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Undisclosed Propety In Divorce - Now Wants Equity

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viasyl22

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What is the name of your state? Arizona

My husband and his ex-wife were married for approx. three years (from 1996 to finalized divorce in 1999, although she left him in 1998).

They purchased a home in June 1998 with the first payment due in August. In September, they took out a second mortgage to consolidate debt. She left in October after using the second to pay off her doctor's bills and other joint credit cards they had.

When she filed for a divorce in June 1998, she listed no property and no debts. She told my husband that she wanted to get it over with and didn't want anything to do with the house, etc.

Of course, her name remains on the house. She was also still listed ont he second mortgage (which we paid off last year) and two other debts.

About two years ago, she contacted my husband to get her name off the mortgage. He had been late on payments several times (going from two incomes to one, not surprising) and she wanted to buy a house with her new fiance. At the time, my husband and I were not married and we looked into a second, but with our credit would not be able to refinance just then. She went away for some time.

Last week, we found out we can qualify for a home equity loan. We're expecting our first child in April, so this would be the ideal way to pay off debts she is still listed on.

Our loan counselor told us we cannot get the equity loan -- or in fact even refinance or sell the house -- until his ex signs a grant deed releasing her interests in the property.

We called her this weekend and now she's saying that she thinks she's entitled to her share of equity in the home. She's remarried now and says that they have broken pipes in their place. Basically, she needs money.

Is she legally entitled to equity? Our loan counselor said we'd be able to prove that it has been my husband and I making the mortgage payments since it has come from our joint checking account.

If she is entitled to equity, does that mean she is also legally obligated to the debt -- the mortgage from the past five years, the second mortgage she signed for, the other two loans? She's also still listed on my husband's truck (it's paid for, but worth only about $500) and he was listed on her car, which she sold wihtout him knowing.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 


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viasyl22 said:
What is the name of your state? Arizona

My husband and his ex-wife were married for approx. three years (from 1996 to finalized divorce in 1999, although she left him in 1998).

They purchased a home in June 1998 with the first payment due in August. In September, they took out a second mortgage to consolidate debt. She left in October after using the second to pay off her doctor's bills and other joint credit cards they had.

When she filed for a divorce in June 1998, she listed no property and no debts. She told my husband that she wanted to get it over with and didn't want anything to do with the house, etc.

Of course, her name remains on the house. She was also still listed ont he second mortgage (which we paid off last year) and two other debts.

About two years ago, she contacted my husband to get her name off the mortgage. He had been late on payments several times (going from two incomes to one, not surprising) and she wanted to buy a house with her new fiance. At the time, my husband and I were not married and we looked into a second, but with our credit would not be able to refinance just then. She went away for some time.

Last week, we found out we can qualify for a home equity loan. We're expecting our first child in April, so this would be the ideal way to pay off debts she is still listed on.

Our loan counselor told us we cannot get the equity loan -- or in fact even refinance or sell the house -- until his ex signs a grant deed releasing her interests in the property.

We called her this weekend and now she's saying that she thinks she's entitled to her share of equity in the home. She's remarried now and says that they have broken pipes in their place. Basically, she needs money.

Is she legally entitled to equity? Our loan counselor said we'd be able to prove that it has been my husband and I making the mortgage payments since it has come from our joint checking account.

If she is entitled to equity, does that mean she is also legally obligated to the debt -- the mortgage from the past five years, the second mortgage she signed for, the other two loans? She's also still listed on my husband's truck (it's paid for, but worth only about $500) and he was listed on her car, which she sold wihtout him knowing.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

**A: guess what? She is on title therefore she co-owns the property. Why is your loan counselor not advising you to seek legal counsel?
 
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viasyl22

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She did suggest we seek legal counsel, and we are. Just trying to get an idea of what we're up against.

And I know she co-owns the property. Obviously, she's on the title. But doesn't that interest in the property make her just as liable for the debt of the property as the rights to the property? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Thanks.
 
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hexeliebe

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Not unless she is also on the mortgage.

Now go speak with your attorney.
 
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viasyl22

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lol - I will speak to my attorney! I'm just impatient! :) Dying to know if there's hope for us....


And yes, she's both on the title and the mortgage.
 

lsut1ger

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How much equity do you have in the home?

Not sure about AZ laws, but your husband may be due a reimbursement for 1/2 of all of the mortgage payments he has made on the joint obligation.

