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fairisfair
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sorry...eme said:fair~are you trying to convince rmet she is wrong about something...come on now we all know she is the all knowing all powerful keeper of the FA crystal ball
I would give anything to be able to deactivate her cut and paste function
have you heard any thing about you know who??
What I said was,fairisfair said:
If you go to this link, you will notice that many states have confidentiality disclaimers either isted on the site or on the individual court websites. So not every case is available to the public except for addresses and SSNs. http://www.ncsconline.org/WC/Publications/StateLinks/PriPubStateLinks.htm
http://judicial.kscourts.org:7780/pls/coa2/clerks_office.request_case
http://www.kscourts.org/orab.htm
The Kansas Courts,The Open Records Act, and You ...
A Guide to Judicial Branch Open Records Requests
* What records are available?
* Exceptions to the Act
* Requesting a record
* Applicable Fees
* Could my request be denied?
* Frequently asked questions
Also see the text of Administrative Order 156, attached Forms & Procedures, and additional Explanatory Information
"Sunshine is the strongest antiseptic-its rays may penetrate areas previously closed....This is not to say that all documents in public offices are open to inspection; only those required by law to be kept and maintained must be made available. The latter, however, must be open for inspection under penalty of law." - Former Chief Justice Robert H. Miller, State ex rel Stephan v. Harder, 230 Kan. 573, 581, 641 P.2d 366 (1982).
What records are available?
Many records maintained by the Kansas courts are open for inspection. Commonly requested records include:
* Statistical data regarding trial and appellate court performance
* Court budgets
* Court case files and transcripts
* Final civil and criminal judgments
Exceptions to the Open Records Act
The Kansas Open Records Act recognizes that some records contain information that is private in nature. For this reason, the Act lists a number of exceptions. Some of the common court records closed by statute include:
* Adoption records
* Personal information of public employees
* Certain criminal investigation records
* Search warrants, unless entered into evidence
* Expunged criminal records
* Many child-in-need-of-care and juvenile records
* Grand jury proceedings
Other specifically exempt records are listed in K.S.A. 45-221 and others may be exempt pursuant to judicial order or caselaw.
Requesting a record
When requesting a record from the Kansas courts, the most likely records custodian will be the clerk of the court. Check with the records custodian or the local Freedom of Information Officer to determine whether the information that you need is available.
You may be asked to submit your request in writing. The records custodian may have a prepared form for this purpose. Make sure your request is as specific as possible so that your request may be filled quickly and completely. The records custodian may ask detailed questions in order to fulfill your request accurately.
Most records will be produced within three business days from the time the request is received. If the request is denied or delayed, you will receive a written explanation for the delay or denial.
If you have any questions about your request, you may contact the local Freedom of Information Officer or Ron Keefover, the Kansas Judicial Branch Freedom of Information Officer at:
Office of Judicial Administration
Kansas Judicial Center
301 S.W. 10th Street
Topeka, KS 66612
(785) 296-2256
(785) 296-7076 (fax)
e-mail:keefover@kscourts.org
Applicable fees
The per page fees to be paid for copies of any records are set locally. In addition, for requests that require a search or concentrated attention of the records custodian, a per-hour fee may be assessed. The clerk of the district court will be able to advise you of the current fees for record searches and copying.
No district court employee may conduct a search that requires making legal determinations, such as whether a judgment is still current or that a lien exists.
Could my request be denied?
Although every effort will be made to provide the information requested, it is not always possible to fulfill the request. There are a number of reasons that a request may be denied, including:
* The record does not exist.
* The record requested is not maintained by the office where the request was made.
* The request was unclear or vague and needs to be resubmitted.
* The record that was requested is closed under the exceptions listed at K.S.A. 45-221, or caselaw in this area.
Frequently asked questions
Q. What juvenile offender files are open?
A. Generally, for cases after July 1, 1997, "official file" documents within juvenile court files are open unless ordered closed by a judge. However, certain juvenile court file reports and documents contain social history and other sensitive information. These "social file" documents are filed separately and are confidential.
Q. Can I ask for a court file and browse through it while I'm in the court office?
A. If the information in the file is open, you will be allowed to request the file and look at it, but you will not be allowed to remove the file from the office.
Every Court is different...
in terms of getting copies. Some I have been able to request by fax and wasn't charged anything. No self addressed stamped enveloped not required.
