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justice4dad

Junior Member
BlondiePB said:
What were the findings of Adult Pprotective Services (APS) investigation?

How long ago was APS notified?

Did APS locate your dad?

Who are "we"?
BlondiePB, THANK YOU for your response.
We are appealing this with the bar assoc.
This whole thing has been very disappointing to us. I have contacted so many agenies and they all say that the other one needs to take the lead.
I have contacted the DA, and they do the same and 3 attorney's have said to report this to the La. bar,because it 's plain to see that this doing to our dad was wrong.
 


BlondiePB

Senior Member
justice4dad said:
BlondiePB, THANK YOU for your response.
We are appealing this with the bar assoc.
This whole thing has been very disappointing to us. I have contacted so many agenies and they all say that the other one needs to take the lead.
I have contacted the DA, and they do the same and 3 attorney's have said to report this to the La. bar,because it 's plain to see that this doing to our dad was wrong.
You're welcome, justice4dad. Look, what the attorney did was not right. The reason I asked questions regarding APS rather than previously pointing you to reporting this to the bar was because APS should have talked to that attorney. I'm glad that sj told you to report to the bar though as knowing what you've all done is important too. Since you're going around in circles with officials, it seems that you do not have your own attorney. Is this correct?

What about going after "bad" sister and recovering dad's assests? She needs to be accountable too. The "fall-out" of going after her may, indeed, result in what you want to do about the attorney and will be easier. I take it that the attorney in all this is her attorney, correct? Someone, either "bad" sister or the attorney has control over your father's Social Security (Representative Payee).

With this in mind, please answer these questions: 1) do you, your brother, or dad's sister have contact with dad. If so, is it amicable? 2) Was the buyer of dad's house an innocent party or part of the exploitation? 3) Is dad a veteran with an honorable discharge? 4) Does dad have a valid will? If so, do you know where it is? 5) Do you know who is dad's primary care physician (PCP)?
 
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seniorjudge

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...when I bought my condo 2 title companies and a RE attorney all told me that it is a state law here that both the buyer and the seller must buy title insurance.


I hope you didn't pay that attorney any money. If so, ask for a refund.
 

justice4dad

Junior Member
BlondiePB said:
You're welcome, justice4dad. Look, what the attorney did was not right. The reason I asked questions regarding APS rather than previously pointing you to reporting this to the bar was because APS should have talked to that attorney. I'm glad that sj told you to report to the bar though as knowing what you've all done is important too. Since you're going around in circles with officials, it seems that you do not have your own attorney. Is this correct?

What about going after "bad" sister and recovering dad's assests? She needs to be accountable too. The "fall-out" of going after her may, indeed, result in what you want to do about the attorney and will be easier. I take it that the attorney in all this is her attorney, correct? Someone, either "bad" sister or the attorney has control over your father's Social Security (Representative Payee).

With this in mind, please answer these questions: 1) do you, your brother, or dad's sister have contact with dad. If so, is it amicable? 2) Was the buyer of dad's house an innocent party or part of the exploitation? 3) Is dad a veteran with an honorable discharge? 4) Does dad have a valid will? If so, do you know where it is? 5) Do you know who is dad's primary care physician (PCP)?

Sister's have control over dad's Social Security, in fact the form that she had the doctor fill out saying our dad had dementia and alzheimer.
We were told to stay away from our dad or get our butts kicked by our drugie brother ( he's big and bad with a crimminal record that shocks the police).He is the one who had been doing maintance work around the attorney's home and now lives with his girl friend in the house with our dad. 2)He was part, he bought it for $325,000 from our sisters and sold it in a few months for $60,000 more and has been sold 3 more times, nothing being done to property last price was $468,000 all within 18 months.
3)Yes, dad was a vet with honorable discharge.4)Yes, according to our sister she had him disown us.The same attorney took care of that.5)According to his old doctor,they must be seeing someone else.
 

FESTINA

Junior Member
Capacity Requirements

Proper execution of a legal instrument requires that the person signing have sufficient mental "capacity" to understand the implications of the document. While most people speak of legal "capacity" or "competence" as a rigid black line--either the person has it or doesn't--in fact it can be quite variable depending on the person's abilities and the function for which capacity is required.

One side of the capacity equation involves the client's abilities, which may change from day to day (or even during the day), depending on the course of the illness, fatigue and the effects of medication. On the other side, greater understanding is required for some legal activities than for others. For instance, the capacity required for entering into a contract is higher than that required to execute a will.

