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ddsmith

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?ndiana :confused: my ex obtained custody of our 4 children during his visitaion he told the courts that i was in jail and then gave them a false address so i wouldnt know about the court date and theygave it to him(custody)and he has since then requested more child support and he gave a false address agaon i found out there is a court date on the 19 by a friend of his i live in florida and this is in indiana i was not served with a subpena do i have to go and can they fill contempt charges o me if i do not show since i was never legally served with papers? :confused:
 


rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
How long have they been in indiana?
When did he get custody?
Were you in jail?
Where is jurisdiciton, Indiana or Florida?
Who was CP? What was the custody?
 

ddsmith

Junior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
How long have they been in indiana?
When did he get custody?
Were you in jail?
Where is jurisdiciton, Indiana or Florida?
Who was CP? What was the custody?
he got temporary custody in june 04 then in january of 05 they gave him full custody. no i have never been in jail the jurisdiction is in indiana i live in florida but i do not have a attorney and can not afford one either and they keeping giving the courts a false address's i have given them my address repeatedly but it dosent matter i had full custody of all children he was and is behind in child support to the tue of 10,000 and he didnt want to pay it so when he got his visitation he went and lied and here i am today no kids and no help they would listen to me at the perment custody hearing because i did not have a lawyer and everything he said in court were lies upon lies and i have proof of everything but since i had no lawyer the judge wouldnt look at anything... :mad:
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Why didn't you file contempt against him in IN when he failed to return the children from visitation?
Have you given the courts YOUR address?
Did you get permission to move to FL?
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
I was thinking the same thing, you know court proceedings are going on, have you contacted the court with your address so that they may notify you appropriately for hearings pertaining to your children??? The question about not showing up because you weren't notified in the appropriate manner is foolish- they are your kids, get a $59 greyhound ticket and get your butt up there, almost nothing you could do would be worse than blowing off a court hearing pertaining to your kids.
 

BethM

Member
Did you people even read this person's posts?

She has already stated that she gave the courts her address..."repeatedly."

You say she knows court proceedings are going on and should be there but how can she know that if she is not being notified due to the courts refusal to use the address that she gives them.

It happens, it has happened to me and no one stays on top of what is going on in my situation more than I do. I have gone without notice before because the court clerk used the wrong address.

Not showing up because she was not notified is not foolish. I don't know, maybe it helps you feel good to talk down to someone who is, obviously trying to do the best she can but it makes you look like an idiot.

Read the woman's posts for God's sake and get off your high horse. Or, maybe you could buy yourself a $59 bus ticket and go to hell for being such a judgmental fool in response to someone who is feeling lost and only looking for help.
 
What?? This doesn't make sense?

So you are saying that you had custody of the kids, but your ex got a change in custody without your knowledge? How can that be? You didn't question it when he didn't return the kids? Even if your ex gave the wrong address to the courts, surely you would have figured out something was up when the kids didn't come back.
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
i found out there is a court date on the 19 by a friend of his i live in florida and this is in indiana i was not served with a subpena do i have to go and can they fill contempt charges o me if i do not show since i was never legally served with papers? :confused:[/QUOTE]


she already knows the date...
 

BethM

Member
So you are saying that you had custody of the kids, but your ex got a change in custody without your knowledge? How can that be? You didn't question it when he didn't return the kids? Even if your ex gave the wrong address to the courts, surely you would have figured out something was up when the kids didn't come back.

OK, here is how this can happen. Say the father has visitation for 6 weeks during the summer. While he has the children in his possession he goes down, tells the courts the mother is in jail, and he needs temporary custody. He gives them false information, false address and by the time his six weeks visitation is up he has a court order giving him custody in the state he lives in. Get it?

By the time the mother finds out all this has happened she has to try and figure out something to do. Being your average citizen her knowledge of what to do is very limited. Her financial situation is one where she can't go out and hire an attorney and believe it or not, someone in that position might just feel at a loss for what to do next. On top of all that, she is in Florida with limited finances and he is in Indiana. Might be a bit hard to fight the system with no money and all that distance don't you think?

I'm pretty sure when the kids didn't come back is when she figured out something was wrong. I don't think this woman woke up yesterday and realized her kids were not home. Read her post, it's pretty clear that this is something she has been fighting and trying to find an answer to since last June.

she already knows the date...


