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GideonEffect

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Colorado. I'm in my county's district court in a $75K replevin action. The case was filed in 2018 and Show Cause Hearing was in Dec. 2018. Judge ordered based on the Defendants' testimony she threw everything in the trash, trial July 15, 2019. One month after a failed mediation the judge was promoted to the supreme court, my counsel withdrew and the new judge vacated the case. As pro se I tried a number of times to reopen the case then COVID-19 strangled the courts for the next year. After hiring new counsel I was allowed to proceed. Then my new counsel was immediately suspended by attorney regs. for numerous complaints and FTA's. Now there is yet another new judge and he seems unaware of the pre-established Rule 16.1. Despite filing a number of motions and pleadings to inform, clarify etc. Defendants counsel is telling the courts that I am not following the rules. He has filed sanctions stating I am not setting trial management as required, I have failed to respond to discovery requests, I failed to answer interrogatories, and that I am communicating ex-parte with the courts. The new Judge has ordered I must respond to the filings. Also, this judge has set trial all the way out to March 2022 despite my objections. Are the request for discovery and interrogatories beyond the idea of rule 16.1 simplified civil procedures. Defendant already received witness statements and all exhibits there are. Defendant has already received witness information and a complete list of the property along with each piece's estimated value.
 


adjusterjack

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quincy

Senior Member
Colorado. I'm in my county's district court in a $75K replevin action. The case was filed in 2018 and Show Cause Hearing was in Dec. 2018. Judge ordered based on the Defendants' testimony she threw everything in the trash, trial July 15, 2019. One month after a failed mediation the judge was promoted to the supreme court, my counsel withdrew and the new judge vacated the case. As pro se I tried a number of times to reopen the case then COVID-19 strangled the courts for the next year. After hiring new counsel I was allowed to proceed. Then my new counsel was immediately suspended by attorney regs. for numerous complaints and FTA's. Now there is yet another new judge and he seems unaware of the pre-established Rule 16.1. Despite filing a number of motions and pleadings to inform, clarify etc. Defendants counsel is telling the courts that I am not following the rules. He has filed sanctions stating I am not setting trial management as required, I have failed to respond to discovery requests, I failed to answer interrogatories, and that I am communicating ex-parte with the courts. The new Judge has ordered I must respond to the filings. Also, this judge has set trial all the way out to March 2022 despite my objections. Are the request for discovery and interrogatories beyond the idea of rule 16.1 simplified civil procedures. Defendant already received witness statements and all exhibits there are. Defendant has already received witness information and a complete list of the property along with each piece's estimated value.
You might want to look for a new lawyer and only hire him/her after a thorough review of the attorney’s qualifications and reputation.
 

GideonEffect

Active Member
This seems to be your only question despite the absence of a question mark.



Rule 16.1 - Simplified Procedure for Civil Actions, Colo. R. Civ. P. 16.1 | Casetext Search + Citator

There appears to be a numerical limit on the amount of discovery requests and interrogatories.

You haven't said how many of each there has been.
Well, there was a full compliance filed with the court back in 2019 stating that all parties agree that each has complied with the requests for discovery and witness lists, Which are all limited by rule 16.1. The defendants' attorney is exaggerating my responsibilities as his requests were sent to my previous counsel after he was suspended. I also do not recall that interrogatories are included in Rule 16.1. This is the first request I have been sent by OC.
 

GideonEffect

Active Member
You might want to look for a new lawyer and only hire him/her after a thorough review of the attorney’s qualifications and reputation.
Just as in the past, I have sought counsel only to be told It's too complicated or I need $50K before I'll even look at it. I'm tired Quincy, I don't understand how OC is able to manipulate the court to set trial out an additional 6 months on Replevin that was scheduled for trial this past August.
I've objected to the dates during a telephone conference and in paper fillings. I have pointed out to the courts that the action requires priority on the calendar. I informed the court that the defense has already received all of the exhibits and also they are available to the defendant thru efile.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Just as in the past, I have sought counsel only to be told It's too complicated or I need $50K before I'll even look at it. I'm tired Quincy, I don't understand how OC is able to manipulate the court to set trial out an additional 6 months on Replevin that was scheduled for trial this past August.
I've objected to the dates during a telephone conference and in paper fillings. I have pointed out to the courts that the action requires priority on the calendar. I informed the court that the defense has already received all of the exhibits and also they are available to the defendant thru efile.
Many courts have backlogs as a result of court closures and scheduling issues due to Covid-19. No one is happy about the delays but it is what it is.
 

zddoodah

Active Member
Be aware that a great deal of your post makes very little sense.

