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Neighbors animals / roosters / and my legal options ?

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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
You sound like one of those people who thinks they have intimate knowledge of a completely unknown circumstance.
Maybe you didn’t read the intro. 2.3 acres is also semi rural. Roosters are banned. Ft. Collins recently passed a rooster ban for all acreage under 10. You don’t live in this neighborhood & no nothing about the actual abuse dished out by my neighbor. Is this your idea of being helpful ?

Wow!. Did you really log on to an anonymous internet forum full of absolute strangers and expect us to have intimate knowledge of your situation? Incredible.

Learn to live with it.
Speak to the folks at the HOA.
Speak to the folks at the local municipality.
Speak to a local attorney.

Those are your options.
 


FlyingRon

Senior Member
You're not IN the city limits of Ft C are you? Then that point is moot.

As you stated if they are not in violation of the county ordinances, then that's not a violation.

It's up to the HOA to enforce the HOA rules if that indeed bans such. It is possible if the HOA will not act, that you may beable to bring a suit on behalf of the HOA and affected properties. You should consult an attorney. If you have other affected neighbors, you may wish to band together to split the legal cost.
 

HRZ

Senior Member
WHere is the rooster ....free range or what..... one of my friends had a very noisy rooster out in open....hawk made short work of that one ....and a fox kept others limited ......
 

Klosty

Junior Member
Wow!. Did you really log on to an anonymous internet forum full of absolute strangers and expect us to have intimate knowledge of your situation? Incredible.

Learn to live with it.
Speak to the folks at the HOA.
Speak to the folks at the local municipality.
Speak to a local attorney.

Thats my point. How else could he be so conclusive. Incredible
 

not2cleverRed

Obvious Observer
Would the overall number of rule / law violations committed by my neighbor have any impact on resolving the rooster issue ? Example : multiple complaints to animal control from various neighbors regarding their 4 junk yard dogs. : Noisy Canadian geese / Wild turkeys (you should hear these things) / pigs etc. These people are a real joy.

Maybe they are, maybe they're not.

Every place I've lived has had noise.

When I lived in a large city I heard leafblowers at 10 PM every night in the parking garage across the street. Alarms - car alarms - were going off at all hours of the night. Any time some group wanted to protest at the nearby Federal Building, news helicopters would circle for hours. By contrast the emergency vehicles going to the ER 2 blocks away were quiet. I don't like that kind of noise, but clearly many people don't mind it.

If you don't like the lifestyle of the area you moved to, move someplace you'll actually like. Sure, you can try changing the law. That way, you can make over wherever you moved to into whatever you fled from.

Think about it.
 

xylene

Senior Member
OP, do you honestly think there is some sort of legal incantation you can say that will force the HOA to expend resources they don't have, using powers they aren't granted to deal with this.

You will have to expend your own resources or time and money. There is no way around that. And the cost may be significant.

I was vaguely sympathetic to your issue, but now that you are getting all hurt over that simple truth I'm kind of losing patience with your situation.
 

Shadowbunny

Queen of the Not-Rights
You're not IN the city limits of Ft C are you? Then that point is moot.

As you stated if they are not in violation of the county ordinances, then that's not a violation.

It's up to the HOA to enforce the HOA rules if that indeed bans such. It is possible if the HOA will not act, that you may beable to bring a suit on behalf of the HOA and affected properties. You should consult an attorney. If you have other affected neighbors, you may wish to band together to split the legal cost.

Based on his earlier post that the HOA reacted to HIS complaints about the roosters, I have a feeling that he's "that neighbor" and that the others aren't bothered by the sounds one expects when one moves to the country.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
You sound like one of those people who thinks they have intimate knowledge of a completely unknown circumstance.
Maybe you didn’t read the intro. 2.3 acres is also semi rural. Roosters are banned. Ft. Collins recently passed a rooster ban for all acreage under 10. You don’t live in this neighborhood & no nothing about the actual abuse dished out by my neighbor. Is this your idea of being helpful ?

You don't KNOW to use the word KNOW instead of NO. Is that your idea of realizing that that he gave you advice but you just don't like and therefore you decide to berate him and yet only made yourself look like a fool?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Run for president of the HOA.

Yeah, but if the HOA doesn't have the funds to pursue litigation, then being the president won't help him. He can write all the letters that he wants but without a way to enforce his will, he would be no better off than he is now.

And again, who defines what violates the noise clauses in the HOA CC&Rs? He complained about geese and wild turkeys also and those complaints cannot even be remotely viable, because wild animals are not under any human being's control.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Yeah, but if the HOA doesn't have the funds to pursue litigation, then being the president won't help him. He can write all the letters that he wants but without a way to enforce his will, he would be no better off than he is now.

And again, who defines what violates the noise clauses in the HOA CC&Rs? He complained about geese and wild turkeys also and those complaints cannot even be remotely viable, because wild animals are not under any human being's control.

Clarification: Wild animals (including wild geese) can be (and often are) controlled by humans.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Clarification: Wild animals (including wild geese) can be (and often are) controlled by humans.

