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What is the name of your state? California.

My parents divorced in 1987 after 25 years marriage. In my mother's divorce papers it stated that she is to receive Family support for herself and my brother who was 13 at the time. Any modification is at the discretion of the cout. My brother is now an adult (34yrs old). My dad had kept paying the same amount all these years up until Jan 2004. He stopped paying altogether a few months ago. He's retired, although I do know he has at least 5 rental properties that he's netting $10,000 monthly income from that. He's got cars, boats, cash, etc..... He was paying my mother $5000 per month.

I understand that he can go and get his support payments modified, which he hasn't, and my mother can get it modified as well. My questions are:

An attorney friend of mine said that these days most judges don't allow "lifetime" support, until she dies or remarries...This person said that if my dad went to court to get the family support removed, he would win, cause he's been paying it for almost 20 years, with no modifiation downward when my brother turned 18. 1). Well, isn't that my dad's problem, that he never seeked a reduction/modification?? My parents were 50-something when they divorced. My parents are immigrants from Europe, so my mom/dad don't have any formal US education. My parents had a family business and my mother worked, worked, sweated and sweated to make it what was up until he sold it last year.
2.) Does my mother have any chance of being awarded the 2 years of arrears that my dad hasn't paid. 3). If her income is substantially less, are her chances good to get some monthly amount from him through the courts. Her only income is SSecurity and interest on savings totalling $1300 monthly. She's not asking for the same monthly amount, but wants a judge to decide what's fair.

Any inputs...thanks.
 


LdiJ

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dannysmyboy said:
What is the name of your state? California.

My parents divorced in 1987 after 25 years marriage. In my mother's divorce papers it stated that she is to receive Family support for herself and my brother who was 13 at the time. Any modification is at the discretion of the cout. My brother is now an adult (34yrs old). My dad had kept paying the same amount all these years up until Jan 2004. He stopped paying altogether a few months ago. He's retired, although I do know he has at least 5 rental properties that he's netting $10,000 monthly income from that. He's got cars, boats, cash, etc..... He was paying my mother $5000 per month.

I understand that he can go and get his support payments modified, which he hasn't, and my mother can get it modified as well. My questions are:

An attorney friend of mine said that these days most judges don't allow "lifetime" support, until she dies or remarries...This person said that if my dad went to court to get the family support removed, he would win, cause he's been paying it for almost 20 years, with no modifiation downward when my brother turned 18. 1). Well, isn't that my dad's problem, that he never seeked a reduction/modification?? My parents were 50-something when they divorced. My parents are immigrants from Europe, so my mom/dad don't have any formal US education. My parents had a family business and my mother worked, worked, sweated and sweated to make it what was up until he sold it last year.
2.) Does my mother have any chance of being awarded the 2 years of arrears that my dad hasn't paid. 3). If her income is substantially less, are her chances good to get some monthly amount from him through the courts. Her only income is SSecurity and interest on savings totalling $1300 monthly. She's not asking for the same monthly amount, but wants a judge to decide what's fair.

Any inputs...thanks.

Help your mom get an attorney. Your dad is in contempt of court for stopping the payments without filing for a modification. Your mother can certainly get the arrearages. Its also not true that lifetime alimony isn't possible, particularly in a case like your mother's.
 
LdiJ said:
Help your mom get an attorney. Your dad is in contempt of court for stopping the payments without filing for a modification. Your mother can certainly get the arrearages. Its also not true that lifetime alimony isn't possible, particularly in a case like your mother's.


Thank you and definitely will do. One other note...my mother was awarded the family home and was my dad ordered to sign (get notarized) the Interspousal Transfer Deed. Well that was 3 requests (2 letters from my mom's former attorney) and 1 hand-delivered equest from me. He has yet to sign it after 20 years.

So an "new" attorney is in the future. I told my mom, she should bitch at her previous attorney for not following up on the transfer deed manner. She did pay for that service and the attorney dropped the ball..
 

LdiJ

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dannysmyboy said:
Thank you and definitely will do. One other note...my mother was awarded the family home and was my dad ordered to sign (get notarized) the Interspousal Transfer Deed. Well that was 3 requests (2 letters from my mom's former attorney) and 1 hand-delivered equest from me. He has yet to sign it after 20 years.

So an "new" attorney is in the future. I told my mom, she should bitch at her previous attorney for not following up on the transfer deed manner. She did pay for that service and the attorney dropped the ball..

No kidding that a new attorney is in order. However, after 20 years there is no point in even contacting your mother's previous attorney. The attorney won't even remember who she is and any statute of limitations for action is long past.
 

Bali Hai

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LdiJ said:
Help your mom get an attorney. Your dad is in contempt of court for stopping the payments without filing for a modification. Your mother can certainly get the arrearages. Its also not true that lifetime alimony isn't possible, particularly in a case like your mother's.

This is one of those cases where the man has to literally pay out the nose until he dies in your opinion mom?

$1,200,000 paid out by him over the last 20 years just isn't good enough in this particular case??
 

