I didnt put the lock on the thread

[rmet4nzkx]

Wow!

Posse?
Nah, Panzertanker has it under control, no need for a posse.

 

[panzertanker]

Posse?
Nah, Panzertanker has it under control, no need for a posse.

, Magnets??? I have heard of their use, but do not know of the efficacy of them...

 

[LittleLisa]

no more need for the arguement,

Rx- i will resend, i thought i saved the pm, but guess i did not. You know, i was thinking while reading your thread, he does have MS, but last i knew it was in re-mission, not severe, (last I knew which was in Oct) by my family is still his patients and believe me how hard it is not to tell them whats going on but I had to sign a agreement with the state as far as how much i can say and how much i can not. and thats so hard. As for as him suicidal, hmm, im not sure. That actually may be a option for him when he finds out exactly what the states "plan" is.

As for those of you who want to know what program im in, i was referred to a outpatient treatment program which consists of 5 group sessions, the initial consult (already had), and a post-test which you have to score a 80% to pass. I already have had my groups, passed the test with a 99.2% score, continue seeing my Psychatrist, and will be signed off of the program, by the end of next week. My license was able to be un-revoked on 5/23, so I will be eligible for the conditional license (no limits, just dont get arrested for anything), then in Aug is becomes my reg license again.

I do not want to cause arguements between people in here, I do however want to point out that Rx and Naye have been very helpful and in a round about way(no pun inteneded) panz, has helped. Just have to kinda take the good with the bad, and in here ive taken alot. but also realize now these people are here to help me, advise me, but also point out things in my recovery i may not be seeing, (just could be worded a little nicer). Naye is one of the ones who as acutally gone thru what im about to go thru.

 

[panzertanker]

Rx- i will resend, i thought i saved the pm, but guess i did not. You know, i was thinking while reading your thread, he does have MS, but last i knew it was in re-mission, not severe, (last I knew which was in Oct) by my family is still his patients and believe me how hard it is not to tell them whats going on but I had to sign a agreement with the state as far as how much i can say and how much i can not. and thats so hard. As for as him suicidal, hmm, im not sure. That actually may be a option for him when he finds out exactly what the states "plan" is.

As for those of you who want to know what program im in, i was referred to a outpatient treatment program which consists of 5 group sessions, the initial consult (already had), and a post-test which you have to score a 80% to pass. I already have had my groups, passed the test with a 99.2% score, continue seeing my Psychatrist, and will be signed off of the program, by the end of next week. My license was able to be un-revoked on 5/23, so I will be eligible for the conditional license (no limits, just dont get arrested for anything), then in Aug is becomes my reg license again.

I do not want to cause arguements between people in here, I do however want to point out that Rx and Naye have been very helpful and in a round about way(no pun inteneded) panz, has helped. Just have to kinda take the good with the bad, and in here ive taken alot. but also realize now these people are here to help me, advise me, but also point out things in my recovery i may not be seeing, (just could be worded a little nicer). Naye is one of the ones who as acutally gone thru what im about to go thru.

Good for you! (in a nice way, not mean.)
I said it before, you see me as your adversary (or did see me as one) when that is the farthest from the truth.

I AM sorry that you wished I could have worded my responses differently, but by your own admission, you were timid at the start. (you actually said the whole thing scared you).
Sugar coating and hand holding is not beneficial for you. Thick skin is.
If my being harsh helped you have thicker skin or be resolved, good. I am glad to have help. If I did not help, good luck and keep us posted.

 

[NayeBomb]

This is about Lisa and her situation, not belittling one another.

Lisa,
I am so glad you have been helped by everyone here.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

This is about Lisa and her situation, not belittling one another.

Lisa,
I am so glad you have been helped by everyone here.

Then why are you attacking professionals like Panzertanker, this is his area of expertize. He and I see all sides of this issue, ones that you, having been through a similar situation, would still not know. No one is going to be able to fully prepare her for the overwhelming experience this is going to be. She is fragile right now. She knows she is going to have to go through this, there is no going back. There is no choice and many choices have been taken away from her 3 years aho when she had her back injury. She needs to have her anger focused in the right direction, continue her recovery and build a support network past what is required by the court. We are all on her side, no one is condoning what happened.

