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Tired Of Him Threatening To Take My Son

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fedup23

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VeronicaGia said:
You begged him to be a father; now that you got your wish, you don't like it.

Look, get a court order or modification of visitation order that spells out who does the traveling. If he's behind in support, file contempt. But don't complain that you got what you wanted and now you don't like it.

Yes I did beg him to see his son but I did not ask to be treated like ****. It sounds to me like everyone but you agrees with me. Are you a stepmom?
 


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Veronica, I don't see how all CP's relegate the NCP to pay to visit there child. SOunds like you don't like the idea of child support! Some of us can't get by w/out it and need to to provide for our kids. Paying child support is not a NCP paying to visit, but if you see it that way it is pretty sad. The fact is they are seperate issue custody and child support. A person can get away w/out paying a month of child support here and there and the court order says that the CP still has to send the child to the NCP. Seems to me that your way of thinking is cause you may be a little bitter that money is missing from your family to go and support your DH's family before you.

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fedup23

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JoandJa'smom said:
Veronica, I don't see how all CP's relegate the NCP to pay to visit there child. SOunds like you don't like the idea of child support! Some of us can't get by w/out it and need to to provide for our kids. Paying child support is not a NCP paying to visit, but if you see it that way it is pretty sad. The fact is they are seperate issue custody and child support. A person can get away w/out paying a month of child support here and there and the court order says that the CP still has to send the child to the NCP. Seems to me that your way of thinking is cause you may be a little bitter that money is missing from your family to go and support your DH's family before you.

JoandJa'smom

No infact the child support doesn't matter to me. I just now started to get it off and on. My husband and I make it fine without it. My reason for saying that was because when I talked to someone from legal aid they told me not to send him to his dads if he did not pay. But I never did that because that would hurt our son. I would never ever do anything to make my child hurt.
 
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Fedup, I always sent my son to his father's even when I knew I wasn't getting near as much child support as I should have. I don't believe in using it as a tool either. However, I think to many NCP's think that the CP shouldn't try and get support and if they do they think it is cause they want them to pay to see the child and that is just not the case in every situation.

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fedup23

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Re: WRONG WRONG WRONG

ChevyGirl said:
Just because paternity was established does NOT mean that he has any legal or physical custody. You have complete legal custody and until he takes you to court, he does not have ANY legal rights to this child. Believe me, I know, because my husband's child he has to established paternity (We are in Missouri) and did and we have been waiting to go to court for 2 years and until we get there, the mother doesn't even have to let us see the child. Anyone who wants to come here and argue this, go ahead, but I SWEAR to you this is true.

I hope that your husband gets to see his child(ren). But you are right the children are the ones that suffer.
 

haiku

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count me in as another who agree's with veronica, who we are is irrelevant to the fact that child support and visitation are separate issues.

the person at legal aid who told you (OP),you could withhold visitation for lack of payment was a moron, you may be able to withhold official visitation for lack of a court order, but never lack of support.

For the poster who said how unfair it is that the CP has to send thier child over even though the support is erratic, how about the NCP who still has to pay support even though visitation is erratic. When did children become a reward system?

the kids don't care about the money, so send them over, they just want thier parents, leave them out of the equation and fight it out in court without them.
 
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fedup23

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haiku said:
count me in as another who agree's with veronica, who we are is irrelevant to the fact that child support and visitation are separate issues.

the person at legal aid who told you (OP),you could withhold visitation for lack of payment was a moron, you may be able to withhold official visitation for lack of a court order, but never lack of support.

For the poster who said how unfair it is that the CP has to send thier child over even though the support is erratic, how about the NCP who still has to pay support even though visitation is erratic. When did children become a reward system?

the kids don't care about the money, so send them over, they just want thier parents, leave them out of the equation and fight it out in court without them.

The child support is court ordered so what is the difference. And I agree leave the kids out of it. They did not asked to be brought into this world. So they should not deal with the suffering. I just hope that my children never have to deal with the heartach that some of us have to go through.
 

Bre's_mom

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haiku!!!!!

haiku said:
count me in as another who agree's with veronica, who we are is irrelevant to the fact that child support and visitation are separate issues.

the person at legal aid who told you (OP),you could withhold visitation for lack of payment was a moron, you may be able to withhold official visitation for lack of a court order, but never lack of support.

For the poster who said how unfair it is that the CP has to send thier child over even though the support is erratic, how about the NCP who still has to pay support even though visitation is erratic. When did children become a reward system?

the kids don't care about the money, so send them over, they just want thier parents, leave them out of the equation and fight it out in court without them.

