Here's a good one...

[stealth2]

The difference between weekly and monthly is that you are not calculating monthly the same way. A month is NOT strictly 4 weeks. It is either 30 or 31 days. Which is 4.29 or 4.42 weeks (30 or 31 divided by 7). Averaged out that is 4.36 weeks per month. That is what is used in CS calculations. Not what YOU think a month is. You have no leg to stand on. You owe the arrears.

 

[John Galt]

Look, don't speak to me like I made these arrears on purpose. Had they taken out what they were supposed to in the first place from my check, I wouldn't have these arrears. Their own generated paperwork sent to the HR department states "125 a week, 500 every two". Who wouldn't be upset thinking for all this time you were doing what is right and going by what FOC paperwork states as being the corrcect amounts to be paid and now, surprise, we didn't inform you about how we think. No wonder men/women who pay CS are in constant arrears. So now when I pay the arrears and adjust the amount, they will find a new formula or way to try to extract more. What, am I supposed to make sure they are doing their job properly. If they had, there would be no surprises.

You either work for or did work for FOC.

j g

 

[John Galt]

Hey Stealth

Poll a hundred people and ask them how many weeks in a month.

Find me in the FOC handbook a month equals 4.35 weeks


j g

 

[n_and]

Hey stealth you can poll me.

Sometimes there are 5 weeks in a month. Sometines there are 4. I think it's April and July that have 5 weeks. There is one more month. I'm not sure which.


John Galt -

There are 12 months in a year. Average it all out.

 

[Ramoth]

John, basically $125 a week and $500 a month are two different figures. If the judgement is fo $125 a week, and your payroll department has been garnishing at $500 a month, then your payroll dept screwed up. Not that there's anything they can do but apologize to you, but that's the way it is. You owe the arrears.

 

[stealth2]

Look, don't speak to me like I made these arrears on purpose. Had they taken out what they were supposed to in the first place from my check, I wouldn't have these arrears. Their own generated paperwork sent to the HR department states "125 a week, 500 every two". Who wouldn't be upset thinking for all this time you were doing what is right and going by what FOC paperwork states as being the corrcect amounts to be paid and now, surprise, we didn't inform you about how we think. No wonder men/women who pay CS are in constant arrears. So now when I pay the arrears and adjust the amount, they will find a new formula or way to try to extract more. What, am I supposed to make sure they are doing their job properly. If they had, there would be no surprises.

You either work for or did work for FOC.

j g

Look, don't speak to ME like you're being dissed. Whether they screwed up or not, the money they say you owe - YOU OWE! The math is pretty simple, whether you agree with it or not. Any moron with half a brain could figure out that if you did a simple 4 weeks to a month calculation you only end up with 48 weeks in a year - which is 4 less than the calendar has. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure that the correct amount is taken out because it is YOUR obligation to pay. So shove that one up sideways, okay?

And no, I've never had any involvement with FOC on either end. So shove that one, too.

 

[stealth2]

Hey Stealth

Poll a hundred people and ask them how many weeks in a month.

Find me in the FOC handbook a month equals 4.35 weeks


j g

52/12 = 4.33

 

[kidoday]

John what you need to write to the FOC is a letter explaining that the order is based on a weekly amount and not a monthly amount. Highlight this verbage and send as an attachment to your letter. Also request at what date they changed the amount being charged to your account from $125.00 per week to the monthly amount.

I had a weekly amount for my temporary custody order and by the time the original order was signed the attorney's changed the verbage to read a monthly amount due to the change in the FOC system.

 

[John Galt]

your advice will be taken Kidoday. Many thanks for your insight.

You won't be missed Stealth. Too bad we all don't just roll over and let the system walk all over us. It was those of us that have a spine and know the power of a question that protect the rights of others. Your way, we would just shut up and never question the just from the unjust.

Here's your reminder, stay off my posts.

j g

 

[Sculptor]

Question

Have you been paying every week or every two weeks all along and not skipping weeks? If so, I can't see how you can be in arrears as you've paid the $125/week for 52 weeks. Or did you pay 4 weeks per month only, which would leave you 4 weeks short for the year?

 

[John Galt]

I have been paying 250.00 every two weeks since I get paid bi-monthly. The HR department did not screw up due to the fact that they were doing as directed by the paperwork FOC sent them.

Again, that FOC sent them. Myself nor the HR department made up any numbers, all information and instructions furnished to us came from FOC.

Now that I have a better understanding from these posts, I will go ahead and write a thank you letter to the agent, pose the thought that KIDODAY recommended, and make sure the HR department takes out the appropriate amount.

Any other questions, just post. This has been one of those learning experiences that I hope others will benefit from. Had I known how FOC thought without the so called hidden rules, I would have been able to correct the amount from the beginning.

Many Thanks,

j g

 

[kidoday]

John if your HR department still has the paperwork from the FOC, get a copy of that and send along with your letter. Request that the FOC show proof that a different amount were to be deducted.

What county do you live in? The State of Michigan ordered the FOC to get their computer systems upgraded with a deadline I think of September. What county are you in? I know my county updated at the last minute. And there were awful errors with the new upgrade. They have since been worked out, but some people in this county and the next county over went a month without child support.

Please let me know what you find out.

 

[John Galt]

Hi kid

I have the same exact paperwork that the HR Department has. I deal with paperwork as part of my job so I know how important it is. The paperwork reads as follows.

125 per weekly pay period

250 per biweekly pay period (every two weeks) which is what I am.

270.83 semi-monthly pay period (twice a month)
how is this different from bi-weekly??

541.67 per monthly pay period

Again, on the paperwork they FOC submitted,

$125 per week Current Child Support
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
for a total of $125.00 per week to be forwarded to the payee below.

I am in Wayne County.

I look forward to hearing from you and will post my letter before I send it.

j g

 

[stealth2]

250 per biweekly pay period (every two weeks) which is what I am.

270.83 semi-monthly pay period (twice a month)
how is this different from bi-weekly??

Every 2 weeks = 26 pay periods per year = A

Twice per month = 24 pay periods per year = B

You get less money more often in A more money less often in B.

 

[kidoday]

541.67 per monthly pay period

Dang John not good. Your employer has been deducting the 250.00 per the order, but if you look down and see the monthly amount, that doesn't even make up for what your employer has been deducting. If you also take 125 x 4.35 = 543.75. Their own figures were a little off. I would suspect that whoever entered your new amount into the system entered the weekly amount x 4.35.

Now what you have to do is verify what the actual order states regarding Child support payments and compare it to what the FOC instituted on their paperwork. Type out what your order states in the exact verbage.