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jlusher

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Texas

My wife and I are about to purchase our fist home, in fact we close at the end of the month.

Last year when we signed our lease with our landlord, though a property management company, we agreed to a one year lease that expires on July 4th. However, a week later our landlord approached us that she would like us to move out at the end of May, or thereabout, for the prime renting season in our area, essentially changing the lease from a 12 month to a 9 month lease. We said that we would consider it.

When we were looking for homes it was our intention to move out in June or thereabouts. However, we did, for the sake of just finding out, ask our landlord if she would like us still to vacate early so she could rent the house earlier. She said that it would, and since we wrote a written notice to her summing up our discussion. Also, since we have had several conversations about pro-rating this upcoming months rent (May), and doing an official walk-through on May 13th, which she agreed to. Also, during this time she has placed the house on the market, though the property management company, for a move in date of May 15th. We have had several people walk through and look at the house over the past couple of weeks. Our mistake was in not getting her to sign a new agreement to this effect, though we have been planning to have her do this over the coming week.

However, today, she calls and wants to hold us to our lease date of July 4th, which legally she is entitled to do. Her reasons is that another tenant at another house is planning on moving out at the end of July and she is afraid of having two of here three homes on the rental market at the same time and afraid of the cash flow crunch.

Now, I do have here on voice mail, recorded now on our computer, leaving a message agreeing to all the above, i.e. the fact that we can vacate early, pro-rate the rent. But, it is not in writing, just a voice mail. Also, like I said she verbally talking to both me and my wife at separate times has agreed to the above, we just, like a fool, trusted this lady that she would hold by her word. Now she has broken it.

My question, is there anything we can do? Or are we just going to be shafted.

One other thing, she is trying to still rent the house for the same move in date, claiming that "hey if they rent it then you are Ok and won't be in lease anymore". She is trying to have her cake and eat it too. Which legally, another party can not enter a lease while we are still in one officially until July 4th. I am thinking that if she doesn't go back to her agreement of May 15th, that I am going to stick to the July 4th date, which is going to hurt her in renting the house earlier, since most of the people that have come by want to rent now, not in July (this is a college town).

Does anybody have advice?

John
 


Who's Liable?

Senior Member
You are entitled to stay the length of the lease and not be forced out on a whim... I would keep the lease in a safe place, make a copy of it, like your brothers house...

Send her a CRRR letter stating you will be staying until the lease termination date and will give her proper notice as outlined in the lease of your move out date... Give the required 30 or 60 days notice as outlined in your lease to the LL , and MOVE... It looks like yuur LL will not like the fact that you will be staying until the lease terminates...

Send her another CRRR letter stating ALL oral agreements either via phone, or in person WILL NOT be valid unless it is in writing and signed by all interested parties... This will force her to write down EXACTLY what she wants you to do... If she tries talking to you about the lease or any of the above, simply tell her to put it in writing, your attorney will look it over and walk away... If she gives you somethign to sign, look it over CAREFULLY, and remember, you do NOT have to sign ANYTHING you don't understand. Don't let her try to pressure you or threaten you will legal mumbo-jumbo... that is what we are for...

If she really wants you to move out, tell her to make you an offer... it is your legal RIGHT to stay until the lease ends, and she can pay for your moving and relocation costs to get you out of there!
 

CAGuy25

Member
I think the point was missed in the previous reply. The fact is that they want to move out early to avoid having to pay a mortgage and rent. Altho, in order to stick it to the landlord they might threaten to stay till the very end if she's being a bitch about it. I think the fact that you have her on tape should be strong enough to defend against any attempts on her part to take your deposit, or charge you, for any time she doesn't have the house rented.

It may end up in small claims court, but I think you'd stand a better chance of winning than her. Mentioning the fact that you have a recording might also help persuade her into letting you go early without a fight. I would copy the recording onto 2 or 3 cd's, places elsewhere, just to be sure. Computers have a funny way of crashing in these sorts of incidents.
 

longneck

Member
jlusher said:
She said that it would, and since we wrote a written notice to her summing up our discussion.

jlusher said:
Now, I do have here on voice mail, recorded now on our computer, leaving a message agreeing to all the above, i.e. the fact that we can vacate early, pro-rate the rent.

Some other people here will have better advice, but between these two items and if you have any proof that your notice was received, you have a poorly-insulated snowball's chance in hell of proving the landlord agreed and moving out in May as she had origianlly requested.

But the "written notice" may not be sufficient to serve as a "lease addendum" and the lease may have an exclusion on oral agreements. As I said before, other people here will have better advice. I hope I have helped by highlighting the more important bits. :)
 

jlusher

Junior Member
Thanks for the replies and advice...

Since then, I have found out that several college students, that have visted the house on two ocassions are planning, if not already have, signed a lease for May 15th. I know this because one of the students is planning to purchase my 57 inch TV from me and mentioned that this is great because it wouldn't have to be moved since they are getting their deposit checks over to the property managment office and are planning on moving into the house on the 15th, or "whenever you are ready". They even offered to help us move, gotta love them aggies.

Anyway, I havn't heard from my LL yet on this and I was giving a day to let everything settle out. The other day when I talked I never aggreed to anything, just listened to her go back on her word. I will be talking to the student who is purchsing my TV later today and will inquire about the lease. I figure now I have incredible leverage, if they signed a lease for May 15h on her. Since I have offically not been given ANY written notice from her or the PM on the offical date of vacating, in fact our letter from 6 weeks ago showed June 1st, not May 15th. So, I belive she is a bit of a legal bind since technically, if this in fact is the case, would have two legally binding leases that are overlapping by two months.

What I plan to do is wait until either later this evening, after I talked to the gentelman about the TV and the lease, to call my LL and force her to make a decision, either May 15th or honor the written lease until July 4th and get it in writing as a lease addedum sent CRRR etc.. etc...

It is a mess but I feel that my wife and I have the upper hand in this case as the LL is grasping at staws an was oblivous the other day that people were even intersted in the house.

Anyway, thanks for the advice...

John
 

longneck

Member
You'd be in a much better position to confront the LL if you have a copy of the lease from the new tenant. And you'd be in an EVEN BETTER position if the lease has been executed by both the LL and the new tenant.
 

jlusher

Junior Member
Landlord and Lease

Thanks for all of the replies.

My wife and I have planned to just wait and see what happens as it is becomming very obvious the house is about to be rented by someone else. In fact in a few minutes I meet with the PM to show the house to another prospective renter, third one in the last week and the house was just given a sign the other day and really been listed for only the past two weeks.

I expect that they will execute a lease very soon, in which case they will have an overlapping lease, which is a problem for the LL. So, in the end we will let the LL trap herself into a big mess because she appears not to be paying attention.

Again that for the help.

John
 

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