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jennie239

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What is the name of your state? Florida

My question is, how long does the state of florida require before they decide to involuntarily terminate a parents rights to their child? My ex husband hasn't called or visited his son in months it's going on almost 6 months now and personally I feel that if you don't want to be in his life then you don't deserve rights to him. If I could find an answer to my question then maybe I can get the ball rolling and then things will better for my son. It's bad enough that at the age of 4 my son screams and cries that he doesn't want to go see daddy or be with daddy. Any help I can get with this would be well appreciated thank you.What is the name of your state?
 


LdiJ

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jennie239 said:
What is the name of your state? Florida

My question is, how long does the state of florida require before they decide to involuntarily terminate a parents rights to their child? My ex husband hasn't called or visited his son in months it's going on almost 6 months now and personally I feel that if you don't want to be in his life then you don't deserve rights to him. If I could find an answer to my question then maybe I can get the ball rolling and then things will better for my son. It's bad enough that at the age of 4 my son screams and cries that he doesn't want to go see daddy or be with daddy. Any help I can get with this would be well appreciated thank you.What is the name of your state?

Six months is unlikely to be long enough. In addition, it usually requires no contact of any kind, not even child support.

Its also generally necessary that there be a stepparent willing to adopt and take over the parental responsibilities.
 

mom6399

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In the same boat

Dear Jennie239,

A google search for "termination of parental rights Florida" can offer you several quick links to the statutes. Keep in mind there may be multiple statutes, and they may be taken out of context on the sites. One question that arose in a meeting with one attorney in my state (GA) is if the guidelines were specific to DCFS? In Georgia it is apparently (very important word) not the case, but may be in other states. I have found nothing in any statutes that requires a step parent adoption, but this just may be the preference of judges.

I am not a lawyer, but what I have found, it is at least one year with no contact (including child support) before such an action can be filed for.I know a year seems like a long time with no contact with a child, but it appears to be the standard. A CP filing for termination appears to be something that is rare, as it ends any possible future child support, rights to inheritance, ss, etc...We have to question why we would want to do this...

I am in a similar situation. The most recent NCP inactivity is more than 2 years; 3 years with less than 5 hours of communication (phone, in person, etc..) The child is only 7, and there have been previous periods of inactivity in the past 5 years (4 months was the shortest, 8 months another and others in between). Inactivity began when the child was only 2; 8+ months of nothing, CS, phone, anything. A reintegration plan was implemented, which failed miserably. When the child suffered and acted out , a family counselor was brought in, gave the NCP advice, but rather than working with the family couselor, once again, NCP disappeared. And on the story goes. After a year of no physical or telephone contact, I saw an attorney who thought their would be no problem terminating rights, then CSE made a garnishment. That CS payment would be considered "contact" in the eyes of the law. So, I waited, and low and behold, another garnishment appeared, so we are waiting it out. One more month to go...I have two attorneys who say it should be a cut and dry case, but ya never know. I do have on my side: 1) full physical and legal custody 2) No specific visitation order (at my discretion) 3) A pattern of absence 4) A decree stating and clarifying parental irresponsibility/potential abuse/alchohol problems and lack of concern for the child and the childs critical needs... the short and simple version, documentable grounds over years. Not just six months....a lifetime to you and your child, I know. Been there...

I am persuing termination for the best interest of my child in the event of my death. I cannot imagine my child going to someone, though considered father, is a complete stranger. Secondly, the NCP is up to his you know what in CS arrears that will likely never be seen by me or my child. At least with the termination, the CS arrears will stop building. Better for her, better for him. At the same time, for the benefit of the child, that just because rights to NCP may be legally terminated, legally he may not the father, he is still the father. At some point down the road if the child wants to have a relationship with the NCP (and we can find him), or the NCP makes an honest effort, well...it would not be right or fair to deny.

Just food for thought. I've been where you are.
 
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barrysgirl

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you chose him to be your kids father he has as many rights as you

jennie239 said:
What is the name of your state? Florida

My question is, how long does the state of florida require before they decide to involuntarily terminate a parents rights to their child? My ex husband hasn't called or visited his son in months it's going on almost 6 months now and personally I feel that if you don't want to be in his life then you don't deserve rights to him. If I could find an answer to my question then maybe I can get the ball rolling and then things will better for my son. It's bad enough that at the age of 4 my son screams and cries that he doesn't want to go see daddy or be with daddy. Any help I can get with this would be well appreciated thank you.What is the name of your state?
you cant force dad to see the child if he doesnt want to, but if he chooses to exercise visitation, your son has to go. and its not up to you to decide wether or not he deserves to have rights, you had a child with him while married, so you lost the right to determine he isnt good enough to have rights to HIS son. if he is paying child support, that is considered contact, and if you were to remarry, and your husband wanted to adopt the child, you would need dad's permission. you best get your son used to the idea of seeing dad if dad wants to exercise his visitation, because untill your son turns 18, he has to go see dad when its dad's time wether he wants to or not, he doesnt get a say in it
 

jennie239

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barrysgirl said:
you cant force dad to see the child if he doesnt want to, but if he chooses to exercise visitation, your son has to go. and its not up to you to decide wether or not he deserves to have rights, you had a child with him while married, so you lost the right to determine he isnt good enough to have rights to HIS son. if he is paying child support, that is considered contact, and if you were to remarry, and your husband wanted to adopt the child, you would need dad's permission. you best get your son used to the idea of seeing dad if dad wants to exercise his visitation, because untill your son turns 18, he has to go see dad when its dad's time wether he wants to or not, he doesnt get a say in it

