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Bretagne

Member
Sorry seniorjudge, I have to disagree with you regarding the overcharging of crimes. It happens here, with considerable frequency.

Our criminal procedure dictates a "Rule 11" motion at which time you can challenge admissibility of the State's evidence as well as probable cause. Technically, you can challenge probable cause at any opportunity, but pragmatically there need to be written motions and a contested hearing to address PC.

I get cases bumped ALL THE TIME for lack of probable cause; not due to a constitutional challenge of the admissibility of the evidence. Usually there are several charges. The less-severe usually stick. But getting Count I bounced (that's the most serious felony charged) for lack of PC is a common occurrence.

These files are generally assigned to one specific prosecutor, and there they stay. So, there is no division between a prosecutor who litigates and one who appears on pre-trial procedure.

The judges don't get PO'd about the overcharging either. The head prosecutor (elected official) is also not bothered.

Probably about 25% of the time, the complaint and/or police reports are substantially different than the version of events caught on video/audio tape. Maybe 5% of the time those differences are material. And the prosecutors here won't review the taped evidence unless I force them to. Generally, they listen to me. But, I've had motion hearings where the first time the prosecutor saw the tape was when I played it for the judge. Dismissed.
 


Bretagne

Member
seniorjudge: I give up...what are you talking about?

What comment of mine are you responding to?

Whoops....meant to respond to garrula lingua. Where is my "sheepish" smiley? I guess this is close enough. :o
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
Whether a prosecutor overcharges depends on the courthouse culture.

Some places it is strictly verboten; other places, it is just a way of life.
 

Bretagne

Member
seniorjudge Whether a prosecutor overcharges depends on the courthouse culture.

Some places it is strictly verboten; other places, it is just a way of life.

Yep. I think I need you on the bench up here, senior, whadaya think? Do you like to ice fish? Do you like to waterski? Do you like the option of voting for a professional wrestler for governor? Come to Minnesota!
 

seniorjudge

Senior Member
Yep. I think I need you on the bench up here, senior, whadaya think? Do you like to ice fish? Do you like to waterski? Do you like the option of voting for a professional wrestler for governor? Come to Minnesota!

I just got off the phone with a woman in Minnesota...I cain't understand y'all up thar....:D
 

Kane

Member
Thanks for the reply.

Well I am told by attorneys that Arizona doesn't prosecute that many, but my town does. WOO HOO!

I had one attorney turn me down just because he does not like dealing with my town. lol

Yeah. Courthouse culture can be very different from one county to the next. Where I live - one of the last Democratic counties left in Texas - the courthouse is relatively defense-friendly. Just north of here, there's a county that's famous (infamous) for... being the opposite. Some defense attorneys refuse to practice there, for what they consider to be dirty tricks played by prosecutors and judges. (Others simply double their fees.)

Much of practicing law has more to do with knowing who's who and what's what and the courthouse. It's not just knowing what's written in the books.
 

garrula lingua

Senior Member
Yeah. Courthouse culture can be very different from one county to the next. Where I live - one of the last Democratic counties left in Texas - the courthouse is relatively defense-friendly. Just north of here, there's a county that's famous (infamous) for... being the opposite. Some defense attorneys refuse to practice there, for what they consider to be dirty tricks played by prosecutors and judges. (Others simply double their fees.)

Much of practicing law has more to do with knowing who's who and what's what and the courthouse. It's not just knowing what's written in the books.[/QUOTE]


Yes, very true.
Also having money &/or celebrity doesn't hurt a defendant.
 

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