PSES & Moving To Another State

[gml659]

What is the name of your state? WA.

As many of you know my Ex-Wife sued me for Post Secondary Ed and was awarded same to my estranged adult son.

If I move to another state is the Order of Post Secondary Support enforceable? Especially if the state I am moving to finds PSES unconstitutional?

Please no moralizing. Just Yes or No with a explanation.

Thank You,

GML

 

[rmet4nzkx]

What is the name of your state? WA.

As many of you know my Ex-Wife sued me for Post Secondary Ed and was awarded same to my estranged adult son.

If I move to another state is the Order of Post Secondary Support enforceable? Especially if the state I am moving to finds PSES unconstitutional?

Please no moralizing. Just Yes or No with a explanation.

Thank You,

GML

Yes, Yes.
Yes, it is true, you have no morals that is why your son is estranged, because he is no more than a pawn to you. You obviously don't love you children, otherwise you would not lie to them, making promises to them that you never intended to keep.

No doubt you will have the same problems with you second son.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=179427


I only read your very first post, and I posted it here. People can't help but be "MORAL", when reading your threads. Don't post, and you will not get raked over the coals.

You are a sad picture of a father and I pity your children.

You wanted another opinion, and you got it. What you are seeking is a biased opinion for "YOUR" actions.

18 year old kids, tend to be difficult, you on the other hand are the parent

 

[LdiJ]

What is the name of your state? WA.

As many of you know my Ex-Wife sued me for Post Secondary Ed and was awarded same to my estranged adult son.

If I move to another state is the Order of Post Secondary Support enforceable? Especially if the state I am moving to finds PSES unconstitutional?

Please no moralizing. Just Yes or No with a explanation.

Thank You,

GML

The order is enforceable no matter where you live. I don't think that any state has found PSES unconstitutional. If you want to permanently estrange your children then keep this up.

 

[gml659]

I re-read my post from May. Your point is???

This is not about $$$$. It is about respect. The amount of money I am paying I was willing to spend anyway until he Dissed me.

This young man has so utterly disrespected me that I am in disbelief. I know, I caused it....right??. You all are not correct. You all don't know the full story.

I have had friends who's kids disrespected them and they did not pay for College. How is my desire here any different from them? Were my friends wrong too? I remember one friend used to call his adult daughter an efing b***......they are ok now.

My wife and I have a mutual friend. He paid for ALL his kids (2) College. Guess what, his kids are brats about it. They blow him off. He still hasn't seen his grandkids. After 20yrs he is still paying $3,000/month Alimoney to his Ex because the Attorny forgot to include an expiration date on it.

Chuck Yeager wrote ALL his kids out of his Will because, in his opinion, they were ALL A-Holes.

Does anyone here believe in Tough Love???? So in ANY OR ALL circumstances I should just fork over to my A-Hole son ANY amount of money he wants. Keep in mind *I* love him enough to call him an "A-HOLE". Many modern day parents don't care enough even to care enough. Many couldn't even care enough to get angry like I am. I know these type of Parents....I have worked with them.

I don't agree with you all. Everyone has a point....mine was crossed.

In fact PSES IS illegal in many states:

http://www.dadsamerica.org/18.htm

 

[LdiJ]

I re-read my post from May. Your point is???

This is not about $$$$. It is about respect. The amount of money I am paying I was willing to spend anyway until he Dissed me.

This young man has so utterly disrespected me that I am in disbelief. I know, I caused it....right??. You all are not correct. You all don't know the full story.

I have had friends who's kids disrespected them and they did not pay for College. How is my desire here any different from them? Were my friends wrong too? I remember one friend used to call his adult daughter an efing b***......they are ok now.

My wife and I have a mutual friend. He paid for ALL his kids (2) College. Guess what, his kids are brats about it. They blow him off. He still hasn't seen his grandkids. After 20yrs he is still paying $3,000/month Alimoney to his Ex because the Attorny forgot to include an expiration date on it.

Chuck Yeager wrote ALL his kids out of his Will because, in his opinion, they were ALL A-Holes.

Does anyone here believe in Tough Love???? So in ANY OR ALL circumstances I should just fork over to my A-Hole son ANY amount of money he wants. Keep in mind *I* love him enough to call him an "A-HOLE". Many modern day parents don't care enough even to care enough. Many couldn't even care enough to get angry like I am. I know these type of Parents....I have worked with them.

I don't agree with you all. Everyone has a point....mine was crossed.

In fact PSES IS illegal in many states:

http://www.dadsamerica.org/18.htm

Well...you absolutely cannot count on the accuracy of that website. It states that Indiana's laws are silent on PSES....which couldn't be more inaccurate. In Indiana child support goes until age 21 or emancipation, whichever comes first....It also says that NY has "restrictive laws" and in NY child support also goes to age 21 or emancipation.....and going to college DOES NOT count as emancipation.

