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CdwJava

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No, if you are going to claim that the image was altered YOU will have to submit proof. I suspect that your attorney is not going to allow you to even raise this question absent SOMETHING tangible. You cannot simply say it's been altered and then fold your arms and say, "Prove it's not." It does not work that way. Claiming that something COULD have been altered is not sufficient. If that were the case all any defendant in a civil or criminal matter would have to do is come up with a half-baked reason why someone MIGHT lie in their testimony and then the burden would shift to the witness to prove they are not lying - a near impossibility.

Follow your attorney's lead on this, don't go off into never-never land where you might find yourself in trouble with the court. And if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then let it stand and prove that you did nothing wrong. Why muddy the waters without any reason to believe that they are muddy to begin with?
 
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leventhal

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Many thanks CdwJava for your valuable answer and for clarifying my confusion. This will help me a lot while talking to my attorney as well as in the court.
 

quincy

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Thank you. I have mentioned my reasons that look reasonable for me to believe that the forensic image is altered. Once I rise my suspicions, I think there is a burden of proof (that the image is not altered) on the local forensic company as well because (i). it failed to meet the court given deadlines by several months (ii). there are weaknesses in Encase and (iii). I have dispute with the person who really collected the forensic image from my computer (iv). I have no chance to look at a copy of that image. (v). the local company lied in the past that I never submitted the computer: the forensic image is in the lier�s hand.

Finally, my computer has no incriminating evidence in it but my goal is to stop this forensic image to be used as a witness so that the plaintiff reaches a dead end.

Have your attorney guide you, leventhal, because everything you mention above (including possible bias by an examiner) has to be introduced carefully and with good support.

The forensic examiner will have documents to show the process used to retrieve the data from your computer and will testify to its authenticity and reliability. Your attorney will need to find flaws in the examination of your computer (the process, the results), in the examiner's testimony (looking into his qualifications, his testimony in past cases) and in the documents presented by the examiner used to support the examination and his testimony. Your attorney will want to argue that the computer evidence should be given no weight or little weight due to the pointed-out flaws (if any) and your attorney will probably suggest having an expert or experts of your own as counterbalance.

I strongly advise that you do not make any public claims about the local company or its workers. Save discussion of this for talks with your lawyer. You already have enough to handle with the one action filed against you. You do not want to defame the local forensics company by making false statements about it or those who work for the company. You could find yourself facing another lawsuit if you do.

Your situation is complicated in several ways. You did not have your own forensics expert examine your computer prior to its destruction, and you apparently do not have your own forensics expert now, so you have little to use in your defense to show there were modifications or alterations made to your computer contents.

If you attempt to challenge any data that was retrieved from your computer, the fact that you no longer have your computer can be used by the plaintiffs to show spoliation of evidence. This can potentially lead to sanctions. Parties have lost their cases on spoliation of evidence alone. Whether the loss of your computer will be a factor in your case, after the computer has already been examined, is a question mark but it needs to be considered.

The bottom line is that you need good support for any claims you make. And, apparently, you need a lot of good luck. :)
 

justalayman

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first, why are you prodding the local company to do anything? Their failure to act is in your best interest. If they fail to provide the image to the examiner by the time court rolls around, well, there is nothing to be used against you. If the plaintiff wants to argue for a continuance, you argue against one. Prompting them simply, if anything, gets them to actually forward the image to the examiner where any damning evidence will end up in court. Not the best of actions on your part.

Second, a failure to argue the appointment of this local company when the court did knowing there was an employee there who you are now claiming might have reason to sabotage the image is not going to bode well for you. You should have objected to the appointment at the time the court appointed them. Not objecting knowing what you knew was tacit acceptance of the company. I doubt a court will give a rat's behind care about your claim that there is an employee that you do not like .



Third, if you want to argue the image has been tampered with, you will have to hire you own forensics examiner to examine the image to attempt to discern modifications. Claiming it is possible is not going to win you any argument.



as to the destruction of your computer: hard drives are pretty durable. Unless the computer was engulfed in fire the HDD and the data on the HDD likely survived. I surely hope you have pictures of a melted pool of plastic to show the court the computer was so damaged the data would likely have not survived before you discarded it.
 
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