The standard definition of capacity for wills has been aptly summed up by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court:

Testamentary capacity requires ability on the part of the testator to understand and carry in mind, in a general way, the nature and situation of his property and his relations to those persons who would naturally have some claim to his remembrance. It requires freedom from delusion which is the effect of disease or weakness and which might influence the disposition of his property. And it requires ability at the time of execution of the alleged will to comprehend the nature of the act of making a will.

This is a relatively "low threshold," meaning that signing a will does not require a great deal of capacity. The fact that the next day the testator does not remember the will signing and is not sufficiently "with it" to execute a will then does not invalidate the will if he understood it when he signed it.

The standard of capacity with respect to durable powers of attorney varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Some courts and practitioners argue that this threshold can be quite low. The client need only know that he trusts the attorney-in-fact to manage his financial affairs. Others argue that since the attorney-in-fact generally has the right to enter into contracts on behalf of the principal, the principal should have capacity to enter into contracts as well. The threshold for entering into contracts is fairly high.

The standards for entering into a contract are different because the individual must know not only the nature of her property and the person with whom she is dealing, but also the broader context of the market in which she is agreeing to buy or sell services or property. In Farnum v. Silvano in 1989, the Massachusetts Appeals Court reversed the sale of a home by a 90-year-old woman suffering from organic brain disease. The sale was for half of the house's market value. The court contrasted competency to sell property with the capacity to make a will, the latter requiring only understanding at the time of executing the will:

Competency to enter into a contract presupposes something more than a transient surge of lucidity. It requires the ability to comprehend the nature and quality of the transaction, together with an understanding of what is "going on," but an ability to comprehend the nature and quality of the transaction, together with an understanding of its significance and consequences.

As a practical matter, in assessing a client's capacity to execute a legal document, attorneys generally ask the question, "Is anyone going to challenge this transaction?" If a client of questionable capacity executes a will giving her estate to her husband, and then to her children if her husband does not survive her, it's unlikely to be challenged. If, on the other hand, she executes a will giving her estate entirely to one daughter with nothing passing to her other children, the attorney must be more certain of being able to prove the client's capacity.

While the standards may seem clear, applying them to particular clients may be difficult. The fact that a client does not know the year or the name of the President may mean she does not have capacity to enter into a contract, but not necessarily that she can't execute a will or durable power of attorney. The determination mixes medical, psychological and legal judgments. It must be made by the attorney (or a judge, in the case of guardianship and conservatorship determinations) based on information gleaned by the attorney in interactions with the client, from other sources such as family members and social workers, and, if necessary, from medical personnel. Doctors and psychiatrists cannot themselves make a determination as to whether an individual has capacity to undertake a legal commitment. But they can provide a professional evaluation of the person that will help an attorney make this decision.

Because you need a third party to assess capacity and because you need to be certain that the formal legal requirements are followed, it can be risky to prepare and execute legal documents on your own without representation by an attorney.
 

FESTINA

Junior Member
Sorry for the length of previous reply. These are NOT my comments, but copied from WWW.ELDERLAWANSWERS.COM. You will need an attorney with the ability to convince a judge of the mental incapacity. Make a timeline and collect all evidence. Let your mind wander laterally and put down everything, no matter how silly it may seem. The attorney will decide what he can use or not use.
 

BlondiePB

Senior Member
Attorneys don't lie....

seniorjudge said:
...when I bought my condo 2 title companies and a RE attorney all told me that it is a state law here that both the buyer and the seller must buy title insurance.


I hope you didn't pay that attorney any money. If so, ask for a refund.
Thanks for watching out for me. I didn't like that attorney and made other arrangements (discount from title co. and $0 cost for attorney that reviewed all and did closing). :)
 