Huh? Can you give me an example outside of a zoo or animal sanctuary? I do have a tax client who has a business humanely removing geese from properties and moving them elsewhere, but other than that, I do not understand what you are attempting to say. Are you trying to say that his neighbor is likely controlling the geese and wild turkeys on their property?
 

Taxing Matters

Overtaxed Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado. Hello, seems like a helpful community. My issue. We live in a semi rural area. ItÂ’s a small community, 35 houses mostly 5 acre lots. My neighbor has various types of animals but the ones at issue are her roosters. They are loud and obnoxious crowing throughout the day starting at approximately 4:00am. Unfortunately under the county animal zoning rules they are allowed to have roosters. Paraphrasing : 2.3 acres no roosters allowed / 5 acres roosters are ok. We have a homeowners association that forbids obnoxious noises odors etc. After my complaints the Homeowners association board sent them a letter demanding immediate removal of the roosters. The neighbor in question removed the offending roosters for one month than simply brought them back. The homeowners association is tiny with no enforcement arm. Any legal action would be up to me. Do I have any legal recourse? Lawsuit for loss of home value ? Violating the order of the homeowners association ? Thanks for any help

You have said that the zoning rules are not violated, so that avenue is obviously foreclosed to you. I would have to read the exact language of the HOA covenants and related rules and know more about the problem to determine if the noise from the roosters are violating anything with respect to the HOA rules.

The other option is to sue the neighbors for an order to abate a nuisance. Adjusterjack is wrong to suggest that simply because roosters are “farm animals” and make “farm animal noises” that this automatically means the keeping of the roosters is ok. The details of it matter a great deal. The Colorado Supreme Court in a 1931 case involving a dispute over the keeping of 30-40 dogs in kennel operation that did not (at the time, anyway) violate the zoning ordinances of the city of Denver (it was located at about 55th and Federal, and that kind of business would not be allowed there today, that location is much more urban now than it was 86 years ago :D ) overturned the dismissal of the trial court that was premised in part on the notion that the barking of a dog is a natural sound. The Court quoted the trial judge’s opinion which stated: “The barking of a dog ought not to disturb an ordinary person. That is a common sound heard in every community. To some ears the barking of a dog, especially on the person's own premises, is a sound that it pleasing, and one which tends to make him feel secure.” Krebs v. Hermann, 90 Colo. 61, 65–66, 6 P.2d 907, 908–09 (1931). The defendant’s lawyer, in making a similar point, quoted a Missouri Senator who praised the sound of dogs in a eulogy given concerning a dog. The Supreme Court, rather dryly, then observed:

The Senator, however, was speaking only of one dog and not of a collection of 40 or 90 dogs, all of whom were continuously howling and yelping at the same time under his window in the nighttime while he was unsuccessfully trying to sleep and get repose of body and mind. If the Senator had been in his home, trying to obtain sleep, and the chorus of 40 to 90 dogs had been continuously howling and yelping under his window, we might conjecture, although we do not attempt to state, the blistering language which he probably would have employed because of his inability to sleep.

Id. The Supreme Court did not say that this situation was definitely a nuisance since it was reviewing an order to dismiss. Thus, the case was remanded to the trial court for further proceedings to examine the details in light of the Supreme Court’s opinion and for the trial judge to make that decision. But it does stand for the proposition that it certainly could be a nuisance and for the rejection of adjusterjack’s implication that any farm animal noise, being natural, would automatically be allowed.

So even in rural setting zoned to allow farm animals, the argument that any noise made by farm animals would be ok doesn’t fly. The details matter. Keeping just a rooster or two with some chickens is probably not sufficient to cause a nuisance on 10 acres, but keeping a large number of them might well rise to the level of a nuisance depending on where the roosters are located relative to the other homes in the area, how much actual noise they make and when, etc.

In short, I think you ought to see a Colorado civil litigation attorney familiar with HOAs and nuisance law. You might have some options to force the neighbor to get rid of some or all of the roosters. The devil is, as the saying goes, in the details. But I reject the notion of some who have responded that you have no chance and that you are somehow unreasonable in your complaint. Without those details, there is no way I could express an opinion one way or the other on that.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Huh? Can you give me an example outside of a zoo or animal sanctuary? I do have a tax client who has a business humanely removing geese from properties and moving them elsewhere, but other than that, I do not understand what you are attempting to say. Are you trying to say that his neighbor is likely controlling the geese and wild turkeys on their property?

Your tax client's pest removal service is one example of humans controlling wild animals.

In addition to pest control businesses, deer herds can be controlled through capture or kill, and human measures are taken to prevent geese, seagulls and pigeons from interfering with air flights or from frequenting golf courses and beaches, and "attractive nuisances" like open garbage cans can be removed or protected from animal access to prevent raccoons and bears from populating an area ...

These are all ways humans control wild animals, even if these human controls do not necessarily prevent wild animals from doing what wild animals will do, like making themselves at home in house attics or basements.

Having filled (plastic) pools of water can attract geese so removing these pools can make the property less attractive to water-loving creatures. Dogs and cats are also good deterrents.

I live in the country and daily hear the sound of my (distant) neighbor's rooster. The rooster lived in the area before I did, though, so I would never think to complain about his crowing, even if I disliked the sound (which I don't).
 

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