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me 2 mt

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Many drugs are used for conditions that they may not be FDA approved for - brethine has been used to slow down or stop premature labor for many years. Yes, it does cause some jitters sometimes (increases the heart rate, acts as a bronchodilator).

The other care you received is definitely substandard tho, doesn't matter what kind of insurance you have or your income. I hope you find someone to help you and hopefully prevent this from happening to someone else.

God Bless
 


LittleK

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Shouldn't someone have told me that brethine is not FDA approved for PT Labor though? They told me I HAD to take it never discussed its off label use or anything with me, and I wasn't even in PT Labor, only having Braxton Hicks contractions, no cervical change.
 

rmet4nzkx

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The medication is commonly given for PTL and yours was complicated with preeclampsia, more than likely preeclampsia and negligent management of that was the problem more so than the medication. Your baby should have been delivered after ripening the lungs rather than sending you home without monitoring. Keep looking for an attorney.
 

me 2 mt

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I thought I read in one of your posts that one practitioner did think you were in early stages of labor and that one didn't (and that one didn't take much time in checking you). I might have mixed you up with someone else, sorry.

I have been told when drugs are used for different things than what they are first intended for, not always tho. Would you have not used the brethine if they had told you?

Like the previous poster said tho, seems like it was mismanagment and there should be some resolve thru the legal system for you. I hope so.
 

Tigz

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littleK, I am so very sorry for your loss.

Please do not get offended by what I am about to say...I do not know you, nor do I know of your medical history prior to what you have posted, please keep that in mind when you read this....

To others, it seems as though everyone is ready to send a lynch mob after someone...the Doctor, the hospital...some person has to be at fault here...right?

No one has thought to ask LittleK about her medical history with her OB prior to the initial trip to the hospital. Did she even have an OB and did she see her/him on a regular basis? By that stage in her pregnancy, she should have been going weekly. What kind of pregnancy did she have up to that point? Did she Drink or smoke? Did she do drugs? Was she well nourished? what was her overall health?

All I am saying is that lets know the facts before we become judge, jury, and executioner. Do you really think that if they thought she was in immediate danger that they would let her go?
Is it possible that they felt that the lungs still weren’t developed enough and that they thought that the baby had a better chance if they waited? You know...doctors are human, they aren't empowered with the gift of clairvoyance. They can't see the future.

I am not saying that there was no negligence...I’m not even implying it...the fact is that I don't know - I haven't been given near enough facts to have much of an opinion - neither does anyone else here. Her being on Medicaid has nothing to do with this. Once the insurance carriers says the doctor must discharge, there is little that can be done other than maybe sending her to the nearest charity hospital. (Sorry, hospitals are only required to treat non paying patients to the point that they are stable and can be transferred to the local indigent hospital)

Now, back to LittleK -
Please do not think I am blaming or accusing you of anything. I am really and truly heartbroken for you. I know you are devastated and angry. Try to talk to your doctor again. When they say "these things happen" ask them what exactly DID happen (I am suspecting your placenta separated - but that is just a off the wall guess). I know you need to blame someone - that is only human nature - but sometimes, sadly, there is no one to blame.
 

rmet4nzkx

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Tigz said:
littleK, I am so very sorry for your loss.

Please do not get offended by what I am about to say...I do not know you, nor do I know of your medical history prior to what you have posted, please keep that in mind when you read this....

To others, it seems as though everyone is ready to send a lynch mob after someone...the Doctor, the hospital...some person has to be at fault here...right?

No one has thought to ask LittleK about her medical history with her OB prior to the initial trip to the hospital. Did she even have an OB and did she see her/him on a regular basis? By that stage in her pregnancy, she should have been going weekly. What kind of pregnancy did she have up to that point? Did she Drink or smoke? Did she do drugs? Was she well nourished? what was her overall health?

All I am saying is that lets know the facts before we become judge, jury, and executioner. Do you really think that if they thought she was in immediate danger that they would let her go?
Is it possible that they felt that the lungs still weren’t developed enough and that they thought that the baby had a better chance if they waited? You know...doctors are human, they aren't empowered with the gift of clairvoyance. They can't see the future.

