work each day and tell her.

She knows that I've just started my own business, and I think she thinks she's going to say that there is a change in circumstance in that with the new business I'm never home and the kids are always with their step-mom.

Which isn't true. My business started on 4/1/08. Since that date, there has been one evening that I didn't get home until 8:00 p.m. That was because we were installing the equipment in the shop and it didn't quite go as planned. Most days, I get home between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m., so I don't think this will be a problem.

But there are occassionally times that I have to work later. Will that hurt me? There are also times that I'm home by 2:00 in the afternoon. So it balances out and I'm working no more than about 45 hours per week.

Just because I've started a new business doesn't mean that there is a change in circumstance to change custody, does it?

No.

Now stop it before you give yourself an ulcer.

My ex and his wife are masters at the whole 'spying' thing. My 8 year old was even mysteriously uber interested in what my checking account number was, and if I was pledging money to jump rope for heart or something, she was VERY sure to ask for a check instead of cash. Craziness, I tell you.

But ya know what? It's useless information. How many times do you think your ex is going to want to hear "Daddy was home at 5. We ate all ate dinner together and then he helped me with my homework. Later him and Stepmommy were talking about finding better health insurance for all of us."

No offense, but it's not like your life is exciting. :D
 

2Mistakes

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No.

Now stop it before you give yourself an ulcer.

My ex and his wife are masters at the whole 'spying' thing. My 8 year old was even mysteriously uber interested in what my checking account number was, and if I was pledging money to jump rope for heart or something, she was VERY sure to ask for a check instead of cash. Craziness, I tell you.

But ya know what? It's useless information. How many times do you think your ex is going to want to hear "Daddy was home at 5. We ate all ate dinner together and then he helped me with my homework. Later him and Stepmommy were talking about finding better health insurance for all of us."

No offense, but it's not like your life is exciting. :D

LOL! No ulcers yet, but I have had to start on meds for high blood pressure. You women, I tell ya! :p

And when ex stays under her rock, my life isn't very exciting. But when she crawls out from under her troll bridge, there's no telling what could happen!
 

CourtClerk

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So, we explain to them that that is how it is going to work from now on. The 11 year old starts whining that she doesn't want to put away her clothes. Then she says, "If you start making me do my own laundry, I'm gonna tell mom so she can use it for the custody thing." :eek:

Is it just me or would anyone else just handed DD the phone and said... "call her right now and tell her. I want you to."

Then I would have..... oh wait, OG is a GAL AND an attorney. She'd put me away for that. I'll keep that next reaction right in my house. It would be quite painful for that kid;)
 
*spying* lol

when we lived in KY for 6 mos b4 coming to h'town, my fiance's ex thought she'd do the spying thing! it totally backfired on her, b/c she'd hear *fun* stuff (we took care of our issues when she was not at our house and being we're both *divorced* kids we didnt want her involved she was 5 then)....but it backfired b/c rather than go to mommy or daddy and tell either anything, my fiance did alot of work at his parents on the weekends so she and i spent the days together, and man i learned soooooooooo much sh*t about "mommy dearest"......oh if my car came with a recorder vs. speakers! i've only mentioned 2 things she ever told me b/c they were very adult issues a 5 y/o should have no knowledge about, but wow it made us closer as she knew i wouldnt tell, and she didnt have to feel she way *telling* on anyone, or being punished for telling or not telling the other parent.....

sry it's not relevant but i thought i'd mention it.....

when it came to "chores" i started washing dishes when i could stand over the sink, laundry when i could "measure" the powder, trash when i could carry it, and i put away my own laundry....i was around 10 when all this started!!! of course in the summers it was easier my lil brother got trash and clothes drying then!!!

and the washer thing, i get one of those when we buy our house this fall, and i DARE him to try and do his own laundry then! or anyone for that matter
 
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