 

[NayeBomb]

Rx and Panz,
I've reflected on what I've said and I apologize. I'm not a mean spirited person. I guess it's because the whole experience was so distressing. When I saw the statements in the previous thread, I didn't really read what Panz was saying. I felt like he was saying he couldn't fathom a doctor doing what she said. Then the Juan Valdez remark, I know Panz didn't write it but...it just put me back into attack dog mode, I saw red. Then Panz said I was uneducated and I implied was stupid and had no idea of what I was talking about, it just made things worse. I'm truly sorry Panz. I'm sorry I attacked your experience; I was WAY out of line. I took out some displaced aggression on you. I'm terribly sorry.

During my trial and depos, I had to word my answers carefully, not to fool, to show I had taken responsibility for my actions and at the same time blame him. It’s a slippery slope. In hindsight, I saw that I was naive to the possibility of addiction but I couldn't say that really. On the stand you cannot show weakness. It also messed with my recovery; I didn’t relapse but...I struggled with questions. Such as: Was I suing someone for my actions ? Was it an excuse, absolving myself from truly accepting responsibility? What were my damages? These drugs and MY choices destroyed my life. I had to defend the fact that I lived, if I would have died my case would have been stronger. I lived and no one believed me. I only had my word and the word of a drug addict doesn't hold water in society's eyes. It was hard to convey how really bad things had gotten because I looked fine. It was a struggle emotionally and spiritually. It will be very overwhelming for Lisa. I thought I was prepared, I asked all those questions, I knew they'd use my words against me and nothing could have prepared me for what I experienced. In court you have one chance to make an impression and the defense will do anything to shake you. She has to go into court and stand up for the truth. She needs to stay positive.

All the advice here was right on...I just lost it and once again, I'm sorry.

I tried to defend Lisa and I got carried away. I hope I didn't cause undue stress. I understand where she's at and I just wanted this to be a place she could come for help and support...a safe place.

Jeana

 

[panzertanker]

Rx and Panz,
I've reflected on what I've said and I apologize. I'm not a mean spirited person. I guess it's because the whole experience was so distressing. When I saw the statements in the previous thread, I didn't really read what Panz was saying. I felt like he was saying he couldn't fathom a doctor doing what she said. Then the Juan Valdez remark, I know Panz didn't write it but...it just put me back into attack dog mode, I saw red. Then Panz said I was uneducated and I implied was stupid and had no idea of what I was talking about, it just made things worse. I'm truly sorry Panz. I'm sorry I attacked your experience; I was WAY out of line. I took out some displaced aggression on you. I'm terribly sorry.

During my trial and depos, I had to word my answers carefully, not to fool, to show I had taken responsibility for my actions and at the same time blame him. It’s a slippery slope. In hindsight, I saw that I was naive to the possibility of addiction but I couldn't say that really. On the stand you cannot show weakness. It also messed with my recovery; I didn’t relapse but...I struggled with questions. Such as: Was I suing someone for my actions ? Was it an excuse, absolving myself from truly accepting responsibility? What were my damages? These drugs and MY choices destroyed my life. I had to defend the fact that I lived, if I would have died my case would have been stronger. I lived and no one believed me. I only had my word and the word of a drug addict doesn't hold water in society's eyes. It was hard to convey how really bad things had gotten because I looked fine. It was a struggle emotionally and spiritually. It will be very overwhelming for Lisa. I thought I was prepared, I asked all those questions, I knew they'd use my words against me and nothing could have prepared me for what I experienced. In court you have one chance to make an impression and the defense will do anything to shake you. She has to go into court and stand up for the truth. She needs to stay positive.

All the advice here was right on...I just lost it and once again, I'm sorry.

I tried to defend Lisa and I got carried away. I hope I didn't cause undue stress. I understand where she's at and I just wanted this to be a place she could come for help and support...a safe place.

Jeana

Thank you, but you do not owe me an apology.
I deal with addicts on a daily basis, unfortunately, and work with an Addictionist also.
I am very supportive of Lisa, as I think you now see. I want NOTHING more than for her doc to be driven out of the medical field, and sent to prison. (assuming what we are told is true)
I also, now knowing that there was/is a sexual malfeasance component, want her to remain strong and follow through on that as well. See there are 2 things happening:
1. Lisa will be called as a witness by the state against the doc. She has no choice in this matter.
2. Lisa COULD file a civil lawsuit against the doc. But she DOES NOT have to.

