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Spousal Support for how long?

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Hanah2395

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What is the name of your state? California

I have been married 23 years. My husband is seeking divorce. I am 54 years old, have a minor child 9 years old, haven't worked since 1994. I believe I'm entitled to spousal support, but I would like to know for how long. I homeschooled my 19 year old from 5th grade through high school and he went on to college. I am currently homeschooling my 9 year old who will be in 5th grade in the fall. I'd like to know if I can get spousal support long enough to finish his homeschooling. If not, I'll need to return to school to complete my degree so that I can get a good enough job to provide my 9 year old access to college. Can I get spousal support long enough to do that? I used to do secretarial work, will the court order me do that again just to get me working?

Thanks.
 


vrzirn

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You need an attorney. Much depends on your husband's income and his willingness to be generous. You will receive child support but I think that 9 years of alimony is excessive.
Perhaps it is time to enroll the child in public school and yourself in college. Welcome to the real world.
 

I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

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Hanah2395 said:
What is the name of your state? California

I have been married 23 years. My husband is seeking divorce. I am 54 years old, have a minor child 9 years old, haven't worked since 1994. I believe I'm entitled to spousal support, but I would like to know for how long. I homeschooled my 19 year old from 5th grade through high school and he went on to college. I am currently homeschooling my 9 year old who will be in 5th grade in the fall. I'd like to know if I can get spousal support long enough to finish his homeschooling. If not, I'll need to return to school to complete my degree so that I can get a good enough job to provide my 9 year old access to college. Can I get spousal support long enough to do that? I used to do secretarial work, will the court order me do that again just to get me working?

Thanks.


My response:

The length of the parties' marriage bears both on the "need" for support (whether it should be ordered) and on the amount and duration. The longer a spouse has been out of the job market on account of the marriage, the stronger the case for granting support; by the same token, a relatively short marriage can, depending on the other § 4320 factors and the "totality of the circumstances," offset alleged "need" and justify a lower level of support and/or a shorter support term. [Marriage of Bukaty (1986) 180 Cal.App.3d 143, 150, 225 Cal.Rptr. 492, 497; Marriage of Huntington (1992) 10 Cal.App.4th 1513, 1520-1521, 14 Cal.Rptr.2d 1, 5]

Moreover, duration of the marriage has particular significance on the issue of retention of jurisdiction to extend spousal support in the future. Some cases loosely refer to the "one-half the length of the marriage" standard as establishing a presumptively reasonable period to become self-supporting (see Marriage of Rising (1999) 76 Cal.App.4th 472, 478, 90 Cal.Rptr.2d 380, 385, fn. 9). But that is not what the statute says and, indeed, is contradicted by the statute's express provision that nothing in § 4320(k) is intended to limit the court's discretion to order spousal support for a greater or lesser period of time based on other § 4320 factors, Ca Fam § 4336 (indefinite reservation of spousal support jurisdiction in lengthy marriages, and the parties' circumstances. [Ca Fam § 4320(k)]

Thus, more accurately, one-half the length of the marriage operates as nothing more than a baseline measurement (and it is not even a general baseline in cases of a "lengthy" marriage.

This point is cogently made in a case predating the enactment of Family Code § 4320(k):

"[T]here is nothing talismanic about the 'one-half of the married life' concept. It is not an eternal verity or an immutable principle carved in legal stone or etched in judicial steel. It fits some cases, it doesn't fit others. In some cases the wife is not entitled to a dime. In other cases she must be supported for life. Each and every case must be judged on its own merits. A judicial policy cannot be tolerated which affords blind obedience to the idea that the support order be for a period equal to 'one-half of the married life.' In each case the trial court must make a careful and measured judgment reflecting a sound exercise of discretion in the award of spousal support and its duration . . ." [Marriage of Brantner (1977) 67 Cal.App.3d 416, 423, 136 Cal.Rptr. 635, 639]

You also asked - -
"I used to do secretarial work, will the court order me do that again just to get me working?"

No, the court cannot order you to "do secretarial work" if you have other marketable skills. However, the court will fashion a Support Order that will require you to get back into the job market at some point in time; e.g., have husband pay for skill training and require you to obtain a job after your son reaches his teen years, and is better able to care for himself while you're at work.

IAAL
 
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vrzirn

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The last paragraph in IAAL's post is certainly equitable. Having a reasonable "end in sight" will provide incentive for the ex to continue all payments in a timely fashion. If alimony is ordered into the distant future a discouraged ex and a determined new wife can delay and delay, until life is hell for the ex-wife. It becomes a constant round of court appearances , broken promises and unpaid bills.
Our poster has better obtain her degree as fast as possilbe.
 
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Hanah2395

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Thanks for the advice.

It sounds like I may or may not be able to depend upon my husband to help achieve the goals we agreed upon in the beginning. Armed with that knowledge, I will strengthen my resolve to find alternative ways to finish what I've started . . . and perhaps that's the biggest difference between my husband and I.

To vrzirn I submit: staying on track in the face of derailment is the higher road in the "real world".

Hanah
 

vrzirn

Senior Member
Lofty principles and platitudes in the face of an on-coming train may be admirable but they will not pay your bills. The ability to change and make the best of diverse circumstances is the wiser course. However, your life. Good luck in the coming battle.
 

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