Some I have requested by mailing in a request with the name of the court and information pertaining to the case, and they haven't charged me anything. Just had to send a self addressed stamped envelope when I mailed the request.
Some have charged a very minimal fee.
Some courts within the same county have different procedures to get public records.
The first alleged father's actual DNA results didn't appear in the record. Documents show the case was dismissed against him, because the DNA test was negative. His SSN wasn't listed, but his address was.
Every court I have obtained documents from, have made it very clear what is public record and what isn't. And every clerk I have dealt with value their jobs too much to provide information they shouldn't.
As I said before I will not be using any information on the first alleged father for any reason. And I won't be using my original post issue of medical expenses for anything either.
Changing the subject
As far as SSN's go, many states have UCC records that are available to the public. Just type in any common name in the search. You can find the person's SSN, address, phone #. On some documents their birthdate and others even their signature appear. No one has attempted to block out all of the personal information.
These records are being put on the internet thru government agencies(Clerks of Courts Offices, etc. Example: Jeb Bush in Flordia. The Governor had his SSN blocked out, from a financial document. But any one else in that state with a name close to his, still have very personal information shown and available for anyone to view.
People need to keep in mind, that just because a clerk says you can't have some information on someone, doesn't mean it can't be found a different way, and it can be obtained legally because our government agencies made the info available thru the internet. I personally wouldn't ever try to get information on someone without going thru the proper legal channels. If you want to learn more about this and how easy it is for a person to be a victim of identity theft, just do a search, typing in Virginia Watchdog. She'll give you the whole scoop!
in terms of getting copies. Some I have been able to request by fax and wasn't charged anything. No self addressed stamped enveloped not required.
Some I have requested by mailing in a request with the name of the court and information pertaining to the case, and they haven't charged me anything. Just had to send a self addressed stamped envelope when I mailed the request.
Some have charged a very minimal fee.
Some courts within the same county have different procedures to get public records.
The first alleged father's actual DNA results didn't appear in the record. Documents show the case was dismissed against him, because the DNA test was negative. His SSN wasn't listed, but his address was.
Every court I have obtained documents from, have made it very clear what is public record and what isn't. And every clerk I have dealt with value their jobs too much to provide information they shouldn't.
As I said before I will not be using any information on the first alleged father for any reason. And I won't be using my original post issue of medical expenses for anything either.
Changing the subject
As far as SSN's go, many states have UCC records that are available to the public. Just type in any common name in the search. You can find the person's SSN, address, phone #. On some documents their birthdate and others even their signature appear. No one has attempted to block out all of the personal information.
These records are being put on the internet thru government agencies(Clerks of Courts Offices, etc. Example: Jeb Bush in Flordia. The Governor had his SSN blocked out, from a financial document. But any one else in that state with a name close to his, still have very personal information shown and available for anyone to view.
People need to keep in mind, that just because a clerk says you can't have some information on someone, doesn't mean it can't be found a different way, and it can be obtained legally because our government agencies made the info available thru the internet. I personally wouldn't ever try to get information on someone without going thru the proper legal channels. If you want to learn more about this and how easy it is for a person to be a victim of identity theft, just do a search, typing in Virginia Watchdog. She'll give you the whole scoop!
fairisfair
Senior Member
good luck OP, arguing with rmet, is like convincing my pitbull not to eat toilet paper.
have fun, my day is done.
have fun, my day is done.
That one cracked me up!!!
Thanks fairisfair!!!!
I need a little laugh in all of the chaos of my brother's case to begin with.
My ribs will hurt all night from rolling on the floor from laughter. I will probably see toilet paper in my dreams.
Thanks!
You made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks fairisfair!!!!
I need a little laugh in all of the chaos of my brother's case to begin with.
My ribs will hurt all night from rolling on the floor from laughter. I will probably see toilet paper in my dreams.
Thanks!
You made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More and more records are being made confidential or access limited in efforts to prevent ID theft. That being said, You have no purpost whatsoever to delve into those old records your brother owes for his child, the other putative father's court records are none of your business, and since the case was dismissed, no one would be able to enforce the bills since he wasn't proved to be the father and it has been too long, Since your brother has an active case, he does owe the money and it is the court's discretion as to whether or not they enforce the bills or charge interest. Fair was only trying to tell you what you wanted to hear.
