Getting out of Deployment

[Crazed98]

In my first post I did use the word legally

Nobody is born with perfect teeth so everyone has a reason to get braces

I did think about joining rotc or the NG OCS which takes 3 yrs to complete but you have to sign a contract for 8 years I believe and I don't know how hard that is to get out of.

Thanks for your advice fozzy yours has been the most helpful so far.


JETX on the other hand you should read what people write a little better before you start talking .

I did join NG to go to school but I did say you can't really get education while deployed.

I never said the NG hasn't been deployed I said the NJNG hasn't been deployed but if I am wrong and there were NJNG deployed after WWII thats on me.

I believe Snipes only called me a stupid coward because he thought I was being a whimp about going to war which I am obviously not since I'm away at war right now I just feel my time would better be used going to school and gaining an education than coming back here again for a bunch of polititions I don't agree with.

 

[Snipes5]

The "polititions" you don't approve of are some of the same ones who gave you the benefits you've now decided are not worth their price.

I called you a coward because you signed a contract, and now that the government is wanting you to fulfill your obligation, you're trying to find a way out of it.

You really should try to get that education. You need to learn to spell.

 

[Hoot1984]

you could move away

first of all, i'm disgusted by the fact that you want to weasle out of deploying..... why join in the first place? oh yeah, the bonus and college money, right? well those things aren't free, time to earn your pay.

i've heard guys in my unit (i serve in the guard as well) say you can always move and switch units. i'm pretty sure the guard can not stop you from moving. and when you do, just switch to the closest unit, hopefully one thats not scheduled for a deployment.

in my opinion you go do what you signed up for.

 

[SDDubb]

Of all the posts, this one disturbs me quite a bit. I cannot believe half of what has been posted here. It is disheartening. To the man trying to get out "legally" for a war or politicians he doesn't believe in, the best I can say is what everyone has been telling you. Man-up and fulfill the committment that YOU CHOOSE. Sure we all have regrets, make mistakes and don't always want to be doing what we are at the present time. Yet we do them because we are honorable and understand committment. (Remember that most of us are veterans on here.) The benefits, or questionable lack thereof, is relative. No matter if you only joined for education, you knew that they came with a price tag. To lead anyone on here to believe that you were mislead by these benefits with no idea of that price tag attached is hard to swallow. I am hearing you suggest that you are a victim of some sorts, but it is only of your own actions, sir. Stop rationalizing. As Dave Ramsey says, "You shot it Tarzan, now you have to eat it." I personally see that you joined for purely selfish reasons. Additionally, if you truly didn't think of the real possibility of being mobilized happening and weren't ready to accept that when you joined, then you are probably undeserving of a college education because you are ignorant. Please, don't lower the integrity and value of my bachelor's degree. However, I don't believe this to be the case at all. I believe you are smart and that you are only rationalizing your position - But only fooling yourself. Do your job. If you are unhappy, so what...who isn't over there. I understand some people realize the military isn't for them. Talk to your chaplain and consider the possibility of being a "conscientious objector." You may have an avenue to get out that way. I personally would never be able to look at myself in the mirror, and suspect that you would regret it too. Also try this site, www.objector.org I hope you choose the right path sport.

 

[SDDubb]

Yeah but you know...You can talk to some people about what's right until you are blue in the face...but you'll only end up with a blue face!

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Yeah but you know...You can talk to some people about what's right until you are blue in the face...but you'll only end up with a blue face!

Then why do you condone his behavior, by suggestion he apply as a "conscientious objector" when you state it was for selfish reasons, this is no "conscientious objector" they will be equally disgusted?

 

[Crazed98]

I don't really see how I am being selfish.

I did want to join a branch of service but also wanted to go to school at the same time so I joined the Gaurd I knew there was a slim posibility that I could be deployed but when I was informed on everything it seemed almost impossible that it would happen.

But I was deployed and I had to stop college and so I'm here in Iraq.

Now I find out that we will be redeploying in 3-4 years.

That is not what I signed up for, if I wanted to be active I would have joined the Regular Army.

The goverment is taking advantage of its soldiers. There are navy and air force personel over here that are put in combat situations without the proper training and most of them have non combative jobs. Many have died because of this.

Why else do you think the military has been missing its recruiting goals for the past couple of months; and since they aren't getting enough recruits they are calling people back to the military who have been out for years past their Inactive Reserve dates and putting them at stop loss. Basically meaning they will get out of the military when the military is done using them.

