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Smarty Panties
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Brett_25 said:
Look on your states Dept of Human Services website. They should have the info you're seeking.
Welfare, etc
I'm a caseworker within the welfare system in Texas. Unless you are going to be able to produce EVIDENCE that she is working and making all this money- there is nothing you can do. I see it daily- and let me tell you something- we aren't stupid- we KNOW they have income coming into their home- but without a way to trace it and verify it- there isn't much to be done. The local DA's won't even take a welfare fraud case to be prosecuted without evidence.
INS doesn't care either- they are overloaded and swamped as it is. The only people I've seen the INS actually go after are employers who hire MANY illegal aliens and pay them under the table.
It's not going to be something you can do anything about.
Sorry.
I'm a caseworker within the welfare system in Texas. Unless you are going to be able to produce EVIDENCE that she is working and making all this money- there is nothing you can do. I see it daily- and let me tell you something- we aren't stupid- we KNOW they have income coming into their home- but without a way to trace it and verify it- there isn't much to be done. The local DA's won't even take a welfare fraud case to be prosecuted without evidence.
INS doesn't care either- they are overloaded and swamped as it is. The only people I've seen the INS actually go after are employers who hire MANY illegal aliens and pay them under the table.
It's not going to be something you can do anything about.
Sorry.
Ok so that's interesting. How would you trace or prove it, what information would you need? I know who her employer is aswell as located. She has a nice apartment for herself with nice things in it. She has no relatives in the US so I don't understand how she could just somehow afford all this on welfare..My only true interest in this is the fact that she is first committing fraud and secondly and more importantly well be affecting a fair estimate of child support due from me.. You are pretty much saying we don't care if she lies so we are going to take more money from you than deserved. that is totally unreasonable and unethical. What's fair and right is deserved and I have no qualms about that but in a larger picture of things its pretty much purely disgraceful such acts are allowed to happen.
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At least in KY, welfare recepients are required to provide bank statements showing how much they have. You are only allowed $X amount in ALL bank accounts, including those in your children's names. If the total amount exceeds the amount allowed, you lose benefits.
I imagine bank statements (assuming she has one and deposits the money into it) could also prove she is getting money elsewhere. Here, they do not care if it comes from an under-the-table job, relative, etc. If you get it regularly (as shown by bank statements), it counts. Maybe call the case manager and make a suggestion?
I imagine bank statements (assuming she has one and deposits the money into it) could also prove she is getting money elsewhere. Here, they do not care if it comes from an under-the-table job, relative, etc. If you get it regularly (as shown by bank statements), it counts. Maybe call the case manager and make a suggestion?
I dunno...
I find it highly unlikely that this female even has a bank account... I live in a town where there are a lot of illegal aliens on welfare, and most of them cash their checks at places like Mr. Payroll. Then there's no real paper trail. That's why I see them going to car dealerships and plunking down 20 grand in cash for a brand new car. Then there's those who drive a lincoln navigator, have $300 hair extensions, $50 fake nails, and a $5000 stereo system in their car. Welfare fraud is a common thing, it's just amtter of whether you know how to work the system. Apparently, this lady does. Best of luck to you, though.
I find it highly unlikely that this female even has a bank account... I live in a town where there are a lot of illegal aliens on welfare, and most of them cash their checks at places like Mr. Payroll. Then there's no real paper trail. That's why I see them going to car dealerships and plunking down 20 grand in cash for a brand new car. Then there's those who drive a lincoln navigator, have $300 hair extensions, $50 fake nails, and a $5000 stereo system in their car. Welfare fraud is a common thing, it's just amtter of whether you know how to work the system. Apparently, this lady does. Best of luck to you, though.
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oh look, it's my friend brett, who's going through the exact same cr*p as me.
brett, the mother of my child has a fairly well-off family with whom she lives with. they gave her a brand new car, she lives in a big house rent-free, and doesnt pay a lick of utilities, insurance, groceries or all the things that honest people pay out of their salary. she also doesnt work.
despite these luxuries, she's collecting welfare and health benefits from the state. free cash, just for having a vagina and being a mother. on top of it all, she's now also getting child support from me! i can only imagine how often she goes to the mall for the latest fashions.
i filed a welfare fraud complaint, but wouldnt you know it was quickly dismissed as unsubstantiated and malicious. they said i had to have receipts and paper evidence to prove she's being given these "gifts." how in heaven am i supposed to have access to her car receipt???
basically, brett, the state will continue to happily hand out welfare to our illegal aliens and single mothers, because it's so much easier than investigating fraud or forcing these parasites to actually work for a living.
like i said to you on the other thread, just accept it, man. BUT, if you want to play dirty, welfare fraud is NOT where it's at - THE STATE DOESNT CARE!
brett, the mother of my child has a fairly well-off family with whom she lives with. they gave her a brand new car, she lives in a big house rent-free, and doesnt pay a lick of utilities, insurance, groceries or all the things that honest people pay out of their salary. she also doesnt work.