If there was little equity in the home prior to their split, it's possible that he had paid more in mortgage payments than the equity in the home - meaning you guys MAY not be out too much money.

But if the equity is significant and due to the homes appreciation in value, you guys could be screwed out of a lot.

HUGE mistake in not taking care of this then....I'd have the divorce lawyer on the phone in a heartbeat for not advising your husband of this in advance...or I'd chew my husband a new one if the lawyer DID advise him.
 
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viasyl22

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Right now, the equity in the home is about $30,000. She only lived in the house and paid maortgage for three months. During that time, they were told the house had already appreciated $5,000.

Of course, like I sad, that doesn't include the second mortgage that she signed for with my husband which we paid off last year. That was for $25,000 wihtout interest. Total payoff was right around $30,000.

Common sense says that if she wants half the current equity, she would also be obligated to half the mortgage for the past five years that it has taken to get to the current level of equity. But we all know law isn't always about common sense.

We're meeting with a lawyer this afternoon, so I'll come back tomorrow and let you know what he says. Fingers crossed!

And as for a divorce lawyer. My husband didn't have one. He was in over his head in debt when she filed (thanks to the mortgage, second mortgage, credit cards, etc. she left behind) and just signed the papers. Not smart, I know. And I've made sure to remind him of that as often as possible lately! She had a lawyer friend of hers draw up the papers, and neglected to claim the property and debt in excess of $10,000.

I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the input!
 
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hexeliebe

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She had a lawyer friend of hers draw up the papers, and neglected to claim the property and debt in excess of $10,000.

And he IS going to take these papers with him RIGHT?
 
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viasyl22

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Absolutely!!! I actually have all the papers with me now, since I'm going with to make sure this gets done right. :) Divorce papers that are basically a lie when it comes to property and debt, first and second mortgage papers with both their signatures....

I'm ready!
 
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viasyl22

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Ok, here's the update.

We met with a lawyer this afternoon. He said that since she is a co-owner of the home she techinically is entitled to half the equity. HOWEVER, she lied on a legal document and that could be our saving grace. He suggested that we talk to her, infomr her we've spoken with a lawyer who actually suggest we sue her for the portion of her debt that we've paid (the second mortgage, back mortgage payments, etc.) but that we're willing to simply buy out her share of equity from the time the home was purchased until the divorce was finalized -- about a $1,000. In exchange, of course, for her signing the deed.

If she doesn't accept that offer, we actually move forward with suing her for her share of the debt and to get her to sign the deed. He seems to think we'd win since she didn't disclose the debt or property in the divorce papers she filed and since we can prove the payments since then have come from a joint account owned by myself and my husband.

The lawyer then said that if she knows we're suing, she'd probably get her own lawyer and a settlement would likely occur outside of court, but that he'd be in the better position and highly likely to get her to simply sign the deed.

So, what we've decided to do is give her a chance to just sign the deed without all the hassle. We haven't heard from her or her stepfather since Saturday (the day after she agreed to sign it and the day her stepdad called to say she deserves equity until my husband told him about the second mortgage and other debts). We're taking that as a good sign that she'll jsut sign the paper when we send it. We're going to try anyway....

If she doesn't return it in a timely manner, we'll go ahead and pay the retainer for the lawyer and have him send her the letter offering the one year of equity for her signature.

The final step is the lawsuit.

Sooooo....we feel okay about it all. Fingers crossed she'll just sign the paper and go away, but it's reassuring to know that we have a solid chance of winning if she wants to go further.

Thanks for all your support and advice, everyone! :)
 
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hexeliebe

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I'm beginning to get all warm and fuzzy and it's not even Christmas....

Just wait though, some idiot will post innane dribble and screw it all up.
 
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viasyl22

Guest
LOL Don't rain on the warm, fuzzy parade.

Yet another update. The stepfather called back tonight. My husband saved the lawyer bit. Apparently the ex "doesn't want money and just wants to put this all behind so we can all go on with our lives." (BLEH!) So, she'll sign the deed no problem as long as she can return it not to us, but directly to the company we're refinancing with so she can have assurance that we are going to get her name off the mortgage. Regardless of the fact that we have to file the document with the county first.

Fortunately, the loan counselor we've been working with is awesome and said she'd be more than happy to accept the deed from the ex and then put it right back in the mail to us so we can file the darn thing.

Whatever works!
 

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