Are the request for discovery and interrogatories beyond the idea of rule 16.1 simplified civil procedures.

It does indeed appear that interrogatories are not allowed in cases subject to Rule 16.1.


The defendants' attorney is exaggerating my responsibilities

OK. Lawyers often take positions that their adversaries consider unreasonable or unfounded.
 

quincy

Senior Member
GideonEffect has a posting history on this forum. It appears the case discussed here was the subject of two previous threads.
 

GideonEffect

Active Member
GideonEffect has a posting history on this forum. It appears the case discussed here was the subject of two previous threads.
Quincy is correct, and it's the same action from my earlier post's. I hired counsel in April, 2019. A bias substitute judge vacated the matter that summer after the judge sitting on the case was promoted to the court of appeals. My counsel filed a couple of motions to reopen and a response to the Defendants motion for summary judgement before he withdrew despite my objections. I hired new counsel just before COVID 19 shut everything down for a year. The courts have finally allowed my case to continue and assigned a new judge. Unfortunately during the pandemic my new counsel shacked up with one of his clients and that culminated in his immediate suspension by attorney regulations. Twenty thousand dollars later and it's like i have to start over from the beginning. I am unable to find a reasonably priced attorney and the ones that I do consult with tell me it to complicated on short notice. Replevin,,,, complicated? The initial show cause hearing has already proven my right and ownership, also at the same show cause the landlord admitted that she disposed of $70,000 of my personal property while she was wrongfully in possession of it. How complicated could this be for an experienced attorney? I'm an automotive mechanic so what would I know about it.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Quincy is correct, and it's the same action from my earlier post's. I hired counsel in April, 2019. A bias substitute judge vacated the matter that summer after the judge sitting on the case was promoted to the court of appeals. My counsel filed a couple of motions to reopen and a response to the Defendants motion for summary judgement before he withdrew despite my objections. I hired new counsel just before COVID 19 shut everything down for a year. The courts have finally allowed my case to continue and assigned a new judge. Unfortunately during the pandemic my new counsel shacked up with one of his clients and that culminated in his immediate suspension by attorney regulations. Twenty thousand dollars later and it's like i have to start over from the beginning. I am unable to find a reasonably priced attorney and the ones that I do consult with tell me it to complicated on short notice. Replevin,,,, complicated? The initial show cause hearing has already proven my right and ownership, also at the same show cause the landlord admitted that she disposed of $70,000 of my personal property while she was wrongfully in possession of it. How complicated could this be for an experienced attorney? I'm an automotive mechanic so what would I know about it.
Did you have a retainer with your previous attorney that had any balance remaining that should have been refunded to you?

Did you get your case file from your previous attorney so any new attorney can have immediate access to all of the preceding actions taken in your case?

Whether the amendments to Rule 16.1 that became effective this year have led to complications or confusion in your case is something I can’t tell you. The Rule does permit 6 hours of depositions (or more if necessary) and up to 5 requests for documents (see Rule 26). Have these requirements already been met?

Unfortunately I don’t think you can do anything about the March 2022 trial date. As I said previously, many many cases have been delayed by months because of Covid-19 court closures. March is probably the earliest date available for your trial.

I think you will want to find another attorney in your area who can, at the very least, personally review where your case stands currently and advise you on what you need to do now. I am sorry that your last attorney was unethical. Most aren’t.
 

GideonEffect

Active Member
My apologies for not being more organized. I guess I have been seeking advice for each hurdle as they come and my prior posts have been closed so I figured Id inquire just about the current matters and save some dignity. I am seeking advice and that is why I am here. I have always been under the impression that persons with similar experiences or an actual professional background in the civil court's system, in my area, would be responding and so I admit I have attempted to abbreviate much of my posts with some of the same abbreviations used in the thousands of documents I've read and wrote in the past 3 years.

Hell after reading my last post I see why it is confusing and or hard to understand. I didn't even mention the issue I am faced with.

They filed motions sanctions twice in one week
!
And I have to respond to these, good grief what about the rules of simplified civil procedure?
Defendant counsel has filed sanctions #1 stating I have not responded to requests discovery, He was copied on all filings and pleadings in 2019 and he has access to that, also it's been in the record for two years, and #2 for failing to answer interrogatories. The rule states that is not required and facing to respond to that request does not preclude an award. Do I really have to play his game when he is clearly just attempting to overburden me with moot requests? Am I judicially obligated to inform the court of their own rules by filling a response just to assure the judiciary I am aware of the rules only the court does not enforce these ones?

