Parental/Custodial Interference....

[Rushia]

Your flames can been seen all the way down here, Rushia.

P.S. Love your new tag line.

LOL, I'm sure that they can. Thank you! I still think that my mother's curse came true.....Ya know the one that goes "I hope your children are worse than you!!"

 

[Rushia]

unless the co stated they were to have contact, then they really have done nothing wrong. They got the kids for a week. Until they don't bring them home sunday. I can understand how you are feeling as my niece is going thru the same type of thing with gp right now too. But, in your case, there is an enforceable court order. The kids dad needs to call the cellphone and leave a stern msg. When they come home sun, mention that you had been trying and trying to contact them and were very worried. Next time they get a co, make sure it lists contact times so they will be in violation.

CO or not, they have no right to withhold my children from talking with me. The problem is that we CAN'T leave messages. We have NO contact at all. We mentioned the phone in our response and the jugde simply signed an order that their attorney drew up. We know this as they sent the unsigned copy to my ex (he's pro-se) and it had all the wrong dates on it. The judge/court clerk simply crossed out the incorrect dates and put in the correct ones and the judge signed it. We called the police for a check and they still refused to call. It never says that I can't talk to my children either, this is simply that my children are being withheld from me for their own purpose.

They did call this am, but I was at work. They didn't even leave a message. If I didn't check the caller ID, I never would have known. I tried to call back and the phone is off again. Tell me what the purpose behind that was? What if something happened?

 

[Rushia]

Sorry Russia , I can imagine what you and the kids are going through .

I'm giving the facts , If you look and read further , and if it is not in the court order for contact , there is no criminal or civil contempt or interference , and certainly not with the visit , at this point .

You'll be so glad when they come home .

How on earth did the get an Emergency visit , and for a whole week ?

This is not harboring within the law as defined by kidnapping .

Harboring is from the taking and keeping against a court order ( like a no removal from the state ) and hidding the children , or by a stranger .

Keep trying the phone , hopefully you'll get through .

My case with my X was about Parental interference and harboring , although I didn't know the Criminal Law then ( the SOL ran out to file ) , but criminal and civil is mention from the trial .

I find it hard to believe that Grandparents have the right to stop me from talking with my children. Parents aren't "allowed" to do it to one another, I don't believe a third party should be able to.

I will keep searching and I will push for my attorney to file something anyway.

 

[CJane]

Rushia, honey, have you tried hitmenrus.com?

Hang in there girl, karma HAS to kick in soon. Just has to.

 

[Rushia]

Rushia, honey, have you tried hitmenrus.com?

Hang in there girl, karma HAS to kick in soon. Just has to.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! I'm going to admit to being a moron. I actually tried looking for this before I realized what it "said"! I'm such a dork!

 

[casa]

i don't believe a court order is necessary. My children are not subject to one between the father and myself. We believe that we ARE working in the best interest of the children. This CO does nothing more than force my children to do things they don't want to do. I shouldn't have to ask the gp if it's OK for my son to go to a Boyscouting activity. I firmly believe that a court order protects noone but the gp.

However, I can see it from your angle. Sometimes parents are just jerks. I am not. My children should not be subjected to coaching that their stepfather is beating them. They should not be forced to play with a cousin who abused them. Spend time with a woman who HAS threatened to run off with them. etc etc....This is all evidence/testimony that I have yet been able to present. The judge is just giving them what they ask for with no testimony from me.

I may have misunderstood, did you & Dad not agree to a Court Order? (I thought gps already had visitation?) That's a different story...especially since Dad & you are both still in the children's lives.

I'm concerned hearing that there is a chance of abuse and that there is a previous threat to keep the child. It's horrific if anyone is coaching these children to say they are abused Did you check out deltabravo.net resources/info. re; false allegations? I think they are really offering updated and smart information.

 

[casa]

I find it hard to believe that Grandparents have the right to stop me from talking with my children. Parents aren't "allowed" to do it to one another, I don't believe a third party should be able to.

I will keep searching and I will push for my attorney to file something anyway.