Most of the people who are on stop loss can't even get promoted because their ETS date is indefinate.

I did think of doing that Hoot but a lot of the units are deploying or redeploying and its hard to find out which ones are staying.

No I am not a conscientious objector if I was I wouldn't have joined the military. But, even thought that is a way out it is almost impossible to get I forgot the stats but it was like 3000 of the people who said they were conscientious objectors only about 50 were deemed real conscientious objectors and the proccess could take a year or more.

And Snipes yes I did spell politicians wrong and I am trying to get that education. But you should work on your grammer before correcting me.
I believe, "You need to learn HOW to spell" sounds much better than, "You need to learn to spell".

 

[JETX]

I don't really see how I am being selfish.

Let me help you see....
You wanted to go to college, but didn't have the money. You decided to borrow the money from me (and all the other taxpayers) and in return, you PROMISED to provide specific services for a specific period of time. You took advantage of the money.... then when time came to do as you promised.... you refuse. Understand??

I did want to join a branch of service but also wanted to go to school at the same time so I joined the Gaurd I knew there was a slim posibility that I could be deployed but when I was informed on everything it seemed almost impossible that it would happen.

So, you gambled and lost. Does that mean you don't have to 'pay the fiddler'?? Of course not.

But I was deployed and I had to stop college and so I'm here in Iraq.

Good. Thank you for your service.

Now I find out that we will be redeploying in 3-4 years.

Okay. And still a part of your original 'deal'.

That is not what I signed up for, if I wanted to be active I would have joined the Regular Army.

You signed up with the full knowledge that what is happening COULD happen. You just gambled, and lost, that it wouldn't.

The rest of your post is just rambling.... and yes, I agree, we (all of us) sometimes do not appreciate enough the sacrifice that our military and their family's are making. However, that does NOT mean that you get to wave the white flag and say 'Ollie oxen free'.

 

[Mafiabunny]

So I thought about the reserves but there were hardly any educational benifits there but the NJNG had some decent educational benifits.

The NG is supposed to be used for state emergencies but since some people such as Bush feel we need to "spread freedom to the dark corners of the world" they have streached our military resources so far that they are deploying and REDEPLOYING NG.

January 20 2005 I was notified that I was going to be activated Jan 21 2005 and that I was to go to NY start training Jan 24 2005 (a day before I was supposed to start my second semester of college). Then March 27 2005 I would be deployed to Iraq. So here I am in Iraq for anywahere from a year to a year and a half serving my country.

OKok... so let's get this right, you JOINED knowing you would very well be deployed and did it anyways... Maybe you should have gone into ROTC then you would have been able to finish school before you'd be deployed. SECOND My husband joined the Marines to pay for school, put in his four years was depolyed 3/4th of the time. When he got home he joined KY National Guard to bring some extra money home. Instead of going to school, he decided he would help out and volunteer to go over to the Sand Box (where he is currently stationed until Feb 2006). AND you're trying to get out of going. First are you actually going over seas or are you going to another base? Half of the time you don't even go overseas. People like you make me angry. You shouldn't have joined if you have no PRIDE in serving your country... there are school loans or even scholarships you could have gotten. I agree with everyone else, use the 22 and end it man.

 

[SDDubb]

Then why do you condone his behavior, by suggestion he apply as a "conscientious objector" when you state it was for selfish reasons, this is no "conscientious objector" they will be equally disgusted?

You right...I guess I should be ashamed of myself. Maybe I don't understand the full meaning of a conscientious objector, but I was considering how he could use the angle of not believing in the war and the politicians. I more than anything would like to see this fruitless thread end and to stop entertaining this turd. I also was trying to stick with the spirit of the forum and provide advice as to avenues to get out of his obligation alone, as he originally requested -- regardless if I agree or not. Yes, it is disgusting, and thus I pray "Dear God, please forgive me and my shortcomings. Amen."

 

[chrisdizz22]

I also am getting deployed to iraq, and I also dont believe in it. but its not my job to decide if the war is right or wrong. I signed the contract, and i too wanted to go to school. but i cant for the next two years. but guess what, its time for me to EARN the benefits that i have gotten. and thats what im going to do.. I suggest you suck it up and be a man. you signed on the dotted line, now do your time..