I would like for both to happen, but Lisa needs to be exposed to how tough it can be. By your own admission NayeBomb, people look at addicts, recovered or not, as slime on the sole of society's shoe.

I agree with that assessment, when the addict takes no responsibility in his/her addiction.
That is why I point out that she got the pills, took them, etc.......
She MUST be prepared for the vicious attacks on her person and family that WILL come. No one cares what the truth is, unfortunately, only about what can be PROVEN. So far, Lisa can be proved to be a drug addict who got a DUI. I do not know what the prosecution can prove about the doc, that is why I warn/am so harsh to Lisa.

Lisa, you CAN do it, stay resolved.

NayeBomb, Thank you. I apologize for making remarks about you too.

 

[LittleLisa]

Update

First of all again, thanks to all of you that are helping me. I have good news, the fraud investigator called on Friday, advising that he turned over the prescription printout from my insurance company to the licensing board without me having to file a complaint personally. For some reason, someone got a twitch in that department and was stating that I had to file the complaint personally, which would be forwarded to the doc, then he would have 20 days to respond, blah, blah.

He contacted the licensing board himself (he has a friend in the dept), he saw the printout and more then happy to put the complaint in as of Friday. So after talking to the fraud (who really has gone beyond his duties) investigator, this is starting to really move. Im supposed to have some visits sometime this week, from several depts who are also now involved. And sign off on some papers (my identity??). Even though the state does have enough evidence to arrest him, they are waiting on one more thing before they "move in". I almost feel like they are going to act like a SWAT team. I just want to see him closed down forever.

As far as any trial for the state, yes i think ive told you guys that i have agreed to testify for them. As far as my personal case, we are moving ahead now. My medmal was able to find out his attorney's name, heres my question? As you know this doc is my familys doc, (mom, aunts, grandmother), well, when all this first happened, the doctor and my mother talked many times about me, She FINALLY figured out he was trying to get info from her. So basically they are both guilty of the HIPA right??, Im sure his attorney could supena my mom, but do you think that they would, and wouldnt' that be just another "charge" possibly against him?? Hope everyone is doing good..

 

[rmet4nzkx]

First of all again, thanks to all of you that are helping me. I have good news, the fraud investigator called on Friday, advising that he turned over the prescription printout from my insurance company to the licensing board without me having to file a complaint personally. For some reason, someone got a twitch in that department and was stating that I had to file the complaint personally, which would be forwarded to the doc, then he would have 20 days to respond, blah, blah.

He contacted the licensing board himself (he has a friend in the dept), he saw the printout and more then happy to put the complaint in as of Friday. So after talking to the fraud (who really has gone beyond his duties) investigator, this is starting to really move. Im supposed to have some visits sometime this week, from several depts who are also now involved. And sign off on some papers (my identity??). Even though the state does have enough evidence to arrest him, they are waiting on one more thing before they "move in". I almost feel like they are going to act like a SWAT team. I just want to see him closed down forever.

As far as any trial for the state, yes i think ive told you guys that i have agreed to testify for them. As far as my personal case, we are moving ahead now. My medmal was able to find out his attorney's name, heres my question? As you know this doc is my familys doc, (mom, aunts, grandmother), well, when all this first happened, the doctor and my mother talked many times about me, She FINALLY figured out he was trying to get info from her. So basically they are both guilty of the HIPA right??, Im sure his attorney could supena my mom, but do you think that they would, and wouldnt' that be just another "charge" possibly against him?? Hope everyone is doing good..

Hang in there.
It always seems like there is just one more little thing, and for the person filing the complaint you don't want to miss anything, because much will get dropped to the background. Your mother can't violate HIPAA, so she is not in trouble, she was manipulated also, it can be an additional cause of action for breach of confidentiality, you might also file a HIPAA complaint along the way. thats, Insurance fraud/licensing fraud/FDA/HIPAA & med-mal 5 different legal process in which you will play a role, It is not an "E" ride. Keep strong.

 

[LittleLisa]

Hipa?

When all this went down in oct, my mother was more on "his" side, and was mad because when i first went into rehab, my mother said she blamed me 90% for what happened and 10% on him. (Now shes completely behind me), but they were in contact w/each other up until March of this year. She said he called her every day during the first 25 days, he sent her a letter wanting to meet w/her to discuss me, luckily she did save it, but Im still not sure even at this point and her being my own mother, exactly what info they gave each other. She also has been on valium since she was 28, and shes now 56, and he gives them out like candy. so a little bit i believe is shes afraid, she needs to find a new doc and shes not sure if she will be able to find one that will prescribe like he does/did.