Much respect to BL, but I disagree that this is not harboring. This is exactly how your state define's harboring when involving a 3rd party (& statutes even mention gps re; it)

 

[casa]

CO or not, they have no right to withhold my children from talking with me. The problem is that we CAN'T leave messages. We have NO contact at all. We mentioned the phone in our response and the jugde simply signed an order that their attorney drew up. We know this as they sent the unsigned copy to my ex (he's pro-se) and it had all the wrong dates on it. The judge/court clerk simply crossed out the incorrect dates and put in the correct ones and the judge signed it. We called the police for a check and they still refused to call. It never says that I can't talk to my children either, this is simply that my children are being withheld from me for their own purpose.

They did call this am, but I was at work. They didn't even leave a message. If I didn't check the caller ID, I never would have known. I tried to call back and the phone is off again. Tell me what the purpose behind that was? What if something happened?[/QUOTE]

Ughh...this 'smells' like they are already trying to cover their a$$e$ re; contact. "See your honor, I returned the call the very next day". That's when you rely on your attorney to point out that they know your work hours, etc. etc.

Have you talked to LdiJ about this situation? She'd be helpful for your side on this one.

 

[LdiJ]

CO or not, they have no right to withhold my children from talking with me. The problem is that we CAN'T leave messages. We have NO contact at all. We mentioned the phone in our response and the jugde simply signed an order that their attorney drew up. We know this as they sent the unsigned copy to my ex (he's pro-se) and it had all the wrong dates on it. The judge/court clerk simply crossed out the incorrect dates and put in the correct ones and the judge signed it. We called the police for a check and they still refused to call. It never says that I can't talk to my children either, this is simply that my children are being withheld from me for their own purpose.

They did call this am, but I was at work. They didn't even leave a message. If I didn't check the caller ID, I never would have known. I tried to call back and the phone is off again. Tell me what the purpose behind that was? What if something happened?[/QUOTE]

Ughh...this 'smells' like they are already trying to cover their a$$e$ re; contact. "See your honor, I returned the call the very next day". That's when you rely on your attorney to point out that they know your work hours, etc. etc.

Have you talked to LdiJ about this situation? She'd be helpful for your side on this one.

We are in contact outside the forum.

 

[casa]

We are in contact outside the forum.

Good to hear

 

[Rushia]

I may have misunderstood, did you & Dad not agree to a Court Order? (I thought gps already had visitation?) That's a different story...especially since Dad & you are both still in the children's lives.

I'm concerned hearing that there is a chance of abuse and that there is a previous threat to keep the child. It's horrific if anyone is coaching these children to say they are abused Did you check out deltabravo.net resources/info. re; false allegations? I think they are really offering updated and smart information.

No, Dad and I did not agree to a court order. It has been forced upon us. We busted them already in court over their stepfather "abusing" them. They approached the wrong people to help them make the claim (dad and sm, they didn't realize that sm and I were becoming great friends by that time, they were hoping that sterotypical hatred between sm and bm's would help them), so they don't dare try it again. DS was also told by his therapist to flat out tell anyone who spoke disrespectful of me or Stepdad, to "shut up!"

The cousin of the children has (with 3 years of Karate training) been caught beating on dd and was caught teaching ds a game with sexual implications. I have not let them play with her in a year because of this behavior. The judge was made aware of this in my response, but I don't believe he read it. I asked for an order to keep her away and he "reserved" decision and I have yet to get one and now she is with my children now. This is why the children called last Sunday 2 hours after I dropped them off. The gps attempted to force them to play with her and they were very upset by this. Ds also reported to me that he attempted to tell them what cousin did and they told him "No, No, No, Shut up, we don't want to hear it!"

And the court wonders WHY I wouldn't allow them to take my children out of my home.

 

[casa]

No, Dad and I did not agree to a court order. It has been forced upon us. We busted them already in court over their stepfather "abusing" them. They approached the wrong people to help them make the claim (dad and sm, they didn't realize that sm and I were becoming great friends by that time, they were hoping that sterotypical hatred between sm and bm's would help them), so they don't dare try it again. DS was also told by his therapist to flat out tell anyone who spoke disrespectful of me or Stepdad, to "shut up!"