I understand what you are saying but I've already spoken to a lawyer about making my son go with his father and in certain cases if it's going to emotion scar/damage the child then you don't have to make the child go for visitation if he doesn't want to. So when my son says he doesn't want to go see daddy I already have legal consultation that he doesn't have to because it can be emotionally damaging, but thank you for the advice.
 

jennie239

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tigger22472 said:
Yep, YOU are the one who gets in trouble by the judge, not the lawyer.

I understand that but I'm not going to have my son psycologically damaged b/c he doesn't want to see his daddy. If people saw what happens when you mention daddy to my son they would understand. He goes into fits literally....he cries, throws up, hides, shakes, and the attorney says that a judge would consider that endangering a child. I just do what the attorney says my ex hasn't argued yet and when he does I guess I will just deal with it then and let the judge see for his/herself what I see when I mention going to daddy's. I don't want to emotionally hurt my son in anyway and apparently something is happening when he's with my ex that I dont' know about.
 

mom6399

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Modify visitation

Your lawyer can request a modification to the visitation order. Because what Stealth and Tigger say is true; if your order says NCP gets visitation on specific weekends/days and shows up, even years later, and you refuse visitation YOU are in contempt of the order.

The NCP is not in contempt for not following visitation orders, but the CP is in contempt for not following visitation orders. Messed up, but the way it is.

Your word that the child is traumatized by the visits/non-visits are also not enough. You need to get documentation. Unfortunately, there are far too many CPs that use the kids to get back at NCPs by withholding visitation. You need to back everything up. You may also choose to request a parenting/reintegration plan for your child and the NCP. Any kid at such a young age may have difficulty in a typical visitation scenario. Family counseling, even if NCP doesn't participate may benefit all of you, and if it doesn't give you some of the back up you may need.

Good Luck.
 

ceara19

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jennie239 said:
I understand that but I'm not going to have my son psycologically damaged b/c he doesn't want to see his daddy. If people saw what happens when you mention daddy to my son they would understand. He goes into fits literally....he cries, throws up, hides, shakes, and the attorney says that a judge would consider that endangering a child. I just do what the attorney says my ex hasn't argued yet and when he does I guess I will just deal with it then and let the judge see for his/herself what I see when I mention going to daddy's. I don't want to emotionally hurt my son in anyway and apparently something is happening when he's with my ex that I dont' know about.
If you think that the child would be psychologically damaged by forcing him to visit his father, just imagine what will happen when he has to go and LIVE with dad because you refuse to follow the court ORDER.
 

LdiJ

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jennie239 said:
I understand that but I'm not going to have my son psycologically damaged b/c he doesn't want to see his daddy. If people saw what happens when you mention daddy to my son they would understand. He goes into fits literally....he cries, throws up, hides, shakes, and the attorney says that a judge would consider that endangering a child. I just do what the attorney says my ex hasn't argued yet and when he does I guess I will just deal with it then and let the judge see for his/herself what I see when I mention going to daddy's. I don't want to emotionally hurt my son in anyway and apparently something is happening when he's with my ex that I dont' know about.

Your attorney knows the details of your case. We do not. In general, its best to be guided by your attorney.
 

GrowUp!

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jennie239 said:
I understand that but I'm not going to have my son psycologically damaged b/c he doesn't want to see his daddy. If people saw what happens when you mention daddy to my son they would understand. He goes into fits literally....he cries, throws up, hides, shakes, and the attorney says that a judge would consider that endangering a child. I just do what the attorney says my ex hasn't argued yet and when he does I guess I will just deal with it then and let the judge see for his/herself what I see when I mention going to daddy's. I don't want to emotionally hurt my son in anyway and apparently something is happening when he's with my ex that I dont' know about.
And counseling is WHERE in all of this?

I'm going to guess there isn't any.
 
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thisforumsucks

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you son doesnt call the shots here

jennie239 said:
I understand what you are saying but I've already spoken to a lawyer about making my son go with his father and in certain cases if it's going to emotion scar/damage the child then you don't have to make the child go for visitation if he doesn't want to. So when my son says he doesn't want to go see daddy I already have legal consultation that he doesn't have to because it can be emotionally damaging, but thank you for the advice.
your son doesnt get to decide. period. he is a child. and you have no business letting him decide he isnt going to see dad. untill he turns 18, he has no say in the visitation. he goes, or he could be living with dad eventually. so if you want to keep custody of your son, you best obey the court order. your son is not in charge here. you best get him used to that idea, and to the idea of seeing dad, or he COULD be seeing a lot more of dad if you refuse to obey the court order.
 
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