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just4ladejane

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Mississippi

I have a simple invention, I have sent info to Invent Tech and Inventors helpline. They both claim they are extrememly excited about my project and want to get started right away. They state it remains confidential, both offer alot of services. Now people are telling me these company's will rip me off. Company's are requesting $675-875.00 to start process: Portfolio's, Graphic Illustrators, Patent Attorney, researching and marketing product, trade shows etc, they sound legit.

One offers patent, the other doesn't. My product is so simple I don't think I need a patent. The company states they will register and get certification from patent company that claims me as owner...that patent not neccessary or protection due to fact that anyone can make a few changes (12%) and then patent wpouldn't cover it.

I am leaning toward Invent Tech. Help me decide!! PLease!! Are these scamming company's or can they really help me!!
 


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Tabbico

Guest
Have you checked the Better Business Bureau on the companies?
 

just4ladejane

Junior Member
RE: Invention companies

I checked with BBB on internet, One did check out fine, the other did not. So if they have checked out fine through the BBB over the past 12 months, I can trust them?

Thank you for any input. It is difficult trusting anyone these days. I want to get my invention out there.

Also, is registering and getting certified or certificate with patent office OK with such a simple idea. (Rather than getting Patent)?
 

divgradcurl

Senior Member
My product is so simple I don't think I need a patent.

This doesn't make any sense at all -- if it's a simple invention, it arguably needs patent protection even more than a complex invention does!

I have a simple invention, I have sent info to Invent Tech and Inventors helpline. They both claim they are extrememly excited about my project and want to get started right away. They state it remains confidential, both offer alot of services. Now people are telling me these company's will rip me off. Company's are requesting $675-875.00 to start process: Portfolio's, Graphic Illustrators, Patent Attorney, researching and marketing product, trade shows etc, they sound legit.

What do promise they will do? What guarantees of confidentiality do they promise -- are they in writing? Further, if you are not seeking patent protection, why does confidentiality matter?

The company states they will register and get certification from patent company that claims me as owner...that patent not neccessary or protection due to fact that anyone can make a few changes (12%) and then patent wpouldn't cover it.

This also makes so sense at all. If you know what it takes to "get around" the patent, why couldn't a patent be drafted in such a way to keep someone from doing that "12%?"

Of course, if your invention isn't patentable in the first place, then I would see why you wouldn't need a patent!

Also, is registering and getting certified or certificate with patent office OK with such a simple idea. (Rather than getting Patent)?

Here's the reality -- there are only 2 ways, and only 2 ways, to protect an invention. The first is to keep it secret -- but that only works for as long as you can actually keep it secret, and if it is a product that you want to sell, well, you can't relly keep it secret and sell it, can you?

The other was is by a patent.

If you don't patent the invention, or don't keep it secret, or if the invention isn't patentable, then there is NO WAY to protect it. Period.

If you invent a widget, and do not obtain patent protection or keep it secret, I could buy a widget from you, reverse engineer it, and make my own widgets and sell them -- and there is NOTHING you could do to stop me. That's why I suggested above that a simple invention may need a patent MORE than a complicated invention, because if it is simple, anyone could manufacture their own version and you wouldn't be able to sell any yourself.

I'm not trying to discourage you, just trying to let you in on the reality of the whole situation. There are no "certificates" or "certifications" that will provide you with ANY protection -- only a patent can protect you.

And further, think about it -- what company is going to want to purchase the rights to your invention if it can't be protected? Why would any company want to ramp up production on your widgets if they knew that as soon as they sold one, other's could maybe undercut them in price?

