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C
Chitown
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Well, EC, I suppose a real discussion is no longer an option for you, as you simply dismissed everything else I wrote and have resorted to childish insults (the last resort of those who realize they’re wrong but won’t admit fault).
Anyone else who wants to engage in a rational, adult discussion of this matter is encouraged to comment
Anyone else who wants to engage in a rational, adult discussion of this matter is encouraged to comment
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You don't get it all do you? You have to state anything you wish kept private that is above and beyond the HIPAA regulations and the hospital must keep that information confidential. Information released in good faith is not a violation. Just try and prove any information released was done so out of something other than good faith. And, please--remember to post later when you find out I am correct and the other responses, including the off-the-thread-provided information is NOT APPLICABLE.
You didn't want an accident file created; you didn't want the police involved; you don't want to talk with an attorney who is volunteering to represent you; and you want to deflect attention away from yourself---you caused the accident didn't you and you're already in trouble with the law or have a record, don't you?
Sorry I can't argue with you any longer; there are people and issues that I care about--you just aren't one of them.
EC
You didn't want an accident file created; you didn't want the police involved; you don't want to talk with an attorney who is volunteering to represent you; and you want to deflect attention away from yourself---you caused the accident didn't you and you're already in trouble with the law or have a record, don't you?
Sorry I can't argue with you any longer; there are people and issues that I care about--you just aren't one of them.
EC
You Are Guilty
Senior Member
Chitown said:Well, EC, I suppose a real discussion is no longer an option for you, as you simply dismissed everything else I wrote and have resorted to childish insults (the last resort of those who realize they’re wrong but won’t admit fault).
Anyone else who wants to engage in a rational, adult discussion of this matter is encouraged to comment
We already did. And even you have to admit EC's last post was pretty funny.
Anyway, even with the complaints, end result, you plug one leak, another pops up. You're going to have to get by an awful lot of taxis to stop them all.
C
Chitown
Guest
You are both right. Now that I’ve got some helpful advice from a few posters and EC has opted for wild speculations it’s clearly time to end this. I’ll continue to pursue this on my own (don’t worry, I won’t exert too much effort, as I said before, filing a complaint is quite easy). It’ll be much easier without the parade of negativity, illogic claims, and insults that some members of this forum rain upon posters.
Bye!
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I have to agree - ChiTown you're an ass.
Get over it and move on. So what if a lawyer is trying to help. So what if soemone give them your cell#. It's very easy to get any amount of information from a hospital.
YOU WOULD BE REALLY SURPRISED HOW MANY HOSPITALS USE WIRELESS NETWORKS.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A HIPPA/HIPAA/HHIPA/ what ever violation.
Have fun wasting your time.
tphillips78
Member
When my wife was in the hospital they couldn't even tell anybody that she was a patient at the hospital. So for some lawyer to get some one's name and number has to be a inside job. By the way the hospital couldn't say if she was a patient or not do to the HIPAA Law.
tphillips78
HIPAA does not require the total absence of information available to friends, family, or the media. Hospitals are allowed to have patient directories available to the public. For instance, one can call hospital X and ask if Friend Citizen is in that hospital and what is the status of Friend Citizen. Unless the patient has 'opted out' of being included in the patient registry, the hospital can provide the caller with Friend Citizen's room number and a status report such as stable, guarded, poor, etc. Of course, hospitals may opt out of providing a registry; but, if the hospital has a registry, the information I listed is available to the family, friends, and the press.
The unscrupulous person in the OP's description is the attorney who held himself out to be in need of contacting the patient. In the strictest application of HIPAA, it is possible that the OP's name should not have been released as the name of the patient would not be provided to a person who is not involved in any aspect of providing or securing initial or continuing healthcare. However, if the hospital worker who released the OP's name did so while believing the attorney was directly related to continuing healthcare needs of the patient, then the hospital worker did not violate HIPAA in releasing the OP's name. Releasing a cell phone number was the right choice as opposed to releasing the OP's home telephone number, or work telephone number, or street/mailing address. A cell phone number maintains the person's privacy. In these ways, the hospital worker complied with HIPAA--releasing only 'need to know' information and releasing the absolute minimal information.
The information released would not allow anyone to identify the OP from any number of persons with the same name. Absolutely no information about medical history or treatment was provided.
The OP received a HIPAA notice at the hospital and had the opportunity to state that he wanted absolutely no information about him released to anyone for any reason. He did not state such.
EC
HIPAA does not require the total absence of information available to friends, family, or the media. Hospitals are allowed to have patient directories available to the public. For instance, one can call hospital X and ask if Friend Citizen is in that hospital and what is the status of Friend Citizen. Unless the patient has 'opted out' of being included in the patient registry, the hospital can provide the caller with Friend Citizen's room number and a status report such as stable, guarded, poor, etc. Of course, hospitals may opt out of providing a registry; but, if the hospital has a registry, the information I listed is available to the family, friends, and the press.
The unscrupulous person in the OP's description is the attorney who held himself out to be in need of contacting the patient. In the strictest application of HIPAA, it is possible that the OP's name should not have been released as the name of the patient would not be provided to a person who is not involved in any aspect of providing or securing initial or continuing healthcare. However, if the hospital worker who released the OP's name did so while believing the attorney was directly related to continuing healthcare needs of the patient, then the hospital worker did not violate HIPAA in releasing the OP's name. Releasing a cell phone number was the right choice as opposed to releasing the OP's home telephone number, or work telephone number, or street/mailing address. A cell phone number maintains the person's privacy. In these ways, the hospital worker complied with HIPAA--releasing only 'need to know' information and releasing the absolute minimal information.
The information released would not allow anyone to identify the OP from any number of persons with the same name. Absolutely no information about medical history or treatment was provided.
The OP received a HIPAA notice at the hospital and had the opportunity to state that he wanted absolutely no information about him released to anyone for any reason. He did not state such.
EC
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One question - did you check with the police to see if there was, indeed a report?
I was in a bus accident a few years ago (before HIPAA). Although I was not injured, I did fall and had to give my name, etc., to the bus driver. I then left before the police came. Much to my surprise, a few days later, I received a letter from an attorney offering his services. I called the attorney's office and found out that they send someone to the police department and they get the information from the police regarding accidents, and they then send out letters. I wrote a letter to the powers that be but was told this was legal in my state (Hawaii). I even got a call from the attorney with explanation about how this was not "ambulance" (or my case) bus chasing. We agreed to disagree.
I know your situation is different, but I can certainly understand your annoyance.
I was in a bus accident a few years ago (before HIPAA). Although I was not injured, I did fall and had to give my name, etc., to the bus driver. I then left before the police came. Much to my surprise, a few days later, I received a letter from an attorney offering his services. I called the attorney's office and found out that they send someone to the police department and they get the information from the police regarding accidents, and they then send out letters. I wrote a letter to the powers that be but was told this was legal in my state (Hawaii). I even got a call from the attorney with explanation about how this was not "ambulance" (or my case) bus chasing. We agreed to disagree.
I know your situation is different, but I can certainly understand your annoyance.
EC Hospitals Violate this more than you know.
EC,
I personally know of a hospital that released the wife's medical records to the husband's attorney in a divorce. The request for the medical records had no court order or the patient's athorization.
In addition I also know of a doctor's office that released someone's medical records without authorization.
EC,
I personally know of a hospital that released the wife's medical records to the husband's attorney in a divorce. The request for the medical records had no court order or the patient's athorization.
In addition I also know of a doctor's office that released someone's medical records without authorization.
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