Ultimately I am pro see and apparently no amount of money out of my pocket is enough to hire a local attorney with the courage to prosecute my case. The underlying issues are:

History

1) I received a summons Forcible Entry and Detainer. I was a holdover after short notice. No complaint was served until after answers were filed. I docketed some otherwise legit answers and the matter was set for trial. Landlord's counsel (In-person) filed a motion for judgment on pleadings just 1 day before trial. I was not copied on that motion but would not have had time to respond even if I was made aware of the filing. I did not get to defend myself against the complaint. The day before trial, the clerk inside the courtroom vacated the hearing and awarded possession to the landlord. I filed a Notice of Appeal...etc the next day.

I perfected the appeal just days later and the courts notified the landlord and her counsel that a stay was issued and any further actions would come from District Court. In the landlord's objection to my notice of appeal and motion to stay, she asked the courts to order that I deposit future rents into the clerk's office starting on June 1st. The landlord then took her outrage to social media where she complains that even though the county courts evicted me I appealed and a higher judge says I get to stay for now (pending the appeal). She and her attorney were both aware that the courts issued a stay. Rule 411 "Upon the filing of the notice of appeal, the posting and approval of the bond, and the deposit by the appellant of an estimated fee in advance for preparing the record, the county court shall discontinue all further proceedings and recall any execution issued."

Of course, the landlord and her attorney both deny delivering the writ to the sheriff. On May 31st, the sheriff and 20 movers ultimately executed the writ with the landlord's full participation. I found out later that the landlord signed a 5-year lease with an oil exploration company for the entire premises dated two months after my lease was originated. Explains white pickups that were always coming and going and her desire to get me out..

The landlord and her attorney should both be jailed for their actions and inactions. I get it, that attorney has now obligation to me, but together they created a bias motivated crime and used the sheriff to assist with their crimes. I'm not saying throw away the key but they showed no compassion towards me as I was handcuffed and placed in the cop car for six hours only able to watch the movers destroy... I mean place all my worldly possessions on the ground outside. Their reason for detaining me was Obstruction. That charge was dropped when i produced video that I was able to recover from security cameras that recorded the first hour of the eviction before the electrical cords to the DVR were cut by the movers. The landlord is using the defense that the sheriff told her to lock the gate and all my personal property would be abandoned in twenty-four hours. I guess her clock counts faster than mine because when I returned with a moving truck I was denied access and the sheriff refused to provide me a civil assist to recover the property. Property that he was responsible to ensure was removed completely from the premises. They didn't have time to haul it to the end of the driveway. When I returned the gate was locked keeping me from retrieving any of my personal property. She continued to deny access until a court-ordered otherwise but that was seven days later. She states "I was just doing what the sheriff instructed me to do".

The court e-file specialist is on record stating that she recalls that particular case and her office never issued the writ. It was rejected the moment it was proposed because notice of appeal was already on the record before the landlord applied for the writ. The clerk said the case was in fact sealed because they received back to back to back requests to issue the writ that was already rejected.

The most recent delay is caused by the landlord's new counsel (the responsible attorney) once again misstating and flat-out lying, telling the court that one of the defendants was not available for the trial that was scheduled for October 9 this month, same date was scheduled for that past year. So the court gave two optional dates both inside of this year and one in March of next year. I objected for not showing cause as mentioned in my post but, based on opposing counsels higher level of trust, the courts are under the impression that I need to respond. As stated above this is the third judge on the matter.

I hope this was easier to understand than my previous rants. Thank's everybody for your share and your tolerance.
 

STEPHAN

Senior Member
Maybe it is time to stop using "reasonably priced attorneys" but a really good law firm that can properly represent you.
 

quincy

Senior Member
My apologies for not being more organized. I guess I have been seeking advice for each hurdle as they come and my prior posts have been closed so I figured Id inquire just about the current matters and save some dignity. I am seeking advice and that is why I am here. I have always been under the impression that persons with similar experiences or an actual professional background in the civil court's system, in my area, would be responding and so I admit I have attempted to abbreviate much of my posts with some of the same abbreviations used in the thousands of documents I've read and wrote in the past 3 years.