Rather than spend the $675-875.00 now, I would do a coupl eof things. First, try and contact a local patent agent or attorney who can review your invention and let you know if it is something that could be patented. They can also tell you what it might cost, and give their opinions based on their experience whether you have anything worthwhile or not. An agent will likely by cheaper than an attorney; as long as they are register with the US Patent Office, either can help you out. You can go here to search for an agent or attorney in your area: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/olia/oed/roster/index.html

Second, contact these invention submission corps and find out what they offer, and get everything IN WRITING. They are asking for a lot of money up front, so find out exactly WHAT they are promising. You may also want to discuss what they say with an agent or attorney; they very well may have some further insight in to these groups.
 
just4ladejane said:
What is the name of your state? Mississippi

I have a simple invention, I have sent info to Invent Tech and Inventors helpline. They both claim they are extrememly excited about my project and want to get started right away. They state it remains confidential, both offer alot of services. Now people are telling me these company's will rip me off. Company's are requesting $675-875.00 to start process: Portfolio's, Graphic Illustrators, Patent Attorney, researching and marketing product, trade shows etc, they sound legit.

One offers patent, the other doesn't. My product is so simple I don't think I need a patent. The company states they will register and get certification from patent company that claims me as owner...that patent not neccessary or protection due to fact that anyone can make a few changes (12%) and then patent wpouldn't cover it.

Hi from Minnesota

Say, please send me one of that invention of yours so I can Legally make
possibly Lot's of $$$$ on it!! Ask your patent people about this: say I make
a product similar to yours and you Do have a patent, you May stand to make
a Lot of money on Royalties. ( A percentage of My profits.)???
Let me tell you about Alexander Grahm Bell, you know, the guy who invented the telephone? He did not think it was anything Big at the time either. Niether did the guy who actually Did have the basic Ideas and built a similar product at the same time or before. The one credited with the invention was the first one to reach the Patent Office and have it Patented. The other guy fooled around and showed up within a short time after and was told it was already patented. Take a look at his biography online sometime. Of course this Patent also protected any and all relatives and future relatives (as long as the patent was renewed and not sold.) There may be some very grateful not to mention very well to do descendents out there. Make sure you do your homework first and until you make your decisions, mum is the word. A certification, hum. Do you need both? I think you should call a local Attorney Or 2 and ask a couple questions. The calls are free, but don't be quick to sign anything from them yet till you are done with your homework. You may not even need one. Good Luck to You ~Mary~
 
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divgradcurl

Senior Member
Just a couple of points:

you May stand to make
a Lot of money on Royalties. ( A percentage of My profits.)???

Possibly true, but you have to sue (or threarten to sue) usually before you can get a potential infringer to cough up royalties or licensing fees. But you are right -- you must have a patent first to even think about it!

The one credited with the invention was the first one to reach the Patent Office and have it Patented.

Not quite correct. This would be a perfectly correct statement most everywhere else in the world but the U.S. In the U.S., we have a "first to invent" system, so even if you are not the first to apply for a patent, if you can prove that you are the first to invent the invention, you'll get the patent.

Virtually all of rest of the world uses a "first to file" system, which is what you described.

Take a look at his biography online sometime. Of course this Patent also protected any and all relatives and future relatives (as long as the patent was renewed and not sold.)

Patents back before June, 1995, had a duration of 17 years from the date that they issued. Since June, 1995, the U.S. has come into synch with the rest of the world, and now U.S. patents are valid for 20 years from when they were filed (actually "earliest effective filing date," but filing date is close enough for this discussion). Patents, unlike copyrights, are not renewable, so once their original term is over, that's it. By the way, since 1976, copyrights aren't renewable either, but since the newer terms are so long, who cares.
 
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just4ladejane

Junior Member
Thank you

Thanks to all of you for your insight. You have really opened up my eyes.

Regarding patent, this company stated that I will be certified and registered with the patent company, that it doesn't HAVE to be patented.

I am definitely going to check on this. I, too, thought that it would have to be patented for protection.

I will keep you posted as to my (potential) fortune!!
 
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Sarge98

Guest
U-Need a Patent!!!

A paperclip has a patent! It doesn't matter how simple it is. I am considering working with Invent-Tech out of Miami Florida. "They say" that they offer a full refund if 1. There ia an existing patent on a similar idea. and 2. If you decide not to utilize their services.
 

ptlmejo

Member
If they're even offering a patent attorney at that price, it's a good deal.

They're often expensive because they have to:
1. Submit the patent for you.
2. Defend it in court should the need arise.

