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rm1759

Member
What is the name of your state?FL

Some of you will have seen some of my other posts on this subject, but here is some history. Mom passed away last monday. State is Florida, we had joint legal, with her as the primary residential parent. Mom, daughter (8) and grandmother all lived together for daughter's entire life. Ever since BM was diagnosed as terminal, we have been getting along well. I haven't seen much of my daughter for the last two months, except for frequent short visits, because I wanted her to spend as much time as possible with mom.

Daughter is still in her grandmother's house. I want to make a gradual transition to my home over the next 6 weeks, adding 1 overnight per week. I know that grandma wants custody, but I also hope that we don't begin any kind of fighting for daughter's sake. I want grandma to continue to be an important part of her life.

Also, we live about an hour apart. I would like DD to finish out the year in her current school (4 weeks left). I am willing to do the drive, but grandma works at the school, so it's convenient for her, plus she wants to do it, and I am ok with it as long as we can get along, and there are no legal ramifications.

Questions:

1) I have been told I can just go and get daughter now, but I would like to do this with the transition approach, am I "opening the door" for grandma to go for custody b/c I am allowing her to stay there for these 6 weeks?

2) I am also filing to terminate child support, arrears, and name me as the primary residential parent, the judge wants a death certificate. Is it extremely important for me to get this petition filed (ex-parte, I'd rather grandma was unaware of it, unless it becomes necessary) before grandma tries to file a temporary custody order?

3) Grandma keeps telling me she will get me the cert. soon, but it's been 10 days now, and still no copy of the death certificate. I have checked online, but it is not listed in the county's records, is there any way to get a certified copy of this sooner?

4) DD is in counseling, and the counselor and I are on the same page. I have not explicitly told grandma that DD will be living with me (I am trying to make everything go as smooth as possible, I think it's still too soon for her, she just lost her only daughter). If we make any kind of agreements between gma and I in front of the therapist (such as "Dad has custody of DD, but we want her to continue in school, so gma will provide after school care for DD until the end of the term."). If the therapist' testifies to this, could that be a tool in case she tries to go for custody, and claims that I was willing for her to have custody by letting her stay there?

5) I really feel like there's no good solution for this, any other advice on a course of action that will ensure that a) I have sole custody and b) still keep a good relationship with grandma?


6) if gma were to try to get a temp. custody order, would she have to serve me first, or could she do it ex-parte? (I believe that's the right term)

7) any other suggestions?
 


Why can't you just look up the Office of Vital Records where mom lived and go get a copy of the Death Certificate yourself?
 

rm1759

Member
Right, this is what I tried, in my county it is online now, it is still not in the records. I am not sure how long it takes to get filed.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Try calling the OVR. It may be that there's a backlog. Concoct a story for grandma why you need a copy - an insurance policy that needs a cert to payout your child's benefits. SS money. Unfortunately, money talks in a lot of cases, and that may be enough to get her to cough it up.

I must commend you on your sensitivity for both your child and your former MIL.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Call the office of vital statistics and see if the death certificate is ready, sometimes there is a delay, if it is ready you should be able to get a certified copy as you wait. I say call first because you live an hour away. What county are you filing in? Because you had joint custody, you automatically have sole custody, but grandma, because she is caring for the child is entitled to child support while she has the child there until school is out. You are taking a reasonable approach. If the death certificate is not ready, call the court and see if the judge will take other proof, such as death notices, etc. Don't forget to apply for social security benefits to be transfered to you for your child, you will become representive payee as the custodial parent.

By all means, take your child for all weekends and see if you can pick up the child after school on Fridays and return the child to school on Mondays in the morning and as many evenings as possible between now and school ending. Be sure to make arrangements for childcare while you work and after you get the court orders, plan on allowing grandma liberal visitaiton, such as on several weekends a month and possible some extended time during school hollidays, so a part of your transition plan might be to have the child for 1 whole week and then grandmas 1 whole week, then two weeks each, then you with 3 weeks and her 1 week, then you the remaining time until the end of summer and begin the everyother weekend schedule for grandma to have the child for visitaiton. That allows for a transition, there may be some additional cost for child care this way because you may have to pay when the child is not there but is will be better for your child and grandma will have little to contest. Hopefully you can come to a reasonable agreement insofar as visitation and that you will be able to include grandma in holiday celebrations as a family member.
 
There has to be a physical office somewhere that you can go to or call and get some answers. You should be able to take care of that on your own, without g'ma having to help you with it.

As far as the other part of your situation ... why do you not feel comfortable with bringing your daughter home NOW but letting her stay in the same school with grandma watching her after school like you thought g'ma would agree to anyway?