Hell after reading my last post I see why it is confusing and or hard to understand. I didn't even mention the issue I am faced with.

They filed motions sanctions twice in one week! And I have to respond to these, good grief what about the rules of simplified civil procedure?
Defendant counsel has filed sanctions #1 stating I have not responded to requests discovery, He was copied on all filings and pleadings in 2019 and he has access to that, also it's been in the record for two years, and #2 for failing to answer interrogatories. The rule states that is not required and facing to respond to that request does not preclude an award. Do I really have to play his game when he is clearly just attempting to overburden me with moot requests? Am I judicially obligated to inform the court of their own rules by filling a response just to assure the judiciary I am aware of the rules only the court does not enforce these ones?

Ultimately I am pro see and apparently no amount of money out of my pocket is enough to hire a local attorney with the courage to prosecute my case. The underlying issues are:

History

1) I received a summons Forcible Entry and Detainer. I was a holdover after short notice. No complaint was served until after answers were filed. I docketed some otherwise legit answers and the matter was set for trial. Landlord's counsel (In-person) filed a motion for judgment on pleadings just 1 day before trial. I was not copied on that motion but would not have had time to respond even if I was made aware of the filing. I did not get to defend myself against the complaint. The day before trial, the clerk inside the courtroom vacated the hearing and awarded possession to the landlord. I filed a Notice of Appeal...etc the next day.

I perfected the appeal just days later and the courts notified the landlord and her counsel that a stay was issued and any further actions would come from District Court. In the landlord's objection to my notice of appeal and motion to stay, she asked the courts to order that I deposit future rents into the clerk's office starting on June 1st. The landlord then took her outrage to social media where she complains that even though the county courts evicted me I appealed and a higher judge says I get to stay for now (pending the appeal). She and her attorney were both aware that the courts issued a stay. Rule 411 "Upon the filing of the notice of appeal, the posting and approval of the bond, and the deposit by the appellant of an estimated fee in advance for preparing the record, the county court shall discontinue all further proceedings and recall any execution issued."

Of course, the landlord and her attorney both deny delivering the writ to the sheriff. On May 31st, the sheriff and 20 movers ultimately executed the writ with the landlord's full participation. I found out later that the landlord signed a 5-year lease with an oil exploration company for the entire premises dated two months after my lease was originated. Explains white pickups that were always coming and going and her desire to get me out..

The landlord and her attorney should both be jailed for their actions and inactions. I get it, that attorney has now obligation to me, but together they created a bias motivated crime and used the sheriff to assist with their crimes. I'm not saying throw away the key but they showed no compassion towards me as I was handcuffed and placed in the cop car for six hours only able to watch the movers destroy... I mean place all my worldly possessions on the ground outside. Their reason for detaining me was Obstruction. That charge was dropped when i produced video that I was able to recover from security cameras that recorded the first hour of the eviction before the electrical cords to the DVR were cut by the movers. The landlord is using the defense that the sheriff told her to lock the gate and all my personal property would be abandoned in twenty-four hours. I guess her clock counts faster than mine because when I returned with a moving truck I was denied access and the sheriff refused to provide me a civil assist to recover the property. Property that he was responsible to ensure was removed completely from the premises. They didn't have time to haul it to the end of the driveway. When I returned the gate was locked keeping me from retrieving any of my personal property. She continued to deny access until a court-ordered otherwise but that was seven days later. She states "I was just doing what the sheriff instructed me to do".

The court e-file specialist is on record stating that she recalls that particular case and her office never issued the writ. It was rejected the moment it was proposed because notice of appeal was already on the record before the landlord applied for the writ. The clerk said the case was in fact sealed because they received back to back to back requests to issue the writ that was already rejected.

The most recent delay is caused by the landlord's new counsel (the responsible attorney) once again misstating and flat-out lying, telling the court that one of the defendants was not available for the trial that was scheduled for October 9 this month, same date was scheduled for that past year. So the court gave two optional dates both inside of this year and one in March of next year. I objected for not showing cause as mentioned in my post but, based on opposing counsels higher level of trust, the courts are under the impression that I need to respond. As stated above this is the third judge on the matter.

I hope this was easier to understand than my previous rants. Thank's everybody for your share and your tolerance.
GideonEffect, I agree with STEPHAN. You need an attorney in your area who is able to personally review all facts from the start of your issues with the landlord to the present issues with court filings.
 

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