A private one that I've checked with for a side-biz of mine said something in the neighborhood of $2000.
 

lavarock

Junior Member
Not a good deal

Generally these companies offer little to help you, yet more ways to take your money.

After complaints, one company now states they "Help you take your product to THE NEXT LEVEL" which means absolutely nothing. I would think that if these companies were on the up and up, they would not need to do media blitzes but would rather have lots of business from word of mouth.

Clark Howard, the national consumer advisor, says that these companies usually work in 3 steps. 1) They offer free advice on an 800 number, 2) they request $500 to fund "research" and 3) request over $5,000 to perform "further research"

Then he says that one company was forced to reveal that only about 1% actually got a patent through their company... makes you wonder what they do with all that money.

Go to your local bookstore and get a book such as "Patent it Yourself" - by David Pressman or "Inventing and Patenting Sourcebook" - by Richard Levy which may help or look up a local non-profit investors club where you might get free advice and help.
 

corrupt copper

Junior Member
lavarock said:
I would think that if these companies were on the up and up, they would not need to do media blitzes but would rather have lots of business from word of mouth.


thats what i have always said to myself.........good info
 

TeLeKiNeSiS

Junior Member
Invent-Tech

just4ladejane said:
I checked with BBB on internet, One did check out fine, the other did not. So if they have checked out fine through the BBB over the past 12 months, I can trust them?

Thank you for any input. It is difficult trusting anyone these days. I want to get my invention out there.

Also, is registering and getting certified or certificate with patent office OK with such a simple idea. (Rather than getting Patent)?

Missouri

I too have just recently started dealing with Invent-Tech. I requested info from them years ago but never took it seriously. They bugged for me 2 years so I decided to finally take the risk and go for it. The guy was like if you are skeptical just contact the BBB in their respective state. So, being lazy I just went to the BBB site on the internet and it says they have a good standing. It stated that a good standing meant no outstanding complaints or whatever so I thought okay I'm cool. BOY WAS I WRONG! I talked to my ex-girlfriend's dad and he schooled me on some things because he's been down this same path. So, I got discouraged and now I'm doing my homework and fighting to protect my idea. I don't know why I would use the internet to find out info on the company's BBB standing but not do a search for the company in respect to other's experiences. Now, I've already submitted this damn form and I'm worried about my idea getting stolen. I'm not going to tell them I don't want to work with them but I've contacted a patent lawyer and I will probably contact a patent agent because someone on here suggested it may be cheaper.

I saw one sight where the guy was told the exact same thing I was. They said "Oh, your idea has been approved and we're taking it to the next step." Blah Blah Blah and they had me excited but I felt like a fool and the days end after I finally did the research I should've done prior to submitting my idea. I've read a few things but from what another inventor said, "There's nothing that they can do that you can't do on your own." I have a LOOOOOOONG road ahead of me.
 
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edgarinventor

Junior Member
Invent tech's not worht it

What is the name of your state? Mississippi

I have a simple invention, I have sent info to Invent Tech and Inventors helpline. They both claim they are extrememly excited about my project and want to get started right away. They state it remains confidential, both offer alot of services. Now people are telling me these company's will rip me off. Company's are requesting $675-875.00 to start process: Portfolio's, Graphic Illustrators, Patent Attorney, researching and marketing product, trade shows etc, they sound legit.

One offers patent, the other doesn't. My product is so simple I don't think I need a patent. The company states they will register and get certification from patent company that claims me as owner...that patent not neccessary or protection due to fact that anyone can make a few changes (12%) and then patent wpouldn't cover it.

I am leaning toward Invent Tech. Help me decide!! PLease!! Are these scamming company's or can they really help me!!

Do yourself a favor, go to theloneinventor.com or eastlondoninventorsclub.com
Do not trust those Invent tech guys, they start by saying outright, "don't let the SCARE TACTICS fool you", now if they were legit, they'd just prove they're OK, not badmouth their opponent's reputation.

They send you a fancy Certificate-In Cheapo paper, and the certificate's seal is PRINTED, not a real one!

Add two and two, and Google "invent tech scam". You'll see I'm right!
 

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