It seems to me that your baby girl would still get to spend a lot of time with both of you but your legal rights would be much better protected!

There is no getting around it that the situation is hard and painful for all involved but you still have to be careful and wise.

I am sorry that you are going through this, it must be very difficult. Good luck with everything!
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
he already has his legal rights and it's highly doubtful they would be taken away, while what you suggest about gm providing after school care but child living with dad sounds nice, they live an hour apart
 

rm1759

Member
I did tell grandma that I needed the cert. to daughter on my health insurance (it's not open enrollment). Last week she said she would have it by monday, yesterday she said she got it, but there were mistakes, so they were going to have to redo it. This is what got me suspicious that she may be just stalling and doing something else I am not aware of. (Like filing an emergency petition for temp. custody) I've been burned before by mom and grandma during the custody battle when I was trying to keep the peace, and I don't want to get burned again.

does anyone know if there is anything I should be concerned about as far as any type of temp. custody order? Or am I just getting worried over nothing?

rmet, that is a good idea about alternating weeks for a while. If we are still communicating well, and she is supportive of daughter, then I will bring that up with her. It will take a couple of weeks for the child support order to work it's way through the system, so the checks will still be going to the mother, grandma will be cashing them and using them for daughter while in her care. (that might come back to haunt me, but the money really isn't the issue)
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
i don't think gm can legally cash dead daugthers checks, but you may want to send her a check personally to cover your daughters expenses
 

rm1759

Member
WANNACRY said:
he already has his legal rights and it's highly doubtful they would be taken away, while what you suggest about gm providing after school care but child living with dad sounds nice, they live an hour apart

Actually, I would not mind doing the hour drive in the morning before school, and then picking her up after work from grandmas. But I KNOW that grandma will be upset if I say right now daughter is spending every night with me. I think it will be easier for her if I do it slowly over time, plus I think she won't feel as involved as she was before. I realize that irregardless it will be hard on her, but I really don't know of a better way to go about it...
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Go to the OVS today and get a copy of death certificate mistakes and all, then it can be corrected if needed, then go to the court. Grandma, cannot cash the checks made out to her daughter after her death, the CSE must be informed immediately of the death so they can immediately stop the garnishment and not issue new checks, if grandma is to get the money it is to be appropriately issued, take care of that today as well. You may need some time off from work to do all of this and you may have to apply for FMLA if you are eligible for it.
 
Ahh, I missed the hour apart part. I understnd.

It is very commendable how compasionate you are to all.

Just be careful - you wouldn't have asked about g'ma being able to file for temporary custody if there wasn't a risk of it.

Like another poster said g'ma could be entitled to child support while the child is staying with her and finishing out the school year and such and if you get yourself in a position that you are paying g'ma for support, child is living with g'ma, child goes to school in g'ma's district ... well, just be careful while you are bing compasionate.

Be sure to discuss everything with your attorney so that you don't end up in a perdicament because you were being the nice guy.
 

rm1759

Member
WANNACRY said:
i don't think gm can legally cash dead daugthers checks, but you may want to send her a check personally to cover your daughters expenses


She and grandma have a joint checking account, so I think she's alright as far as that goes, but I will ask her.

I called the records office, and they do not have the cert. filed yet.
 

rm1759

Member
rmet4nzkx said:
Go to the OVS today and get a copy of death certificate mistakes and all, then it can be corrected if needed, then go to the court. Grandma, cannot cash the checks made out to her daughter after her death, the CSE must be informed immediately of the death so they can immediately stop the garnishment and not issue new checks, if grandma is to get the money it is to be appropriately issued, take care of that today as well. You may need some time off from work to do all of this and you may have to apply for FMLA if you are eligible for it.

OVS says they do not have it filed yet. Can I get it from the funeral home? What is FMLA?

Yes, I do have concerns about grandma filing for custody. If she has any chance of it, she will do whatever it takes to get it. This is why I want to be sure all of my bases are covered. And it's not just me being the nice guy, all too often we get too caught up in the legalities and forget there's an 8 yo girl involved. If I walked up there to grandma's house, court order in hand, with a sheriff, demanding my daughter, there will be some crying and upset people. She has enough to deal with as it is.
 
I don't have any legal advise. SORRY.
I just wanted to write to commend you for you compasion. It is soooooo rare that parents think of the childs feelings first. Not only are you considering your daughters feelings, you are also considering g/m also. You are a stand-up guy :D
I hope that everything works out for you. You and your child certainly deserve it!!!!!

GOOD LUCK!!! :)
 

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