I notice that you are very careful not to mention just exactly HOW your son "dissed" you. The only specifics that I ever recall you mentioning was that your son yelled at you when he found out you were taking his mother to court (and that was to be expected). Clearly you want to hold the money over his head like a hammer, to get him to do what you want. Well...its too late. The judge has already ruled. You also DID agree to this in your divorce decree.

 

[gml659]

>>>Clearly you want to hold the money over his head like a hammer, to get him to do what you want.<<<<

What parent DOESN'T do that?? In fact who in this world DOES NOT do this? If you diss your boss at work will you get a pay raise? Might you loose your job? It is MY money....not his. He has a long history of dissing me. Back stabbing me. He is an 18yo....a little reality would go a long way. You all act like he is a 4yo and I dropped him off in a huge city for him to fend on his own.

How many of you all out there paid for YOUR OWN college? Were your parents not paying a sign of CRUEL or ABUSIVE behavior?


>>>Well...its too late. The judge has already ruled. You also DID agree to this in your divorce decree.<<<

NO. I did not agree to it in my Divorce Decree. It was "reserved" and I had no choice.

GML

 

[gml659]

Connecticut Legislative Hearings on PSES 1994:


REP. TULISANO: Let me tell you my problem. When I went to college, my father says, you’ve got to go to work, I can’t afford it. Under your rule, if he divorced my mother, my mother could then sue him to get me the education. But we stayed together as a happy family giving me, the first person who testified here, a good fatherly loving care and concern, but he couldn’t afford to send me to college, too bad. Right?



We’d like to treat the children of divorced parents better than the children of families that are united?



SALLY OLDHAM: What we are proposing is to remedy a situation where the children of divorce are not getting what most children in most intact families are getting. That’s not to say there aren’t exceptions on both sides.



REP. TULISANO: They will be entitled to get it then. We’re giving them a methodology by which they may receive court ordered sanctions to obtain support, or post, that other kids may not be entitled to get.

 

[LdiJ]

Connecticut Legislative Hearings on PSES 1994:


REP. TULISANO: Let me tell you my problem. When I went to college, my father says, you’ve got to go to work, I can’t afford it. Under your rule, if he divorced my mother, my mother could then sue him to get me the education. But we stayed together as a happy family giving me, the first person who testified here, a good fatherly loving care and concern, but he couldn’t afford to send me to college, too bad. Right?



We’d like to treat the children of divorced parents better than the children of families that are united?



SALLY OLDHAM: What we are proposing is to remedy a situation where the children of divorce are not getting what most children in most intact families are getting. That’s not to say there aren’t exceptions on both sides.



REP. TULISANO: They will be entitled to get it then. We’re giving them a methodology by which they may receive court ordered sanctions to obtain support, or post, that other kids may not be entitled to get.

AND???? Look, I just spent a some time browsing through the posts that you have made on all the various boards on this site.

You are trying/have tried to sue the person that inspected your home, you are trying/have tried to sue a neighbor in regards to a dispute.

You blackmailed your ex and kids into counseling and you now want action taken against the counselor because you believe the counselor is biased and led them down the wrong path.

You are suing your wife for contempt for no reason other than to try to get her punished (it provides no other benefit to you at all) and you can't understand why that upsets your children.

You want a hammer to hold over your kids heads to get the respect that you want instead of earning it.

You are a very angry man with some serious control issues. You are going to end up just like your friend who doesn't get to see his grandkids....and its going to be no one's fault but your own.

Drop all the legal BS....apologize to your kids for making their lives a turmoil for at least the last 6 months....and try to repair the damage. All you are doing is giving them proof that everything their mother said about you is accurate!

 

[AHA]

You can't compare your behavior to a boss as the same as your behaviour to a son!!!! YOU created the kid and YOU brought him up. If he has turned into a spoiled, dissing brat, from whom do you think he picked up those qualities??? A person doesn't become an ass all on his own. And the fact that your friend called his daughter a b***h says everything about who you are in keeping friends like that.
If you want to keep every stinking penny of yours for yourself, put on a condom!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your poor kid didn't ask to be born, unlucky for him
Crap on the road is worthy more respect than a pitiful excuse of a parent like you.
Have a nice life in your miserable lonely existance.

 

[gml659]

It has been a very bad legal year for myself.

My home was about to collapse. The Inspection Company screwed up.

The Neighbor is violating my water rights. Me and my other neighbor turned him in.

I did not get to raise my Son. His Mother did. She taught him all the tricks of the trade. She alienated him from me. I am sure I deserved it though.

If I am such an Ass why does my Ex still send me "I Love You" emails? Keep in mind SHE is married.

GML

 

[AHA]

It might very well be, that she still loves you, but that doesn't mean that she's well in the head. Even mentally insane people can say nice things to screw you over. What has her love gotten you so far?