Sheriff's Dept. wants to talk to me - what are my rights?

[CdwJava]

Oh, and nobody from CRASH is driving around because CRASH ceased to exist a few years ago.

LAPD may have it's problems, but when you have 8,000 officers there is bound to be problems. But they have taken some great strides to correct the problems that culminated in the Rampart scandal (which, by the way, I recall that zero jury convictions came from that scandal) and to prevent them from recurring. I can itemize the problems that led to the highly publicized problems if anyone were interested, but suffice it to say that the problems were correctable and have been dealt with.

If there ARE officers running around and breaking the law then someone needs to drop a dime on them. While the Rampart scandal was uncovered internally, sometimes problem officers aren't known until someone tells their superiors about the problem. So, airesflora, if you see an issue - tell someone! If you don't, then you are aiding in the ongoing problem.

The LAPD is an excellent organization. It is very large, very bureaucratic, and more progressive than most people give it credit for.

- Carl

 

[airesflora]

Of course a police officer would address this...

Oh, and nobody from CRASH is driving around because CRASH ceased to exist a few years ago.

LAPD may have it's problems, but when you have 8,000 officers there is bound to be problems. But they have taken some great strides to correct the problems that culminated in the Rampart scandal (which, by the way, I recall that zero jury convictions came from that scandal) and to prevent them from recurring. I can itemize the problems that led to the highly publicized problems if anyone were interested, but suffice it to say that the problems were correctable and have been dealt with.

If there ARE officers running around and breaking the law then someone needs to drop a dime on them. While the Rampart scandal was uncovered internally, sometimes problem officers aren't known until someone tells their superiors about the problem. So, airesflora, if you see an issue - tell someone! If you don't, then you are aiding in the ongoing problem.

The LAPD is an excellent organization. It is very large, very bureaucratic, and more progressive than most people give it credit for.

- Carl

I would expect a police officer to have a sensitivity towards this. That's not exactly brain surgery. But for the record, here's a site anyone can research what happened with LAPD's CRASH Unit. While they may be disassembled, there are still quite a few officers in Rampart continuing the same behavior. They have been turned in by many and of course the LAPD protects it's own.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/scandal/

Our friends are police officers who do they're jobs honestly. Even they comment on the disgusting problems with the LAPD and one was employed there before he moved to Northern Cal. He is now the Chief of Police of a small city outside of the Bay Area.

The problem is not my comments. The problem lies in the fact that disciplinary action is not taken seriously in LA. Blame that on your peers, not the people disgusted by it. No person who is a law abiding citizen should have reason to fear a city's police force. Unfortunately, many do in LA. That's not without reason. IF you don't want people to have this feeling, then clean up the LAPD internally. Quit denying the problem exists and hire honest and competent officers who also find these problems disgusting. Because there are many who would be happy to work for the LAPD that don't have the problems of the convicted officers.

But the problem with CRASH was but ONE example of corrupt police. There have been many more. The origin of the CRASH unit was an incredible idea. It could have served a wonderful purpose, had the officers not become thugs themselves. Removing gang members doesn't break anyone's heart. But having officers remove drugs from the gang member and turn around and sell them on the streets is not helping the community. Nor is it helpful when they condone prostitution or take illegal money taken from criminals and purchase expensive hotel rooms in Vegas.

Now, to quote the Board of Inquiry:

"It is very clear that many of these officers allowed their personal integrity to erode and their activities certainly had a contagion effect on some of those around them. We, as an agency, must learn from what they did and establish systems to prevent and detect similar patterns and activities should they occur in the future. This scandal has devastated our relationship with the public we serve and threatened the integrity of our entire criminal justice system. Distrust, cynicism, fear of the police, and an erosion of community law and order are the inevitable result of a law enforcement agency whose ethics and integrity have become suspect. Clearly, public safety in this City has been harmed and it will take strong resolve by Department personnel, along with equally strong support from our City’s leaders, to correct the problems that allowed this breakdown. Hopefully, the findings of this unprecedented Board of Inquiry process will lead to meaningful remedial steps being put into practice to ensure a future LAPD of the highest ethical and integrity standards."

That's your fellows. They were as disgusted as the community. Clean up the police force and you won't be criticized. After all, the community did not force those officers to become corrupt.

And here's what Police Commissioner Rick Caruso felt about the way it was handled. Thank God this man is honest:

http://www.shepsblog.com/Criminaljustice/LAPDprobe081103.htm

 

[Van Duys]

Regardless whether it makes sense or not this is HOW it has gone down for the past three years.
I care not if you believe it or not.
The reason it does not make sense might be that maybe they are trying to serve me some sort of papers?
I do not believe I'm being harrassed by the Sheriff's although their methods would lead anybody to believe otherwise.
If this was really serious, a warrant would already have been issued, correct?
Thanks to everybody that has taken this question seriously.
Thnx especially to Airesfloras for your information.
Is anybody else bothered that Law Enforcement personnel constantly ridicule and otherwise troll this forum to prevent free legal advice from being disseminated?

 

[panzertanker]

My response...

