National Guard Deployment

[signalfreq]

I am a soldier of the Alabama Army National Guard, and have been one for 6 months after serving 8 years in the Regular Army. After Sept 11, 2001, I have desperately tried to deploy, and now I realize that I should have been careful as to what I asked for. Lesson learned.

The unit that I am assigned to is an embarassment. They didn't even know to salute the flag for revillie, or retreat, or even taps. My commander brought me into her office to show her how to do a company risk assessment. I'm a Specialist/E-4. And now we are due to deploy very soon, and I'm very afraid that one of these morons, especially the commander is going to do something insanely stupid, and get me killed.

We are currently under stop-loss. My ETS date falls on the day after we mobilize. I only signed a 1 year contract with the guard. I have no problem with going to Iraq, and defending my country, but I have GOT to get the hell OUT of this particular deployment. I have a very colorful military history, and many resources to use to this objective. I just don't know how to use them. Rumor has it that if you're within 90 days of your ETS date, the stop-loss doesn't affect you. After researching it on my own, I could only find where that applies to active duty soldiers. Currently, I'm full-time guard, but I'm NOT AGR, I'm ADSW, which still falls under title 32 I believe.

Somebody -- Anybody, help me out on this one... I'll buy you a beer !!!

 

[Crazed98]

It is the National Gaurd what do you expect.

I am sure they will get there act together by the time they deploy.

What kind of unit is it signal (I am guessing by your username)???

Other than that I don't really know if you would fall under 32 since you are still attached to the NG unit but I am sure someone on here would know.

 

[signalfreq]

Yeah, the National Guard needs all the help it can get. Ironically, however, everyone here likes to refuse every bit of good advice that I provide. I'm currently in a chemical unit, which was an engineer unit less than a year ago. And now it's going to the Middle East as MPs. The motto on our crest is "We Can Adapt", LOL. But yeah, I'm a commo guy.

I'm still researching if re-enlisting for another unit will override a stop loss. The only info I can find on stop loss applies only to Regular Army soldiers. Regardless, the commander has made it very clear to me that she will not cooperate with me on my endeavor, and so, I have to persue this in a manner in which she has no control over. And time is ticking fast... I have only a few months left.

 

[Davidzill]

Did you SRP yet? If not, think of something creative to stall your deployment status, I.E. some kind of medical issue...like what I did. It is rediculous you have to deploy, your ETS date falling the day after you deploy. I was in the Marines, and from what I got from my friends still in, if your contract ends at all when you are supposed to be in country, they don't send you. It sounds like you are in a typical gaurd unit, and trust me plenty of them will either die or be severly wounded, because of sever lack of situational awairness. Someone will drive over a coke bottle that is full of c-4 and lose their arms and legs. Get out man while you can.

 

[signalfreq]

If I re-enlisted for another unit, that would be good. Technically, I'd be on a new contract, and if they tried to stop me, and tell me that I'm under stop-loss with my current unit, all I'd have to do is file for a breach of contract, lol.

No doubt... I know exactly what you mean man. Yes, I did already SRP, but word on the street has it, that there's another one after we get mobilized and sent to NJ. I can go the medical route, as I've had hip surgery, and I have a P2 profile, but I passed my last SRP.

I could apply for "consiencious objector" status, but that is a very complicated process that I don't have enough time for. I could also tell my commander that I'm a fag, but if she asked me to prove it, I'd be screwed.

If worse comes to worse, I'll dissappear when we get to Germany, and sign in with my old unit down in Stuttgart, after they already leave. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[signalfreq]

I got a recruiter looking into this for me... so far, nothing...

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

I have no problem with going to Iraq, and defending my country

My response:

Defending this country against what - - a bunch of Sand Monkeys? When did Iraq ever pose a threat to the United States of America?

Oh, please. The only reason you're going is because someone has filled your head with a bunch of propaganda. There is no war. It's another Korea and Vietnam.

Iraq is a vacuum. Once we leave, it will implode like a broken lightbulb, and go back to whatever the hell it was before we got there. It's a political and strategic waste of time. Democracy in a camel country? Oh, give me a break! They have thousands of years of history living as they do. They love it that way, and that's the way it will return. What a joke to believe that Bush is, somehow, going to change something that has existed as it has in only a few years. Besides, Iraq is surrounded by non-democratic nations. Do you seriously believe that those countries are going to allow Iraq to be "free" and Democratic? Not on your life - - which, sadly, will probably be the case - - your life.

You're wasting your time by following that idiot Bush. There was never anything there that would have threatened this country. He only ordered that attack because he was trying to vindicate his father's failures in 1991.

You will, however, probably get killed over there, or at the very least, seriously maimed. And for what?


IAAL

 

[Davidzill]

I don't think re-upping to avoid stop loss is the logical route here. You heard Donald testify in front of the Senate last week; he thinks the war may last another twelve years. This war is unlike no other we've ever been engaged in; it's a pure political and strategic blunder. Democracy will never ever prevail in Mesopotamia nor any country in that geographical area that has lived in a warring city state/ tribal lifestyle almost since the beginning of recorded history thousands upon thousands of years ago. The president needs to fire every one of his advisers; they're obviously not the greatest. Our country's occupation in Iraq is providing for most effective terrorists training/ recruitment in history. The current word is that more Al qaeda are being trained and carrying out International operations in Iraq than when the Taliban controled Afghanistan before we went in. Wow this war is making us safer. Thats what the president said, right?