She knows this court date. She had no knowledge of the first court date and dates after that. Now she has this new court date and no money nor attorney. She is in Florida and he is in Indiana with a court order giving him custody. It's not real hard to figure out why this woman is facing an uphill battle...not in my opinion anyway.

ddsmith, what you need to do is call your local legal aid society and legal aid in the county where the hearing is being held. Explain to them what is going on and ask for assistance. You also need to contact the court clerk in the county where the hearing is being held. Tell them that you have not been notified through the courts. If they insist that you have ask them to produce a summons that was signed by you with the date and time it was served. Ask them to produce proof of contact to you regarding this latest court hearing.

Tell the court clerk that you want a continuance because you have not been able to hire an attorney yet and ask her/him what the procedure is that you need to follow to get one because at this time you are representing yourself. If they tell you they can't help you ask them to put you in contact with someone who can.

If need be, get the name of the judge who will hear the case and speak to his secretary. If they refuse to continue the hearing then write a letter stating your objection and request that it be put in the file. In the mean time, get yourself an attorney. Call legal aid!
 
I don't know where you live, but here, it's not summer yet. Assuming that mom is truthful and had primary custody, the kids would be in her care and he'd probably have a standard visitation schedule. I think it'd be difficult for him to get away with this without her knowledge. I'm not saying she is lying, I'm just saying I don't think she's explained the situation well enough for anyone to help her.
 

BethM

Member
I don't know where you live, but here, it's not summer yet. Assuming that mom is truthful and had primary custody, the kids would be in her care and he'd probably have a standard visitation schedule. I think it'd be difficult for him to get away with this without her knowledge. I'm not saying she is lying, I'm just saying I don't think she's explained the situation well enough for anyone to help her.

You don't know where I live? I have to ask, one more time, have you even read this person's posts?

The father was given temporary custody last summer. Knock, knock, any body home? Read the posts. He got temporary custody June 04 during his summer visitation.

Mom had prmary custody of her children until LAST JUNE...june 04. It's in her post, as plain as the nose on your face. LOL!!

He had a standard visitation and during that standard visitation he used the court system to obtain custody of her children by being less than honest about the situation!

I swear, I didn't know it was possible to give an opinion the way you did and not ever read the ladies posts. Maybe what you did was skim over them, form your negative opinion. Maybe you have trouble comprehending what you read. Something is up though and you really should pay closer attention before go off on anymore tangents.
 

ddsmith

Junior Member
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:mad: Ihave called the courts and gien them my correct address over and over again he has an a ttorney maybe because he has money from all the child support he never paid I still have a family and have to help provide a roof over there heads as well as fight for my other four children but once a court order has been entered with out an attorney your screwed i wold walk to indiana to attend a court hearing for my children if need be but i have no lawyer and judges dont listen to you with out one i want to know how in this country a womans rights to her children can be taken away just because a lieing abbusive convicted felllon made false accusations lied to the courts NEVER PAID CHILD SUPPORT and can barely take care of himself gets custody i am doing anything and everything to help myself i have called legalaid in both states you have to pretty muchbe living under a bridge in order for them to help you and the cheapest attorney i have found in indiana wants a 3500 dollar retainer before he will lift a pen towards my case so instead of anyone who has nothing positve to tell i dont need your oppions i need someone who can help point myself in the right direction if i have to get them back all on my own with out a attorney andif it takes me 3 years i will do it
11i dont understand how you can walk in to a court room and make a false accusation saying i was in jail and not have any proof i am angry and i have no faith in our courts any longer i have done everything from legal aid to callling every family law attorney and asking them if they do ow cost or pro bono myself there has got to be someone out there who could please help i am saveing money for a lawyer but yet also trying to provide a home for thme as well.crack heads get ther children back because the state helps them i am an average joe fighting an up hill battle with 1000 miles between it
so please save your sarcasim and negativity for someine else and only post helpful information and no i didnt wake up one day and say o were r my kids i got served with court papers the week after the court hearing had alresdy taken place it was real convienant then for them to serve me but they used a different address befor so wouldnt be ther a lot can happen during a 8 week summer visitation.someone told me i can file a appeal but i dont know how to do that or if there is a time limit to do so please please please if u can help then do so
 

Zephyr

Senior Member
LEGAL- I was just saying that when your kids are involved it's not the time to play ostrich and stick your head in the sand, she was asking about not going to that court date, it doesn't matter how she knows about it, she knows, very easy to then call and verify, and if she can't afford to go up there, she could arrange to appear by telephone, blowing it off only hurts her case, gives more credibility to the things her ex is claiming etc...
 

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