Well, someone has to address the facts. I hate people using absolute statements when they are not indicates almost as much as I hate having my words misquoted! The FA Crystal Ball, sends it's regards. You know who has been around but no posts on the new monikers so not sure if it is really him or not.sorry...eme said:fair~are you trying to convince rmet she is wrong about something...come on now we all know she is the all knowing all powerful keeper of the FA crystal ball
I must not be talking loud enough!!!!
U]My brother owes nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/U] This is a very responsible loving father, that provides everything his child needs. And not just the child's physical needs.
He has had primary physical custody of his son since 2000!!!!!! The MOM pays NO CHILD SUPPORT!!!!! SHE DOESN'T PROVIDE FINANCIALLY & DOESN'T CARE FOR THIS CHILD IN ANYWAY A MOTHER SHOULD. I CAN HONESTLY SAY SHE IS A VERY POOR EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MOM SHOULD BE TO HER CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!! The MOM owes Dad money from 1999 ordered by the court. He will never see that money and he doesn't lose sleep over it.
Dad has paid all medical expenses and all child support due thru Nov 2000, which was 5months after KS changed primary custody to him. He owes no one any money for this child The only thing he owes is to his child. And that would be to continue providing him with a loving stable environment & protecting his child to the best of his ability.
As far as me looking at my brother’s court documents, he's the one that gave me these documents. He needed help organizing everything, because of the last 11 yrs. of being in and out of court. If the MOM was a responsible caring parent that she should be, there wouldn't be 11 yrs. worth of stuff to organize. The attorney was aware of my helping before my brother hired him. His attorney has given me his blessing to help organize and get the information to him.
The MOTHER has had her visitation rights suspended until further court order. She is hiding as usual and hasn't made contact with her child for over 6 months. This is a pattern that has gone on for years. Won't give courts and Dad court ordered information. Providing something as simple as her phone #, address and employer information is just too difficult for her. That is just the tip of the iceberg as to why my brother has custody of the child.
The motion to restrict Mom's visitation this summer was directly related to her conduct and other important issues that has put this child's safety in jeopardy. My brother has in no way interfered with the relationship between the child and the Mom. The Judge made this decision on facts presented to him from court documents of the MOTHER'S actions from last year and previous years.
As far as the first alleged father, I never said or implied that he owed money for medical expenses. I know he doesn't. He isn't the father!!!! I merely stated the discrepancy the Mom listed in medical costs against my brother when she filed the child support petition.
U]My brother owes nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/U] This is a very responsible loving father, that provides everything his child needs. And not just the child's physical needs.
He has had primary physical custody of his son since 2000!!!!!! The MOM pays NO CHILD SUPPORT!!!!! SHE DOESN'T PROVIDE FINANCIALLY & DOESN'T CARE FOR THIS CHILD IN ANYWAY A MOTHER SHOULD. I CAN HONESTLY SAY SHE IS A VERY POOR EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MOM SHOULD BE TO HER CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!! The MOM owes Dad money from 1999 ordered by the court. He will never see that money and he doesn't lose sleep over it.
Dad has paid all medical expenses and all child support due thru Nov 2000, which was 5months after KS changed primary custody to him. He owes no one any money for this child The only thing he owes is to his child. And that would be to continue providing him with a loving stable environment & protecting his child to the best of his ability.
As far as me looking at my brother’s court documents, he's the one that gave me these documents. He needed help organizing everything, because of the last 11 yrs. of being in and out of court. If the MOM was a responsible caring parent that she should be, there wouldn't be 11 yrs. worth of stuff to organize. The attorney was aware of my helping before my brother hired him. His attorney has given me his blessing to help organize and get the information to him.
The MOTHER has had her visitation rights suspended until further court order. She is hiding as usual and hasn't made contact with her child for over 6 months. This is a pattern that has gone on for years. Won't give courts and Dad court ordered information. Providing something as simple as her phone #, address and employer information is just too difficult for her. That is just the tip of the iceberg as to why my brother has custody of the child.
The motion to restrict Mom's visitation this summer was directly related to her conduct and other important issues that has put this child's safety in jeopardy. My brother has in no way interfered with the relationship between the child and the Mom. The Judge made this decision on facts presented to him from court documents of the MOTHER'S actions from last year and previous years.
As far as the first alleged father, I never said or implied that he owed money for medical expenses. I know he doesn't. He isn't the father!!!! I merely stated the discrepancy the Mom listed in medical costs against my brother when she filed the child support petition.
What is your quesiton then? You didn't need to vent here to help your brother organize his documents, all you needed was indet tabs, dividers, binder, hole punch and acces to a scaner.