I would expect a police officer to have a sensitivity towards this. That's not exactly brain surgery. But for the record, here's a site anyone can research what happened with LAPD's CRASH Unit. While they may be disassembled, there are still quite a few officers in Rampart continuing the same behavior. They have been turned in by many and of course the LAPD protects it's own.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/scandal/

Our friends are police officers who do they're jobs honestly. Even they comment on the disgusting problems with the LAPD and one was employed there before he moved to Northern Cal. He is now the Chief of Police of a small city outside of the Bay Area.

The problem is not my comments. The problem lies in the fact that disciplinary action is not taken seriously in LA. Blame that on your peers, not the people disgusted by it. No person who is a law abiding citizen should have reason to fear a city's police force. Unfortunately, many do in LA. That's not without reason. IF you don't want people to have this feeling, then clean up the LAPD internally. Quit denying the problem exists and hire honest and competent officers who also find these problems disgusting. Because there are many who would be happy to work for the LAPD that don't have the problems of the convicted officers.

But the problem with CRASH was but ONE example of corrupt police. There have been many more. The origin of the CRASH unit was an incredible idea. It could have served a wonderful purpose, had the officers not become thugs themselves. Removing gang members doesn't break anyone's heart. But having officers remove drugs from the gang member and turn around and sell them on the streets is not helping the community. Nor is it helpful when they condone prostitution or take illegal money taken from criminals and purchase expensive hotel rooms in Vegas.

Now, to quote the Board of Inquiry:

"It is very clear that many of these officers allowed their personal integrity to erode and their activities certainly had a contagion effect on some of those around them. We, as an agency, must learn from what they did and establish systems to prevent and detect similar patterns and activities should they occur in the future. This scandal has devastated our relationship with the public we serve and threatened the integrity of our entire criminal justice system. Distrust, cynicism, fear of the police, and an erosion of community law and order are the inevitable result of a law enforcement agency whose ethics and integrity have become suspect. Clearly, public safety in this City has been harmed and it will take strong resolve by Department personnel, along with equally strong support from our City’s leaders, to correct the problems that allowed this breakdown. Hopefully, the findings of this unprecedented Board of Inquiry process will lead to meaningful remedial steps being put into practice to ensure a future LAPD of the highest ethical and integrity standards."

That's your fellows. They were as disgusted as the community. Clean up the police force and you won't be criticized. After all, the community did not force those officers to become corrupt.

And here's what Police Commissioner Rick Caruso felt about the way it was handled. Thank God this man is honest:

http://www.shepsblog.com/Criminaljustice/LAPDprobe081103.htm

If you are so "gung ho" worried about the corruption in the LAPD, either do something about it or shut up. Making ignorant statements like" I would never trust the LAPD" is not beneficial in helping to resolve the problem. Rather, it perpetuates the problem by fostering an anymosity towards officers and creating a sterotype that ALL police are corrupt.

Lastly, after removing your head from your arse, you should feel free to post this in your OWN thread if you are so worked up about it.

Did you not think that making irresponsible statements, like the ones you made ealier, would not at least compel one of the law enforcement officers to respond to your idiotic assertations???

 

[panzertanker]

Regardless whether it makes sense or not this is HOW it has gone down for the past three years.
I care not if you believe it or not.
The reason it does not make sense might be that maybe they are trying to serve me some sort of papers?
I do not believe I'm being harrassed by the Sheriff's although their methods would lead anybody to believe otherwise.
If this was really serious, a warrant would already have been issued, correct?
Thanks to everybody that has taken this question seriously.
Thnx especially to Airesfloras for your information.
Is anybody else bothered that Law Enforcement personnel constantly ridicule and otherwise troll this forum to prevent free legal advice from being disseminated?

Please, by all means, show me proof of just ONE instance of that happening...

You know, I was hoping to try to help your drug addled mind with some common sense replies, however, I see that of the 3 brain cells you still have, 2 are fighting for control while the third one sits on the sidelines....

BTW, I AM NOT in law enforcement. I happen to have a large pool of friends that range from local PD, sheriff's deputies, highway patrol and GBI. I am a staunch supporter of their duties and a believer that they are under-recognized and over worked.

 

[CdwJava]

Just a couple comments ...

First, I disagree that LAPD isn't doing something about corruption. They are. Maybe you don't want to see it, but they have expanded the IA unit (Professional Standards) and the department has layed down the toughest sanctions against officers in decades - up to and including termination and even criminal prosecutions as needed.

All because you don't SEE the resolution of a problem does not mean that it is not being addressed. Even officers have rights. An officer cannot be disciplined without proof, and simply saying that an officer is doing something is not generally going to be enough to allow for the enforcement of discipline.

Second, the problems that developed IN to the "Rampart Scandal" included lack of adequate supervision, poor and incomplete pre-employment background exams prior to hiring (due to a push to hire officers - particularly of specific ethnic make ups), the removal of values instruction at their basic academy, and a few other administrative problems.

Virtually every element in the scandal was identifiable and able to be addressed had the system not broken down as it did. Most these issues have been addressed and continue to be so addressed.

Complain all you want, but I know the people involved and things have changed very big time in the last few years over there. And if you have observed identifiable misbehavior - report it!

