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Loose Ends 2004

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Some of you people need to stop with the dramatics.

Someone posts on a message board that he works for such and such dept. in the federal government, and he uses an e-mail address that is clearly identifiable as being an e-mail address of that department. He brags that he is doing as he pleases at taxpayer expense.

So someone else reports to the federal govt HR Dept or Inspector General or whatever that this person has stated he is doing these things, and provides evidence in the form of links, hard copy or whatever.

As someone else said, yes, the govt allows employees to use the Internet, but they do so for work-related matters - NOT for the type of shenanigans he is pulling. Maybe he is f'ing off on govt time. Maybe he made all this up (unlikely). The point is the person STATED he is doing all these things and that's why he is being reported.

That's not libel.

THIS is libel: Publication of false and malicious information printed for the purpose of defaming a living person. Libel is a false and unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, effigy, or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or obloquy, or which causes him to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him in his occupation.

Publishing private information about anyone is not defamation. It is simply the truth. As for you sending his information to his employer, that action in and of itself is not defamation unless you falsely accused him of committing a crime of which you know he did not commit and he suffered damages as a result.

Key words are "false" and "unprivileged". Hell, his co-workers or supervisor could easily be reading the same message board.

If he didn't want anyone to know (or suspect) he is doing these things then he shouldn't brag about it on an Internet message board. Duh. If, - and this is a longshot - he lied about the govt e-mail address, then that's the governments problem - not the problem of the person reporting it to the government. Criminal prosecution? For WHAT? Gimme a break.

The best defense against libel and slander is the truth.

(Let's get real. The chances of someone sitting at home and coming up with the idea to pretend to be a government employee at a specific government agency and conjuring up a plan to lie about abusing policies and tax dollars is very slim.)

Don't let ‘em scare you, Klady. Do what you feel you gotta do. Just make sure you provide evidence of what it is your complaint is about. You might want to remain anonymous (because he will probably go postal when he gets fired and when his unemployment is denied because of gross misconduct). Contrary to what others have told you, retaining anonymity is easy.
 
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allen03

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.........sigh.

Here's an example of Hexeliebe's expert advice:

hexeliebe said:
I even have a song where I mention IAAL, HG and Jet along with a few farm animals but I can't post it here :D:D:D

Yuk yuk. Tee hee. Slappin mah knee!!

:rolleyes:

Laughing at your own "joles". How lame and corny. What a sad sick puppy.

Obviously friends, "fitting in", and comaraderie are important to you.

go to www.boredandlookin4attention.com

Good luck, pumplin.

{{{{HUGS}}}}
 
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loocpoc

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Whoever said libel or slander? If an employee is caught using the internet in an inappropriate matter then yes he or she will be subject to discipline which can include removal of computer privies, written reprimand,suspension or termination. However if the employee is found to be not guilty (dont think ex's try to get their former spouse/significant other in trouble) than yes the employee has every right to sue for defemation of character and yes this person does open themself up to criminal liability under the law for making false statements.
 
Loonpoc, I didn't say that YOU said snything about libel (but quite a few others did, read the posts from Hexeliebe).

You didn't address this from my post:

"........Everyday, people report instances of suspected government fraud, waste and abuse of all kinds. Sometimes the reports are valid, sometimes not. Often the complaint is anonymous and an IP address might narrow down to the city, but not necessarily the person (She coule even type everything and send it in the mail, using gloves so as not to leave prints. Again, that would tell the city, but not reveal the person who made the complaint.) It's not as if she is making all this up. If he is lying and just saying this to get attention, that's his problem. Are you telling me that the people she reports this to are going to 1) find out who she is then 2) give this giy her name, address, etc. ? I find that hard to believe........."

My point is she would only be alerting them to what this person himself has been saying he is doing! How and why would they prosecute HER for reporting it?

That false statements are you talking about and how would the govt or the man who is bragging about doing these these find out who she is in order to even take action????? You're jumping all over the place. Please focus on what I am asking.

No one is saying alse accusations form spouses and ex's don't happen. But what's all that got to do with the issues HERE? The issues I raised in MY post?

Also notice this from the post of Loose Ends 2004:

"........So someone else reports to the federal govt HR Dept or Inspector General or whatever that this person has stated he is doing these things, and provides evidence in the form of links, hard copy or whatever......"
 
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cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Umm, maybe it's just me, but have we established whether or not this guy is actually DOING what he claims, or if he's just jerking klady's chain?
 
OP you need to stop worrying about other people's lives that do not affect you and start worrying about all the things in your life that have led you to this sorry state.
 
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klady

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Cbg, to address the question you asked:

Yes.

How? AS I said, his e-mail address is posted in his profile (as I already said). I know how to identify a government e-mail address, and I further know how to identify particular departments in the federal government. It's not hard. That in and of itself would not bother me, althouhg it IS misuse of recources.