I really agree with what you said, I especially love this phrase... When did children become a reward system?:D :D :D That says it all, or at least a very lot. And I agree with the rest of what you said...:p
 
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JoandJa'smom

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I also agree that children are not a reward system. I know I love my son very much and do what is best for him all the time. Some days my personal feelings get the best of me but I know what I need to do and that is don't treat my son like a pawn.

JoandJa'smom
 
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businessjustice

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a man's point of view

I'm an attorney, used to practice family law, now I handle business only because I got absolutley sick of all the bickering and moral judgment that went on over and above what the LAW IS.

At the risk of being clawed by some of you more catty women on this post, here is the way it is, froma LEGAL standpoint for fedup23.

You have every right to withhold visitation until such time a court order is put in place to PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILD from the controlling threats this idiot of an ex-boyfriend of yours is making. Yes, he established paternity, but he then must take the NEXT step and that is establish his visitation rights. You have done your job. It is incredibly obvious he is using the child and your fear of him, in a very negative manner to continue dominating your life even after he, technically, has no part in it.

There is a HUGE difference between temporary denial of visitation to ensure fairness, and just withholding out of spite. Which some of the women on this string fail to grasp or understand in concept and theory.

Temporary suspension of visitation, or limited supervised visitation, is VERY common in the world of divorce/child custody/visitation determination to ensure when one parent is making threats, that they are not acted upon, so the child goes, temporarily, the the parent that is deemed, in the courts eyes, to be more apt to conform to state statute and facilitate the child/parent relationship. In your case, being unmarried, you can take that legal act upon yourself. Denying, supervising,dictating visitation until such time as a court takes over and establishes a guideline.

Please, ignore the moral judgement most of these women are placing on you. As it is severely misplaced.

Only after you have a court document in your hands, that clearly states the when's and where's of custody and visitation, that can legally protect you from his threats, idle or not, do you HAVE to let him see the child.

Look at it this way, with all of the school shootings and the like that have gone on the past few years, law enforcement and school personnel have taken it upon themselves to act on ANY threat, by suspending or expelling a student, for voiced, written or other form of threat to harm or damage, to ensure the safety of the masses. When the threat is deemed to be negatable, the child is brought back into the system, if it is found to be a clear and real danger, there are even more controls put in place.

It is all you would be doing, protecting your child, temporarily, until such time as the threat can be nullified. And there is NOTHING legally wrong with that option.
 
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JoandJa'smom

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BusinessJustice, I totally agree!!!!!!! I think my original post is exactly what you were trying to say , but I failed in how to write it out and some of the people here were not getting my point!LOL!!!

Thanks again and your point is exactly right!

JoandJa'smom
 

VeronicaGia

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Yes, let's protect the children from all the big, bad, terroristic men who just so happen to be their fathers. After all, only women can take care of children, men are just there to pay for women to take care of them.

And let's not forget that only women are poor, helpless creatures that need protection from these horrible men they spread their legs for but were too ignorant to get to know first. Poor women and children, at the mercy of each and every man in society, a.k.a., terrorist *******s.

The line is old, tiring and quite sickening. Once again, I'm ashamed of my own gender.
 
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JoandJa'smom

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Veronica, I just don't think you get it. No, I know you don't get it.

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businessjustice

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my god veronica, who pissed in your cheerio's?

First off, my advice to fedup23, is sound advice for EITHER sex, upon being threatened. Just because I happen to, god forbid, direct it soley to her because, GASP, she, as a woman, posted, doesn't change the law any.

I'm sorry if you don't like how things are set up legally when parents of children are unmarried, but that doesn't give you the right to treat a single mother with such incredible disrespect, or anyone, for that matter.

No one called the father in this case a terrorist, no one had the audacity to degrade the mother of the child in regards to "spreading her legs" except you.

To appease your sensativities...

No one said this man isn't capable of caring for his child, not even the original poster, all she wants is to ensure both of them have equal rights, and she doesn't have to be under the control of his threats.

Same would go for a man if he was being harassed or threatend by the mother of his child to "never see him/her again"...he should exercise the means to put in place legal custody and visitation.

I joined this forum to give advice, without having to be gender neutral and to go only by the specifics of the original post. The poster happened to be a woman, so it was tailored to her, and her situation, ONLY based on LAW.

There are plenty of other sites out there that are more tailored to your very angry, biased viewpoint. This forum seems to be for everyone, and you should respect that.
 
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