- Carl

 

[airesflora]

Hyperactive responses and assumptions

For the record, "my drug addled mind" has done something about this problem. Since the LAPD won't listen to the citizens complaining about the problem, I've written a book that will be coming out next year from Random House about the issues discussed here.

What is amusing is the fact that these "Rhodes Scholars" supporting the LAPD haven't provided one shred of evidence to refute my points. Why? They can't and they know it. I have outlined the LAPD because it IS a problem and people SHOULD be afraid. I would NEVER tell others to trust them and they immediately came to mind when the OP announced the problem because it sounded like their modus operandi. Notice that I did NOT mention any other city's police force. I would tell citizens to trust the police departments in many other cities. Again, if you continue to defend these criminals parading as police officers, you are only making the problem worse.

You can't have it both ways. Like the old adage, "It takes a community to raise a child," sometimes it takes a culture to deal with the problems within their own. Now, if you are so upset about a citizen posting about this, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, so we don't feel this way. Deal with your own instead of acting like some nitwit in denial and denouncing it. Because until you do, many will come forth with the same criticism. Once you clean up the problem, no one will have anything to say or anything to back it up.

As for the drug induced phobias...have you removed drugs from a criminal and absorbed them? Because your sense of "reality" is as skewed as your logic. I would no more trust the LAPD than I'd trust the police in Tijuana. And yes, I'm quite sure there are honest officers in the LAPD, but just like I wouldn't trust my life to any stranger who could turn out to be a rapist, I wouldn't trust my life to any police officer who could turn out to be a thug, when it comes to LA. In other cities, I wouldn't feel the same. That's why I moved.

And yes, Van Duys, I do find it interesting that Police Troll this site and become extremely sensitive when people mention problems with them. But that type of defensive gesturing only secures my belief I'm right. Because when you are an honest and decent person, you aren't defensive.

 

[CdwJava]

What is amusing is the fact that these "Rhodes Scholars" supporting the LAPD haven't provided one shred of evidence to refute my points.

And what point is that? That there was a scandal, and that there were gross mistakes made? You consider that noteworthy?

Are there still mistakes made? Sure! But the steps taken to make corrections are obvious to anyone that cares to look. But, I bet you haven't thought to communicate with anyone al LAPD about the new policies and procedures in place, and the actions being taken, have you?

Again, if you continue to defend these criminals parading as police officers, you are only making the problem worse.

Nobody is defending the actions of officers who commit criminal acts. I am only refuting your accusation that it is business as usual in the LAPD when it is, in fact, NOT the case.

And yes, Van Duys, I do find it interesting that Police Troll this site and become extremely sensitive when people mention problems with them. But that type of defensive gesturing only secures my belief I'm right. Because when you are an honest and decent person, you aren't defensive.

How about this - an honest and decent person prefers that the WHOLE truth be told and not just the opinion of someone with a rant about old news.

Certainly, more can be done. But nothing gets done overnight. With an organization as large as the LAPD the fact that they have gotten as much institutional change in the last couple of years that they have is an astounding feat!

I've seen it. I wonder if you've even bothered to look?

And you can have the last rant and word on this topic as it's not my department to defend ... nothing I say will change YOUR opinion anyway. You want to keep your mind closed on the matter, go right ahead.

And good luck with the book. I hope you make a pretty penny ... but is there still an interest in old news? Maybe ... but I can't see it.

- Carl

 

[CdwJava]

Carl, since this thread has been shot to pieces anyway, let me ask you a question: You said in a prior thread several weeks ago about kids using a common item to break car windows and steal stuff out of cars.

What was that common item?

(My brain is frozen.)

A porcelain chip from a spark plug.

- Carl

 

[stephenk]

Carl, since this thread has been shot to pieces anyway, let me ask you a question: You said in a prior thread several weeks ago about kids using a common item to break car windows and steal stuff out of cars.

What was that common item?

(My brain is frozen.)

spark plug tied to a string.

 

[stephenk]

Here is her yahoo profile on that immigrant bashing site:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/airestorah

 

[stephenk]

Here is her second yahoo id:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/airessflora

both of her ids are listed as members of the immigrant bashing site.

 

[seniorjudge]

Actually, any piece of broken porcelain can be used. Due to the way side windows are tx so that they "shatter" into little pieces rather than "fracture" into long sharp shards, the porcelain is so sharp it has the abiltiy to get between the "pieces" of the glass that are being held together by the window tx. This effectively shatters the glass....

I guess I am just not up on my B&E methods....Thanks....

 

[You Are Guilty]

Why is it no one ever tells me about these threads when they're new? I always end up accidentally stumbling into them near the end.

No fun, any of you.

 

[Veronica1228]

Well, Fatty, this thread is going to be gone momentarily so I thought I'd let you know that you too will cease to exist. Until then, please feel free to talk about Todd and myself getting together etc. It obviously excites you, and it certainly doesn't bother me. I find it a bit twisted that the thought of Todd and I together seems to get your panties in a bunch, but I suppose it is better than what you do with your dog.

Sad. So sad and pathetic.