Bali Hai

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dannysmyboy said:
Thank you and definitely will do. One other note...my mother was awarded the family home and was my dad ordered to sign (get notarized) the Interspousal Transfer Deed. Well that was 3 requests (2 letters from my mom's former attorney) and 1 hand-delivered equest from me. He has yet to sign it after 20 years.

So an "new" attorney is in the future. I told my mom, she should bitch at her previous attorney for not following up on the transfer deed manner. She did pay for that service and the attorney dropped the ball..


Horsesh!t! Your FATHER paid for that service!
 

Bali Hai

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dannysmyboy said:
What is the name of your state? California.

My parents divorced in 1987 after 25 years marriage. In my mother's divorce papers it stated that she is to receive Family support for herself and my brother who was 13 at the time. Any modification is at the discretion of the cout. My brother is now an adult (34yrs old). My dad had kept paying the same amount all these years up until Jan 2004. He stopped paying altogether a few months ago. He's retired, although I do know he has at least 5 rental properties that he's netting $10,000 monthly income from that. He's got cars, boats, cash, etc..... He was paying my mother $5000 per month.

I understand that he can go and get his support payments modified, which he hasn't, and my mother can get it modified as well. My questions are:

An attorney friend of mine said that these days most judges don't allow "lifetime" support, until she dies or remarries...This person said that if my dad went to court to get the family support removed, he would win, cause he's been paying it for almost 20 years, with no modifiation downward when my brother turned 18. 1). Well, isn't that my dad's problem, that he never seeked a reduction/modification?? My parents were 50-something when they divorced. My parents are immigrants from Europe, so my mom/dad don't have any formal US education. My parents had a family business and my mother worked, worked, sweated and sweated to make it what was up until he sold it last year.
2.) Does my mother have any chance of being awarded the 2 years of arrears that my dad hasn't paid. 3). If her income is substantially less, are her chances good to get some monthly amount from him through the courts. Her only income is SSecurity and interest on savings totalling $1300 monthly. She's not asking for the same monthly amount, but wants a judge to decide what's fair.

Any inputs...thanks.

Your mother found the "American Dream".

Your father found the opposite.
 
I have to agree with Bali here...With the amount of income she received she should have no bills, a great little savings put away.
 

Bali Hai

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Ithildriel said:
I have to agree with Bali here...With the amount of income she received she should have no bills, a great little savings put away.

Absolutely!

And of course we know why the poor woman doesn't have any savings?.....She gave it all to her lazy, ungrateful, snot nosed kids thru the years who didn't appreciate anything that was given to them and they pissed that money away like water.

We are hearing from one of them right now.
 
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LdiJ

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Since we don't know the overall financial situation of either party, nor the obligations of either party, (or what they were at the time of divorce or during the past 20 years) its not valid to make judgements based on the fact that 5k a month sounds like a lot of money.

They were married for 25 years and yes, that often does mean lifetime alimony. She has to be at least 65-70 now, and obviously not in any position to supplement her meager income. Dad is in contempt.

Certainly the order can and should be modified.
 

nextwife

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dannysmyboy said:
My brother is now an adult (34yrs old). My dad had kept paying the same amount all these years up until Jan 2004. He stopped paying altogether a few months ago. He's retired,


So Mom, in essence had been recieving CS for 16 years PAST the child's majority?

Any assets that he acquired AFTER the marriage are irreleveant.
 

ceara19

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LdiJ said:
Since we don't know the overall financial situation of either party, nor the obligations of either party, (or what they were at the time of divorce or during the past 20 years) its not valid to make judgements based on the fact that 5k a month sounds like a lot of money.

They were married for 25 years and yes, that often does mean lifetime alimony. She has to be at least 65-70 now, and obviously not in any position to supplement her meager income. Dad is in contempt.

Certainly the order can and should be modified.

She probably is at an age at which it will be almost impossible to support herself NOW. But that's no excuse for her not to have gotten any type "formal american education" at some point in the last 20 YEARS! What is she going to do when her exhusband DIES?
 

BelizeBreeze

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People, go back and re-read the original post.

The poster's father did nothing 16 years ago to amend the order. He sold his business recently and is living off interest and SSI.

If mom finds a competent attorney dad will not only be paying the original sum but may also have to share the proceeds from the sale of the business.

Dad is screwing himself on this one.
 

Bali Hai

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ceara19 said:
She probably is at an age at which it will be almost impossible to support herself NOW. But that's no excuse for her not to have gotten any type "formal american education" at some point in the last 20 YEARS! What is she going to do when her exhusband DIES?


Run to the court of course to get the necessary help to steal the rest of the money from Dads present wife. (if he has one)
 

Bali Hai

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LdiJ said:
Since we don't know the overall financial situation of either party, nor the obligations of either party, (or what they were at the time of divorce or during the past 20 years) its not valid to make judgements based on the fact that 5k a month sounds like a lot of money.
They were married for 25 years and yes, that often does mean lifetime alimony. She has to be at least 65-70 now, and obviously not in any position to supplement her meager income. Dad is in contempt.

Certainly the order can and should be modified.

5k per month isn't much when it's FREE.

When you have to work your @ss off to get that money is when it becomes substantial.
 
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