But last summer he disagreed with several of us who were discussing an issue, and sent us rude e-mails (during the day). I didn't reply, and I later just blocked him. For at least a year he has been posting about 30 times a day average. I look at the rite abouit every other evening and I see he tlls people when he is going to lunch and that he'll answer their e-mails after lunch, etc. He also flirst and tells women to e-mail him, at that government address. He blathers on about how they don't pay him any attention at work and that's fine as long as he gets his raises.

Now, I suppose you will say maybe he doesn't really work there or maybe he works nights or find some other excuse for him. Wrong. One member got into a board discussion about how they had a great time when they met for lunch a couple months ago. The other guy mentioned that he went to the guy's OFFICE, at the (name of department) and there were lots of pretty women there, etc. etc. He talks about how he gets away with stealing supplies. No I haven't seen him do it. He rags on his boss and co-workers. He gets in arguments with other members so I guess he is yanking a lot of chains with this "mythical federal employee" masquerade, huh?

He is disruptive and been suspended from the board twice. He always posts during the day because he says he has no computer at home. Poor thing.

Some of you might want to try addressing the issues here instead of trying to think of ways to get him "exonerated" so he can "sue ME - the criminal". Sheesh.

Tell ya what, AFTER he gets busted I'll post a message at the other site telling him to come here and you all can be buddies, He'll have lots more free time on his hands. He can go to the library and use the computers, or all you can take up a collection.

Oh, p.s. Used IGNORE command on Hex ans Crzy horse. It works read good. :D
 
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cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
klady, I have no interest in "exonerating" him or "finding ways for him to sue you". I asked what seemed to me, to be a valid question. You answered it. End of story. A bit defensive, are you?
 
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Loose Ends 2004

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Maybe that's because so many replies have addressed the OP as if she is the criminal and in a "well, if he isn't doing it here's what's gonna happen to YOU" vein.

Even you CBG asked do we KNOW?. It's obvious.
 
The OP sounds like the kind of person who would follow her mailman around all day and report him for taking 20 minute breaks instead of 15.
 
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hexeliebe

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Even you CBG asked do we KNOW?. It's obvious.

How many idiots does it take to close a thread. I, and I'm sure crazy and cbg don't give a rat's ass if she reports him or not.

However, she has no PROOF. Period. All she has is claims that someone using an email address of a person who works for the government says they are playing on the internet all day.

Now, what proof does she have that the person who posted the email is the owner of the email? What proof does she have that the person who posted the email is actually the person working for the government?

She has NO PROOF. And if she persists in this WITHOUT proof, then she will either get some person fired or reprimanded, cause a stink for no reason or not affect the situation one iota.

So, the next time you decide to make cute remarks based on no proof, remember, your email address is easy to steal. Then all I have to do is post that email on a sex for hire website, a few bulletin boards advertising I am looking for a good time and you are branded a whore.

After all, since I posted your email address it has to be true, right?
 
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allen03

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Aww, for chrissakes, what does it take for you to see she DOES have quite a bit of proof, you myopic moron?

>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, what proof does she have that the person who posted the email is the owner of the email? What proof does she have that the person who posted the email is actually the person working for the government?<<<<<<<<<<< She got an e-mail from him last summer, along with a lot of other people, dumbass. I suppose now you're gonna say the government rents out e-mail addresses or that it was the one-armed man typing all that shyt. You need to snd a resume to Johnnie Cochran.


What's it to you if the thread gets a thousand more posts?

>>>>>>>>>>>How many idiots does it take to close a thread. I, and I'm sure crazy and cbg don't give a rat's ass if she reports him or not. <<<<<<<<<

Oh, you care allright. That's why you keep coming back here with these stupid manuscripts. Strange behavior doe someone who claims not to give a rat's ass, eh?

Then shut up and go away and take your worthless information and crackhead commentary with you.
 
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hexeliebe

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Sounds like the Hillbillies are ganging up on civilization.

You're not long for this forum jackass. Oh and by the way, that e-mail you'll be getting soon from President@whitehouse.gov didn't really come from George.

Or the one you'll soon be getting from bgates@microsoft.com
or the one you'll soon be getting from SWalton@walmart.com
or the one from eTaylor@hollywood.com

shall I go on? Or should I just fill your e-mail in-box with these useless points that anyone with half a brain (present company excluded of course) can send a ghosted e-mail. It takes about 15 minutes of programming knowledge, a basic understanding of Visual Basic, Windows API code and about 23 lines of code.

But then, since you know everything, you probably already knew that.

Geeez, where DO they come from?
 

stephenk

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The only issue that hasnt been presented is:

Using his work email in his profile does not mean he is using a work computer. He may prefer to have emails sent to his job instead of home. He may also be using a notebook computer with wireless access, that has nothing to do with his work computer.

I sometimes use my work email as a contact address for the same reason.
 
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