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Forced to Lie
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Yes.
Whether or not you have any legal protection depends upon whether the lie constitues a violation of the law. For example, if you are being told you must sign a required document that contains false information regarding recorable occupational injuries as defined by OSHA, then that would be a public policy violation and a violation of OSHA statues as well.
Since you are saying that you "believe" this sentence to be a lie, I have a feeling this is more a matter of interpretation of something rather than a flat-out falsification of factual information and that there are no statutory issues here. Without knowing exactly what the issue is however, it's impossible to comment further.
Whether or not you have any legal protection depends upon whether the lie constitues a violation of the law. For example, if you are being told you must sign a required document that contains false information regarding recorable occupational injuries as defined by OSHA, then that would be a public policy violation and a violation of OSHA statues as well.
Since you are saying that you "believe" this sentence to be a lie, I have a feeling this is more a matter of interpretation of something rather than a flat-out falsification of factual information and that there are no statutory issues here. Without knowing exactly what the issue is however, it's impossible to comment further.
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hexeliebe
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In other words, based solely on what you posted, who the hell knows?
Of course, if you'd like to elaborate I'm sure beth would undo her bun and get right down to serious.
Of course, if you'd like to elaborate I'm sure beth would undo her bun and get right down to serious.
No, it is not a matter of stating a lie about something illegal. This is just one incident in a long series of singling out and harrassing me. He knows that I am going to be filing a grievance against him. By signing this statement, it would give him "proof" that I agreed with him. I don't want to be insubordinate. Could I request that he sign a document stating that he is aware that I disagree with statement?
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hexeliebe
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Listen Jstreet, either way you go you're going to lose. If I were in your situation I would simply tell the boss that you need time to digest the document and that you will get back to him in an hour or so. Go somewhere over lunch and copy the document then return and give it back to the boss, telling him you have thought about it and can't in good conscience sign such a document.
But I would word it a bit differently. Like "PISS OFF!"
Listen Jstreet, either way you go you're going to lose. If I were in your situation I would simply tell the boss that you need time to digest the document and that you will get back to him in an hour or so. Go somewhere over lunch and copy the document then return and give it back to the boss, telling him you have thought about it and can't in good conscience sign such a document.
But I would word it a bit differently. Like "PISS OFF!"
Okay, there are many things going on here. I am being singled out and harassed and the superintendent is willing to do anything to hurt me, even it means hurting the kids to do it. I am going to narrow it down to this particular incident, since I could go on for days about all that has happened.
I am an advisor in a school district. The student organization that I advise receives the profits from certain pop & juice machines. For the past 13 years the organization has been in charge of filling these machines, taking care of minor repairs, and turning the money over to the district office. Last year a new superintendent came in, decided that the kids couldn’t be trusted to fill the machines, and only district staff could take the money out (previously I with a student rep. would do this). Also I feel that I need to mention that there were never any incidents that would cause any concern. This was a decision made “out of the blue”. Well after a few months of spending all their time fixing money jams, refunding money, and collecting revenues, they realized that they had taken on more than they could chew. So now they have called the pop vendor to take over the care of the machines which will not only cut our profit from 40% down to 20%, it will also decrease revenues since the pop vendor will only be filling the machines once a week rather than the two to three times that we did.
Looking at out budget and realizing that we were going to have to make cuts on future events with the reduction in funding, we sent a notice informing the staff that until we could regroup, that the annual “staff breakfast” was on hold. The superintendent is now demanding that I send out another email stating that there was “no budget cut” even though we have the numbers and facts to prove that there was.
I am an advisor in a school district. The student organization that I advise receives the profits from certain pop & juice machines. For the past 13 years the organization has been in charge of filling these machines, taking care of minor repairs, and turning the money over to the district office. Last year a new superintendent came in, decided that the kids couldn’t be trusted to fill the machines, and only district staff could take the money out (previously I with a student rep. would do this). Also I feel that I need to mention that there were never any incidents that would cause any concern. This was a decision made “out of the blue”. Well after a few months of spending all their time fixing money jams, refunding money, and collecting revenues, they realized that they had taken on more than they could chew. So now they have called the pop vendor to take over the care of the machines which will not only cut our profit from 40% down to 20%, it will also decrease revenues since the pop vendor will only be filling the machines once a week rather than the two to three times that we did.
Looking at out budget and realizing that we were going to have to make cuts on future events with the reduction in funding, we sent a notice informing the staff that until we could regroup, that the annual “staff breakfast” was on hold. The superintendent is now demanding that I send out another email stating that there was “no budget cut” even though we have the numbers and facts to prove that there was.
Nothing you have shared remotely suggests you are being harassed in the prohibited, illegal meaning of the term.
As to the rest, the superintendent is the boss and he has the perogative to make decisions you don't agree with, even if they're poor decisions. I can see why you're irritated that he "fixed" something that wasn't broken, thereby reducing revenues and increasing costs but I have to tell you that getting into a pissing-match with the boss over pop and juice machines is not something I'd risk my job or career over.
As to the e-mail he wants you to send, you have no legal protections if there are repercussions if you refuse. Refusing a direct order from a superior is insubordation, provided the order doesn't imperil anyone's safety or violate any laws.
As to the rest, the superintendent is the boss and he has the perogative to make decisions you don't agree with, even if they're poor decisions. I can see why you're irritated that he "fixed" something that wasn't broken, thereby reducing revenues and increasing costs but I have to tell you that getting into a pissing-match with the boss over pop and juice machines is not something I'd risk my job or career over.
As to the e-mail he wants you to send, you have no legal protections if there are repercussions if you refuse. Refusing a direct order from a superior is insubordation, provided the order doesn't imperil anyone's safety or violate any laws.
I agree that the incident that I told you about in itself only shows something that I disagree with, not harassment. The harassment that I have mentioned, is a series of incidents that single me out as an employee, a person, and a professional, as well as sexual harassment to my wife (who is also an employee). I was trying to be specific, so I could figure out my rights as far as writing the letter.
Since I have in writing his request to put those specific words, I think I will write a letter of my own stating that in order to not be insubordinate I am writing what was requested, even though I believe the statement to be false. I will then leave that letter with my union rep. Then I will have it as proof that I disagreed witht he statement, if need be in the future.
Since I have in writing his request to put those specific words, I think I will write a letter of my own stating that in order to not be insubordinate I am writing what was requested, even though I believe the statement to be false. I will then leave that letter with my union rep. Then I will have it as proof that I disagreed witht he statement, if need be in the future.
"The harassment that I have mentioned, is a series of incidents that single me out as an employee, a person, and a professional" Again, that is not harassment in the illegal meaning of the term. The boss being a jerk - no matter how often it happens - does not constitute prohibited harassment.
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hexeliebe
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I have to agree. And I've been a jerk most of my life.
If you want a definition of Illegal Harrassement, wait until everyone else leaves this forum and then watch what I suggest Beth do with that BeeHive and the Pencil
If you want a definition of Illegal Harrassement, wait until everyone else leaves this forum and then watch what I suggest Beth do with that BeeHive and the Pencil