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

I don't think re-upping to avoid stop loss is the logical route here. You heard Donald testify in front of the Senate last week; he thinks the war may last another twelve years. This war is unlike no other we've ever been engaged in; it's a pure political and strategic blunder. Democracy will never ever prevail in Mesopotamia nor any country in that geographical area that has lived in a warring city state/ tribal lifestyle almost since the beginning of recorded history thousands upon thousands of years ago. The president needs to fire every one of his advisers; they're obviously not the greatest. Our country's occupation in Iraq is providing for most effective terrorists training/ recruitment in history. The current word is that more Al qaeda are being trained and carrying out International operations in Iraq than when the Taliban controled Afghanistan before we went in. Wow this war is making us safer. Thats what the president said, right?

My comment:

Exactly. In 2001, we believed that idiot, and we all waved our Flags and were just gnashing our teeth at the bit to kill those *******s "that attacked us."

Well, we followed a fool. We, as a country, have been duped by that idiot Bush and his cronies.

And, to think, all of you Midwestern and Southern idiots voted him BACK into office. Well, you get, and got, what you deserved.

Well, 'cmon all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again
Got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam!

Put down your books, and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun!

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting four?


You know the rest.

Our men (boys) and women (girls) are getting killed and permanently injured for nothing!

Oh, and they estimate another 12 years?
Great - - then all of you new mommies will know where your children are going. That's why you gave birth - - so your kid can get killed!

How terrific. Thanks for "restocking" the ranks with your future soldier!

Just think, you can be the first on your block to say that you had a kid for nothing, and that his/her brains got splattered for that idiot Bush that YOU voted into office.

How do you feel now?


IAAL

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

I am a soldier of the Alabama Army National Guard, and have been one for 6 months after serving 8 years in the Regular Army. After Sept 11, 2001, I have desperately tried to deploy, and now I realize that I should have been careful as to what I asked for. Lesson learned.

My response:

Lesson learned?

You missed the big "lesson". You obviously missed your lessons in school when you were supposed to be learning about "history". Had you been in school, and listened, you would have learned about President Richard Milhouse Nixon - - the same idiot that Bush is desperately trying to emulate today. It was Nixon's Vietnam, and today it's Bush's Iraq.

You see, when you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.

But no, you weren't even in school.

I love how you Jar Heads follow blindly, and then when the reality smacks you in the face, you still follow blindly. Reality! What a concept!

Duh, yup, which way did he go, George? Which way did he go?

Thanks for protecting me! Thanks for dying for me. I wouldn't have it any other way! Just don't come home injured and maimed. I don't want to pay your lifelong medicals through taxation.

IAAL

 

[signalfreq]

I'm trying to get out of it, moron. That's what this whole post is about. You're preaching to the choir. And until you put yourself in my boots, you won't understand.

Now if you have something useful to say, by all means, please say so. But telling me a bunch of **** that I already know isn't getting me anywhere.

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

I'm trying to get out of it, moron. That's what this whole post is about. You're preaching to the choir. And until you put yourself in my boots, you won't understand.

Now if you have something useful to say, by all means, please say so. But telling me a bunch of **** that I already know isn't getting me anywhere.

My response:

God, how I LOVE dummies like you!!

You're the one that said, and I quote, "I have desperately tried to deploy (to Iraq), and now I realize that I should have been careful as to what I asked for. Lesson learned."

Lesson learned?

You were only trying to "get out of it" because your Unit is comprised of a bunch of Hillbillies and Dufus Dummies. Yet, you'd go anyway if you had a "good Unit"!

Please, go to that worthless country and "defend the United States"! Keep some Iraqi from throwing sand in my face!

You Southern dummies sure as hell are dumb. You fall for this kind of crap all the time. This will teach you to never vote for another idiot like Bush again. Or, maybe it won't. It's my understanding that Southern trailer trash have short memories.


IAAL

 

[signalfreq]

I didn't vote for Bush. I never did. I didn't vote at all. I didn't like my choices. The two main reasons I wanted to go to Iraq is:

1) To help the guy next to me.
2) To kill towel heads to make ME feel better.

Apparently, the guy next to me in THIS unit doesn't want my help. So now it's time to move on. I am fully aware that this war is stupid, and I never believed Bush's stale rhetoric from the start.

Now, if you want to have a political discussion about it, that's fine. We can do that. Keep in mind that a "stop-loss" is nearly the same thing as a draft. And you seem like the type of person that spit on soldiers (especially drafted ones who had no control over going, most of which disagreed witht the war too), because in your infinite wisdom, you never bothered to consider what is outside of a soldier's control.

I have fulfilled my contractual obligation, and now it's time to get the hell out. So if I do come back maimed, and I burden you with years of taxation to pay for my medical bills, just remember that it was outside of my control, you stupid pratz.

 

[signalfreq]

What's taking you so long to respond? Are you over there trying to put M&Ms in alphabetical order?

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

What's taking you so long to respond? Are you over there trying to put M&Ms in alphabetical order?

My response:

Another stupid Jar Head comment.

Respond to what? Your posts are full of contradictions. First you say that you wanted to go, then you said that "I am fully aware that this war is stupid, and I never believed Bush's stale rhetoric from the start."

There's nothing to respond to. The fact is, you're going. You got your wish.

IAAL