despite these luxuries, she's collecting welfare and health benefits from the state. free cash, just for having a vagina and being a mother. on top of it all, she's now also getting child support from me! i can only imagine how often she goes to the mall for the latest fashions.
i filed a welfare fraud complaint, but wouldnt you know it was quickly dismissed as unsubstantiated and malicious. they said i had to have receipts and paper evidence to prove she's being given these "gifts." how in heaven am i supposed to have access to her car receipt???
basically, brett, the state will continue to happily hand out welfare to our illegal aliens and single mothers, because it's so much easier than investigating fraud or forcing these parasites to actually work for a living.
like i said to you on the other thread, just accept it, man. BUT, if you want to play dirty, welfare fraud is NOT where it's at - THE STATE DOESNT CARE!
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OOOO im not planting anything dude. no way in hell. If she wants to comit fraud that's on her but im not going to lie cheat or steal my way into anything and never will. Regarding if she has a bank account I do not believe she does she gets paid cash by her employer. Let me explain the living and working arrangement a little better to everyone. Over one year ago she was working for a company who sponsored her work visa. She was taking care of elderly people. She was living rent free and being paid 1000 dollars a month. She felt she could make more money so told the employer she found a better job with better pay doing the same kind of thing. Her employer informed her that if she did so she would become illegal sense there contract would be expired (i.e., I believe here work visa was going to need to be renewed). She got a job working for a private couple taking care of the wife's mother. After about 4 months of this the wife had a second child and asked her if she would also take care of her child while she was at work, after she became pregnant herself the couple offered her an apartment they have on there property for 600 a month. She took them up on the offer due to the fact living in close vicinity to work was beneficial. So im thinking so far I don't have any way of getting a receipt sense cash is used in there transaction would the use of a statement from the previous employer be beneficial? Would the use of a private investigator proving the mother and father of the child she is taking care are not leaving with the child to drop them off at day care, and that no one is coming over to make sure the kid any evedence.maybe im over looking any other possible leads. Will the judge be asking her why she is on welfare and doesn't have a job, questioning her at all?
LdiJ
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Brett_25 said:
This is fairly common (domestic service) and she is probably not recieving anywhere as near as much actual money from the couple as you think. Since she was over here on a work visa she may have an actual social security number. She also has a child with a US birth certificate. That makes it possible for her to recieve welfare.
To all posters who have commented about welfare. It think that you need to be be aware just how much is possible to collect in welfare benefits if you have just one child. It might make you think twice.
You get medicaid. (Its great, but for normally healthy people its no more than the equivalent of a few hundred bucks a year...its a godsend however for people with kids who aren't particularly healthy or have serious medical issues)
You get 274.00 a month in food stamps (this is fairly generous if you know how to shop....however now a days you will be eating mostly chicken and tuna...beef and pork would be a "treat" unless you plan carefully for sales)
You get 239.00 a month in cash
You MAY get section 8 housing, but the waiting lists are LONG...many parents never get to the top of the waiting list before they get off welfare.
You also qualify for WIC if the child is small...however unless you have an infant its just a supplement to the food stamps. WIC is really more for low income parents who don't qualify for welfare.
You also may get educational assistance and daycare assistance so that you can go to school, so that you can GET a job.
If you are recieving child support, you only get 50.00 of the child support payment, the rest goes to the state to repay the welfare benefits....unless of course the amount of child support is high enough to disqualify the parent completely from welfare. However a low income parent who is recieving child support may still qualify for SOME food stamps (not necessarily the full amount) and medicaid...without losing any of the child support.
Believe me, nobody is shopping at the mall for designer clothes on the amount a parent with one child gets from welfare.
Think about it? Try paying for utilities, gas, paper products, toiletries etc., on a maximum of 239.00 plus 50.00....let ALONE yard sale/goodwill quality clothes. Even if you are lucky enough to get a free place to live...try just providing the basic necessities on 239.00 plus 50.00...it doesn't go far.
To repeat....If your ex is on welfare....he/she IS NOT getting welfare PLUS your child support. he/she is getting welfare plus 50.00 of your child support.
So please quityourwhining about welfare parents....its not the life of luxury/leisure that people imagine. Most people are DESPERATE to get off welfare. The only parents who might be better off on welfare are those that can't earn more than about 10.00 an hour, have multiple children and whose salary would be eaten up in daycare costs.
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I agree with Ldij completely. However, I have heard of people abusing the system. That costs tax payers money and prevents some people, who need the welfare, from getting it. I only mentioned the bank statements as a possibility, but I guess it was a poor idea.
