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kryzif

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Pennsylvania

I'm having a problem with my purchase in Pennsylvania. My boyfriend and I signed a standard agreement of sale for the purchase of real estate. It is a tenant-occupied property, and they are under a verbal lease. The seller stated that he has to give the tenant a 30 day notice, and would not do this until all of our buyer contingencies were met. The only contingencies on the contract that we were to complete was a home inspection, pest inspection, and a mortgage financing contingency. We applied for a mortgage 4 business days after recieving the fully ratified contract. The seller wanted to wait to recieve the mortgage commitment letter before giving notice to the tenant. We got our mortgage commitment letter back with conditions on it that had to be taken care of before settlement in order to secure the financing. We have cleared all of the conditions we can clear without having a set date for settlement. I work for a settlement company in PA, so we have an attorney on hand. The seller is now wanting us to sign an "Agreement of Sale Release" because he claims that we will not acknowledge the lease and accept the property with a tenant in it. We cannot do this because of the type of loan we are applying for, first of all, and I don't feel we should be given the responsibility of someone else's tenant for less than fair market rent in the first place. I have talked to our attorney at hand, and he told me that we are well within our rights, and have not been "non-compliant with Section 18A, Section 2" of the Agreement of Sale. We allowed the seller to wait for the satisfactory appraisal to come back even though this was not a contingency of the contract. We do not want to release this seller, because then we will only get our deposit money back, and not any damages. (We've already spent $650 in inspections and appraisal fees.) Should we threaten to file suit if he breaches the contract? Is he currently in breach of the contract? Our contract specifically states that any existing leases that are to be acknowledged by us, the buyers, are to be acknowledged by initialing a copy of the lease at the execution of the agreement of sale. Since we did not recieve a copy of any such leases, are we right in assuming we would recieve the property vacant? Can the seller back out of this deal without us agreeing to it? Will he be responsible for our fees that we have incurred thus far?
How good is a verbal month-to-month lease in Pennsylvania and how much notice is actually required to be given to the tenant under such a lease?

This has become a complicated situation, which was black and white when we wrote the contract. Oh, and each party (buyer and seller) have seperate real estate agents working for them. (Meaning we have our own, and he has his own.)

How much of an aggervation and headache is it to file suit for damages in PA?

Thank you for all your help and advice in advance.

Krystle, in complicated PA
 


HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
What is the name of your state? Pennsylvania

I'm having a problem with my purchase in Pennsylvania. My boyfriend and I signed a standard agreement of sale for the purchase of real estate. It is a tenant-occupied property, and they are under a verbal lease. The seller stated that he has to give the tenant a 30 day notice, and would not do this until all of our buyer contingencies were met. The only contingencies on the contract that we were to complete was a home inspection, pest inspection, and a mortgage financing contingency. We applied for a mortgage 4 business days after recieving the fully ratified contract. The seller wanted to wait to recieve the mortgage commitment letter before giving notice to the tenant. We got our mortgage commitment letter back with conditions on it that had to be taken care of before settlement in order to secure the financing. We have cleared all of the conditions we can clear without having a set date for settlement. I work for a settlement company in PA, so we have an attorney on hand. The seller is now wanting us to sign an "Agreement of Sale Release" because he claims that we will not acknowledge the lease and accept the property with a tenant in it. We cannot do this because of the type of loan we are applying for, first of all, and I don't feel we should be given the responsibility of someone else's tenant for less than fair market rent in the first place. I have talked to our attorney at hand, and he told me that we are well within our rights, and have not been "non-compliant with Section 18A, Section 2" of the Agreement of Sale. We allowed the seller to wait for the satisfactory appraisal to come back even though this was not a contingency of the contract. We do not want to release this seller, because then we will only get our deposit money back, and not any damages. (We've already spent $650 in inspections and appraisal fees.) Should we threaten to file suit if he breaches the contract? Is he currently in breach of the contract? Our contract specifically states that any existing leases that are to be acknowledged by us, the buyers, are to be acknowledged by initialing a copy of the lease at the execution of the agreement of sale. Since we did not recieve a copy of any such leases, are we right in assuming we would recieve the property vacant? Can the seller back out of this deal without us agreeing to it? Will he be responsible for our fees that we have incurred thus far?
How good is a verbal month-to-month lease in Pennsylvania and how much notice is actually required to be given to the tenant under such a lease?

This has become a complicated situation, which was black and white when we wrote the contract. Oh, and each party (buyer and seller) have seperate real estate agents working for them. (Meaning we have our own, and he has his own.)

How much of an aggervation and headache is it to file suit for damages in PA?

Thank you for all your help and advice in advance.

Krystle, in complicated PA

**A: without reviewing the contract we can't tell if the seller is in breach. Have your attorney review the contract and advise you accordingly.
 

kryzif

Junior Member
what about the lease?

What about the verbal lease? How does that work in PA? Can that be held up in court? And what about the notice to the tenant?