The cousin of the children has (with 3 years of Karate training) been caught beating on dd and was caught teaching ds a game with sexual implications. I have not let them play with her in a year because of this behavior. The judge was made aware of this in my response, but I don't believe he read it. I asked for an order to keep her away and he "reserved" decision and I have yet to get one and now she is with my children now. This is why the children called last Sunday 2 hours after I dropped them off. The gps attempted to force them to play with her and they were very upset by this. Ds also reported to me that he attempted to tell them what cousin did and they told him "No, No, No, Shut up, we don't want to hear it!"

And the court wonders WHY I wouldn't allow them to take my children out of my home.

Kiddos need to disclose that recent event with cousin to therapist...judge didn't deny the no contact request, he just 'reserved' decision, so make sure you are getting that information to the therapist. A judge is more likely to listen to a therapist than parties involved in the case.

He He LOVE that you & stepmom are friendly I'd love to have seen their faces...

 

[Rushia]

Kiddos need to disclose that recent event with cousin to therapist...judge didn't deny the no contact request, he just 'reserved' decision, so make sure you are getting that information to the therapist. A judge is more likely to listen to a therapist than parties involved in the case.

He He LOVE that you & stepmom are friendly I'd love to have seen their faces...

This happened a year ago. The therapist is aware of the situation. She determined that she had not molested him, but her behavior was abnormal and they should be kept apart. (Well, DUH). Told the mother about the incident and was basically called a big fat lier! Last December, the GAL did a home visit to the paternal gm's house and suspiciously and suddenly cousin was taken to therapy *shock!* During a convo with the GAL he says "I thought an investigation had been conducted and it was determined that it was normal behavior?" My reply was "Well, sir, if an investigation had been conducted then I would think that : 1: Someone would have interviewed the alleged victim and 2: I would like a copy of said investigation." Surprisingly, no papers were forthcoming.

Stepmom is my best friend! She actually watched the baby (father is my current dh) for me while I was at work and my dh had to help his sister move. Her son (my ex's youngest) frequently sleeps over in our home! We love sleepover night. After running around outside, we watch a movie with a big bowl of popcorn and cuddle together on the couch.
The kids ALL love it (ok, dh and I love it too).

 

[LdiJ]

This happened a year ago. The therapist is aware of the situation. She determined that she had not molested him, but her behavior was abnormal and they should be kept apart. (Well, DUH). Told the mother about the incident and was basically called a big fat lier! Last December, the GAL did a home visit to the paternal gm's house and suspiciously and suddenly cousin was taken to therapy *shock!* During a convo with the GAL he says "I thought an investigation had been conducted and it was determined that it was normal behavior?" My reply was "Well, sir, if an investigation had been conducted then I would think that : 1: Someone would have interviewed the alleged victim and 2: I would like a copy of said investigation." Surprisingly, no papers were forthcoming.

Stepmom is my best friend! She actually watched the baby (father is my current dh) for me while I was at work and my dh had to help his sister move. Her son (my ex's youngest) frequently sleeps over in our home! We love sleepover night. After running around outside, we watch a movie with a big bowl of popcorn and cuddle together on the couch.
The kids ALL love it (ok, dh and I love it too).

I LOVE to hear about co-parenting relationships that are as good as yours is. I know another extended family that exchanges ALL kids (including steps and halves) every other weekend in order to give each other "alone time" with their spouses....AND they all spend all holidays together as a group. I think its just marvelous when it works out that way. The kids get to be part of a big extended family, and be with all of their siblings all of the weekends, and the parents have that true level of trust and security about who is caring for their kids.

 

[Rushia]

I LOVE to hear about co-parenting relationships that are as good as yours is. I know another extended family that exchanges ALL kids (including steps and halves) every other weekend in order to give each other "alone time" with their spouses....AND they all spend all holidays together as a group. I think its just marvelous when it works out that way. The kids get to be part of a big extended family, and be with all of their siblings all of the weekends, and the parents have that true level of trust and security about who is caring for their kids.

As soon as the baby a little older we'll be sending him along for overnights too!