I am currently on welfare myself while attending school full-time AND working. I realize different states do things differently, but this is what my case worker told me:
People can only be on welfare for five years total, in their entire life time (this statement doesn't include medical or food stamps). If you have an infant under one year old, you do not have to work or go to school. If you have a child or children older than that, you have the option of attending post-secondary school (full time, satisfactory progress) for a total of 24 months. Other than that, you HAVE to work. If you are unemployed, you HAVE to register at the employment office and provide evidence you are searching for a job. If offered one (can be verified through employment office), you have to take it. The only other way to get out of working is to be disabled.
Having said that, I do have an opinion about the mother going shopping and getting help others. You only shop for necessities!!! I do buy my son things from the mall IF they are on sale. I recently bought myself clothes, only b/c it is REQUIRED for my current practicum and internship next semester. Prior to this shopping excursion, I had not shopped for myself since my son was born. I have a car (thanks to my parents) and it is not a reason to be disqualified. My ex MIL pays a couple bills (cable, internet) for me on a monthly basis. Again, not a reason to be disqualified. It has nothing to do with fraudulent activity, so long as it is reported.
Each case is different and welfare laws apply differently. W/o looking at all of the evidence and papers from the welfare office, it is impossible to look at this objectively. But I'm pretty confident that welfare is only for five years total (I know it is here, confident elsewhere). When you apply, you have to disclose any benefits received previously from any and all states.
I am currently on welfare myself while attending school full-time AND working. I realize different states do things differently, but this is what my case worker told me:
People can only be on welfare for five years total, in their entire life time (this statement doesn't include medical or food stamps). If you have an infant under one year old, you do not have to work or go to school. If you have a child or children older than that, you have the option of attending post-secondary school (full time, satisfactory progress) for a total of 24 months. Other than that, you HAVE to work. If you are unemployed, you HAVE to register at the employment office and provide evidence you are searching for a job. If offered one (can be verified through employment office), you have to take it. The only other way to get out of working is to be disabled.
Having said that, I do have an opinion about the mother going shopping and getting help others. You only shop for necessities!!! I do buy my son things from the mall IF they are on sale. I recently bought myself clothes, only b/c it is REQUIRED for my current practicum and internship next semester. Prior to this shopping excursion, I had not shopped for myself since my son was born. I have a car (thanks to my parents) and it is not a reason to be disqualified. My ex MIL pays a couple bills (cable, internet) for me on a monthly basis. Again, not a reason to be disqualified. It has nothing to do with fraudulent activity, so long as it is reported.
Each case is different and welfare laws apply differently. W/o looking at all of the evidence and papers from the welfare office, it is impossible to look at this objectively. But I'm pretty confident that welfare is only for five years total (I know it is here, confident elsewhere). When you apply, you have to disclose any benefits received previously from any and all states.
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My extended comments about playing dirty was misconstrued, so I edited it out. The point I (failed) to make was that the State of California could care less about some mom - legal or not - who is collecting welfare under false pretenses. The amount of money, resources and staff that would go into investigating and prosecuting a welfare fraud charge would far overshadow the monetary loss of said fraud. So don't waste your time, Brett, in pursuing it. Been there done that; I came out looking like that bad guy for requesting an investigation.
As for LdiJ: you are right, a TRUE low-income parent who cant get a break will use their aid to the last cent. But someone like the mother of MY child, who has everything she needs already and is only collecting welfare/child support so she can have MORE (the American way), is the reason I have total contempt for her AND the system.
As for cmorris: the mother of my child is sitting at home watching TLC, occasionally playing with the baby and has no interest in working; why should she? No one - especially the State - is making her. Five years of lazing around the house like a cat is pretty sweet. Registering with EDD? Reporting gifts? Ha ha, where do you live, The Perfect State?
As for LdiJ: you are right, a TRUE low-income parent who cant get a break will use their aid to the last cent. But someone like the mother of MY child, who has everything she needs already and is only collecting welfare/child support so she can have MORE (the American way), is the reason I have total contempt for her AND the system.
As for cmorris: the mother of my child is sitting at home watching TLC, occasionally playing with the baby and has no interest in working; why should she? No one - especially the State - is making her. Five years of lazing around the house like a cat is pretty sweet. Registering with EDD? Reporting gifts? Ha ha, where do you live, The Perfect State?
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I live in KY (until I graduate in May). Even though I go to school and have a job, I was required to go to the employment office and fill out all the paperwork. My reasoning is to ensure that if I lost my job, I could immediately start looking there. I am doing the 24-months school (getting 4 year degree, but didn't have my son until two years ago) starting this semester, so I'm not even required to work. But I still had to fill out the paperwork. I just choose to work b/c the money is definately needed.
"Gifts" that are irregular (birthday, holiday, one-time thing, etc) do not need to be reported. But if it is regular (as in the case of my ex MIL paying some monthly bills) it is to be reported. If, for some reason, I didn't and my case worker found out, I would be immediately off of welfare. There are lots of people who receive help from welfare offices, so it is hard to prove fraud, things not reported, etc. But there is always a chance. And if I was not in school and choose to be unemployed, I wouldn't get any help (aside from medical only for my son). Differences in states, I guess.