I've been very careful what i say to her. I know this sounds real bad, but honestly i do not trust her completely. Thats so sad to say I know, but its how I feel.

But anyway, as far as the state "starting" the licensing complaing, what they are doing, is they have my insurance companies "printout", which has every prescrip since the end of 02, what they are doing, is using my information, without my name. Ive gotten copies of what they are doing, forwarding them to my medmal, everything seems to be going in the right direction. I will MAKE sure nothing gets "lost" or anything. Im not letting go of this one, i want to see him go down and go down hard. The personal one is different.

Im getting that "thick skin" real quick now. Between the group meetings, and my program, I know i was the addict (responsiblity everything), but determined that he WILL NEVER DO THIS TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING is the main goal.

Update with any new news as it comes.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

When all this went down in oct, my mother was more on "his" side, and was mad because when i first went into rehab, my mother said she blamed me 90% for what happened and 10% on him. (Now shes completely behind me), but they were in contact w/each other up until March of this year. She said he called her every day during the first 25 days, he sent her a letter wanting to meet w/her to discuss me, luckily she did save it, but Im still not sure even at this point and her being my own mother, exactly what info they gave each other. She also has been on valium since she was 28, and shes now 56, and he gives them out like candy. so a little bit i believe is shes afraid, she needs to find a new doc and shes not sure if she will be able to find one that will prescribe like he does/did.

I've been very careful what i say to her. I know this sounds real bad, but honestly i do not trust her completely. Thats so sad to say I know, but its how I feel.

But anyway, as far as the state "starting" the licensing complaing, what they are doing, is they have my insurance companies "printout", which has every prescrip since the end of 02, what they are doing, is using my information, without my name. Ive gotten copies of what they are doing, forwarding them to my medmal, everything seems to be going in the right direction. I will MAKE sure nothing gets "lost" or anything. Im not letting go of this one, i want to see him go down and go down hard. The personal one is different.

Im getting that "thick skin" real quick now. Between the group meetings, and my program, I know i was the addict (responsiblity everything), but determined that he WILL NEVER DO THIS TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING is the main goal.

Update with any new news as it comes.

Of course he got real friendly with Mom when you went to rehab, he was trying to hedge his bets because it was only a matter of time before he was found out. Mom, is about to lose her source. Do the fraud investigator and your attorney know this? This will have to be handled bery carefully by one of them.

 

[LittleLisa]

Mom friendly w/doc

He has been the family doc for over 30 years. Alot of my family including my mother trust him to the utmost extent. My mother now not to trusting. But she's been a patient longer than I was. She also takes Valium, which shes been on for almost 30 years (she has MVP) and takes for anxiety. Around x-mas time she started getting dental work done to have dentures/partials. So with a heart condition, she needs an antibiotic prior to procedures. Heres the thing i did not understand...THe real dental work began in Feb, she went to the doctor for her antibiotic, and for pain med, he gave her Darvocet which lasted until she started to have teeth pulled in April. Now after her KNOWING what was going on w/my situation, called him and said the darvocet were not working good, so he called in 100 vicodin, called him back 2 days later saying they upset her stomach, so he asked her what she could take, he ended up writing out a script for DEMORAL and gave her 100 of them..??? I was pissed at her, if shes in pain caused by dental work and needs pain med, you get it from the dentist NOT your family doc.

That would be like me knowing I have 2 ear infections, going to my dentist and saying "hey can you give me an antibiotic for my infection"?? she saw my point a little later. But as far as both of them, he called her every day, sent her a letter asking to "Meet with her", and she does go in for BP checks. He even has billed fraudualantly to HER insurance co. Im not sure of what he said she said, but I have a really hard time trusting her right now. I dont know if his lawyer would call on her or not, and Im not sure what she would do/say. Im at the point now, where i think he's either a druggie himself or just plain has a chemical mishap in what you would call a BRAIN.

he stopped phoning her in May, said he was calling to see how her dental work was going.

Yes, ive advised everyone involved of this as well, so they are aware of their communications regarding me. So right now im just waiting, and yes we have started my civil case, so things are starting to move.