My attorney has reviewed the contract and all addenda, and states that if the seller expects to convey the property with the tenant occupying the premises, then he is in breach of the contract because we should have been made aware of any leases prior to signing or at the signing of the agreement of sale. I don't want to file suit against this seller for damages unless I have to, because I know that it can be a headache.

What rights do I have as a buyer in the situation of the seller actually being in breach of the contract? Can he back out of the deal and not sell us the house? Can we force him to sell us the house by filing suit and enforcing the contract?

Thanks again for your advice. This issue is making me NUTS! :eek:
 

kryzif

Junior Member
help?

Can anyone else offer any suggestions? I am thinking of hiring an attorney to handle the whole transaction for me since it has become such an involved ordeal, but I wanted to see if anyone else had anything else they would like to add or offer for advice. :rolleyes:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
What about the verbal lease? How does that work in PA? Can that be held up in court? And what about the notice to the tenant?

My attorney has reviewed the contract and all addenda, and states that if the seller expects to convey the property with the tenant occupying the premises, then he is in breach of the contract because we should have been made aware of any leases prior to signing or at the signing of the agreement of sale. I don't want to file suit against this seller for damages unless I have to, because I know that it can be a headache.

What rights do I have as a buyer in the situation of the seller actually being in breach of the contract? Can he back out of the deal and not sell us the house? Can we force him to sell us the house by filing suit and enforcing the contract?

Thanks again for your advice. This issue is making me NUTS! :eek:

**A: this post states that you have an attorney.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
Can anyone else offer any suggestions? I am thinking of hiring an attorney to handle the whole transaction for me since it has become such an involved ordeal, but I wanted to see if anyone else had anything else they would like to add or offer for advice. :rolleyes:


**A: this post states that you are thinking of hiring an attorney.
You are driving us NUTS.
 

kryzif

Junior Member
HomeGuru said:
**A: this post states that you are thinking of hiring an attorney.
You are driving us NUTS.
I stated that I have an attorney at hand where I work. I am referring to him as "my attorney" so that the post makes sense. When I say that I am thinking of hiring an attorney to handle this, I am simply stating that I would be willing to PAY for legal services, rather than just consulting the attorney that I have at hand.
HomeGuru, if all you have is an opinion, it's of no help to me. If you have ADVICE, then please share. I wanted legal advice, not an opinion from some random user. You're driving ME nuts! :eek:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
I stated that I have an attorney at hand where I work. I am referring to him as "my attorney" so that the post makes sense. When I say that I am thinking of hiring an attorney to handle this, I am simply stating that I would be willing to PAY for legal services, rather than just consulting the attorney that I have at hand.

**A: Oh, now that actually makes sense.
********
HomeGuru, if all you have is an opinion, it's of no help to me. If you have ADVICE, then please share.

**A: Ok, please tell us what the difference is between an opinion and ADVICE?
***********
I wanted legal advice, not an opinion from some random user. You're driving ME nuts! :eek:


**A: I am not a random user. That is a criminal terminology describing a drug user.
I am a condom user.
 

kryzif

Junior Member
veronicalouise said:
LMAO, stop it, can't stand it. I love it, if you have no legal advice, random user, lol, in otherwords, buzz off.... Can't wait to hear what's coming next....
Yeah, I don't want to get into an argument with this guy, but his opinion is not helping me. If he actually gave me useful advice, then that would be way more helpful than just saying that I'm driving him nuts. I'm sure he'll have something smart to say back, as I've read many of his other recent posts and he never actually offers legal advice, which is what people come here seeking. Doesn't make any sense to me. It's quite puzzling why he'd even waste his "precious" time. :confused:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
veronicalouise said:
LMAO, stop it, can't stand it. I love it, if you have no legal advice, random user, lol, in otherwords, buzz off.... Can't wait to hear what's coming next....

**A: this is a riot. If a random user of this website means over 50K posts, I wonder how many posts a user must have to qualify?
 

kryzif

Junior Member
HomeGuru said:
**A: I am not a random user. That is a criminal terminology describing a drug user.
I am a condom user.
Opinion is just an opinion, not legal advice, which I came here in search of.
Criminal terminology? Who said I was using criminal terminology? And why would I care if you use condoms or not? It's really quite irrelevant, but you have a nice way of getting off topic. :rolleyes:
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
Opinion is just an opinion, not legal advice, which I came here in search of.
Criminal terminology? Who said I was using criminal terminology? And why would I care if you use condoms or not? It's really quite irrelevant, but you have a nice way of getting off topic. :rolleyes:


**A: Ok, then explain what a legal opinion is.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
kryzif said:
Again, can anyone offer any HELPFUL advice instead of just being adversarial?


**A: no one is going to help you if you will not follow instructions and play by the rules.
 

kryzif

Junior Member
HomeGuru said:
**A: no one is going to help you if you will not follow instructions and play by the rules.
Follow instructions and play by the rules? That's interesting.. I'll keep that in mind...
Again, can anyone else offer any advice WITHOUT being adversarial?
 

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