BlondiePB

Senior Member
justice4dad said:
Sister's have control over dad's Social Security, in fact the form that she had the doctor fill out saying our dad had dementia and alzheimer.
We were told to stay away from our dad or get our butts kicked by our drugie brother ( he's big and bad with a crimminal record that shocks the police).He is the one who had been doing maintance work around the attorney's home and now lives with his girl friend in the house with our dad. 2)He was part, he bought it for $325,000 from our sisters and sold it in a few months for $60,000 more and has been sold 3 more times, nothing being done to property last price was $468,000 all within 18 months.
3)Yes, dad was a vet with honorable discharge.4)Yes, according to our sister she had him disown us.The same attorney took care of that.5)According to his old doctor,they must be seeing someone else.
You are going to need to hire an Elder Law attorney that specializes in guardianships/conservatorships AND elder abuse. Have attorney petition for guardianship over dad. The attorney will be able to obtain the info from APS, "bad" sister's attorney, and whoever else that the attorney needs to obtain info. The info obtained by the attorney may also be very useful with your appeal with the bar against "bad" sister's attorney. The person who wants to be dad's guardian must have a "squeaky" clean back ground. Guardianship invalidates POA. Your attorney can have your bad sister brought to court to account for dad's assests. Bad sister can contest guardianship. If necessary, recommend that dad be assigned a professional guardian (3rd party not related to anyone).

IMO, the house is now gone. It's been sold too many times. You need to go after the money, bad sister, and druggie brother for elder abuse/exploitation and guardianship over dad. For some reason, the link to Louisana's state statutes provided at this site did not work. I refer posters to FL statutes on Elder Abuse (Ch. 415 under APS) and guardians (Ch. 744). Most states have very similiar statutes. FL's website has a nice feature "view entire chapter". Read through the chapters, especially about elder abuse. After guardianship has been established, the guardian can look into veteran's benefits for dad. Link to FL statutes is www.flsenate.gov/statutes. If you require more assistance, please post back.
Good luck,

BlondiePB
 

justice4dad

Junior Member
FESTINA said:
Sorry for the length of previous reply. These are NOT my comments, but copied from WWW.ELDERLAWANSWERS.COM. You will need an attorney with the ability to convince a judge of the mental incapacity. Make a timeline and collect all evidence. Let your mind wander laterally and put down everything, no matter how silly it may seem. The attorney will decide what he can use or not use.
FESTINA, THANK YOU. We have gone to 3 attorney's, the problem is they all want $5,000 down and say that if my sister fights this it could be a lot more money. I don't have the money for this,I wish I did, I have limitations I disabled.Thanks for your help.
 

BlondiePB

Senior Member
justice4dad, just file for guardianship for dad. You want sister and her attorney to contest. I would love to see the judge's face when your attorney presents the judge with the doctor's report stating that dad has alzheimers and then the POA that the attorney had dad sign. Petitioning for guardianship should not cost the amount of money you stated. The judge can even appoint a temporary guardian at that hearing should he/she want to have bad sister and her attorney produce an accounting of dad's assests, etc. If you go into your control panel (user CP) and activated private messaging, I will send you some info regarding attorney fees and guardians.

It's really suspicious that criminal, drug addict brother had the money to buy dad's house and that he works for bad sister's attorney. The judge can order bad sister and the attorney to produce what happened to the sale of the house and for them to have a total accounting of dad's money. Your sister was to set up a Representative Payee account for dad's Social Security. Dad's SS cannot be co-mingled with sister's money. Your criminal druggie brother is isolating your father - another sign of elder abuse.

Do the guardianship first. What is the nature of your disability? It could affect your eligibility to be dad's guardian. What about dad's sister and your good brother?
 
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justice4dad

Junior Member
BlondiePB said:
justice4dad, just file for guardianship for dad. You want sister and her attorney to contest. I would love to see the judge's face when your attorney presents the judge with the doctor's report stating that dad has alzheimers and then the POA that the attorney had dad sign. Petitioning for guardianship should not cost the amount of money you stated. The judge can even appoint a temporary guardian at that hearing should he/she want to have bad sister and her attorney produce an accounting of dad's assests, etc. If you go into your control panel (user CP) and activated private messaging, I will send you some info regarding attorney fees and guardians.

BlondiePB,The drug addict brother didn't buy the house,he moved in with his girlfriend after my sister's had dad sign for the purchase of the house they moved him into. Which is also werd, he did not sign the purhase agreement to sell his home, nor the act of sale. But then he was able to sign the paper work to purchase the house they moved him to.

It's really suspicious that criminal, drug addict brother had the money to buy dad's house and that he works for bad sister's attorney. The judge can order bad sister and the attorney to produce what happened to the sale of the house and for them to have a total accounting of dad's money. Your sister was to set up a Representative Payee account for dad's Social Security. Dad's SS cannot be co-mingled with sister's money. Your criminal druggie brother is isolating your father - another sign of elder abuse.
I actived the private messaging.
 

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