I am not saying that there was no negligence...I’m not even implying it...the fact is that I don't know - I haven't been given near enough facts to have much of an opinion - neither does anyone else here. Her being on Medicaid has nothing to do with this. Once the insurance carriers says the doctor must discharge, there is little that can be done other than maybe sending her to the nearest charity hospital. (Sorry, hospitals are only required to treat non paying patients to the point that they are stable and can be transferred to the local indigent hospital)

Now, back to LittleK -
Please do not think I am blaming or accusing you of anything. I am really and truly heartbroken for you. I know you are devastated and angry. Try to talk to your doctor again. When they say "these things happen" ask them what exactly DID happen (I am suspecting your placenta separated - but that is just a off the wall guess). I know you need to blame someone - that is only human nature - but sometimes, sadly, there is no one to blame.
I'm sorry, I know that you meant well, but apparently you didn't read all the posts or didn't understand all the medical consequences of the substandard care received. No one is out to lynch the doctor per se, but it is clear that her care was not appropriate. Her problem suing is because of recent changes in FL law not lack of merit.
 
LittleK said:
Florida At 38 weeks of pregnancy I was diagnosed with pre eclampsia. I was admited to the hospital, and an amnio was done to check the babies lungs, they weren't quiet mature and an ultrasound showed me to be 36 weeks. Steroid shots were administered to help the babies lung mature quicker. All this time I was having contractions, but was given tributaline to stop them. After 4 days, they sent me home on bed rest despite my telling them I didn't feel well, and that I wasn't feeling the baby move as much as he had been and was worried. The doctor said my insurance wouldn't let me stay in the hospital. But I couldn't understand why they wouldn't induce me.That was a thursday night, Saturday afternoon I woke with very bad stomach pain, and started to have vaginal bleeding so called mid wife and went back to hospital. By the time I got to the hospital I was having contractions every other minute. When they hooked up the fetal monitor, they were having trouble finding a heartbeat so they brought up an ultrasound machine. Still they found nothing. Before anyone told me, I was ready to give birth. But my baby was no longer alive. If they had induced me after the steroids, he would have been fine. But they sent me home and sometime within that short time he had died. It's not clear why yet as this just happened, but most likely it was from a lack of ozygen to the fetus from the pre eclampsia. It doesnt make sense because I was full term either way they were looking at it and the only way to stop pre eclampsia is to deliver the baby, especialy since I was already dialated,having contractions, and so far along. Is this medical malpractice or wrongful death? nothing will bring back my baby, but they shouldn't get away with all the mistakes they made. can someone please give me some advice?


First of all...........So sorry for your loss..........I have been through this with a five month pregnancy........My baby was in distress due to a fever I had (4 weeks) and the doctor kept telling me to take tylenol---She never ordered any tests to find out why I had the fever..........I found out after my baby died about 3 months later that this could have been prevented with antibiotics for maternal fever. I had a very common infection in pregnancy and the doctor missed it (found evidence in placenta).......According to the lawyer it was blatant negligence but he could do nothing about it???
Unfortunately due to abortion laws it is very difficult to bring a lawsuit against a doctor unless the baby draws his/her first breath..........About 2 years ago I lost a 5 month pregnancy due to doctor error (I was told this by another doctor, and was confirmed by an attorney) I was told by the attorney that there is no case unless my baby drew his first breath........I was in shock..... basically a doctor can screw up all day long while you are pregnant, but if the baby is not born alive there is nothing you can do about it.. I have terrible luck with OBGYN's as I have a five month old that was damaged by an OB..........(attorney is handeling this) Had my son not drawn his first breath there would be nothing I could have done........... I feel very sad when I see other people go through a similar experience that I did........When it happened to me.......I just kept telling myself that this just doesn't happen, and how can this go unpunished???? But unfortunately it happens often (once being too much) and according to the attorneys I talked to (many because I was in denial) there is nothing that can be done.

If I have any more children I'm tempted to act as my own OB.........Can't do any worse than what was done to my boys.......I think I would be safer delivering in a ditch with a homeless person as the doctor............

Again I am so sorry for your loss.............I live in Illinois so the laws may be different in cases like these........I hope for your sake it is.......This should not be allowed to happen..............I wish you the best............Good Luck!
 

LittleK

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TIGZ
Ok, well I am not offended,
HERE:

Yes, I had an OB. I saw her regularly. And yes, actually, because of the high blood pressure, pre eclampsia, I was being seen every 3 days for 2 months.

I had a fine pregnancy up until pre eclampsia was diagnosed. No problems.

I don't smoke and never have. And I didn't drink at all. Yes, I had drank beofre I was pregnant, but not at all everyday or even close to it. A glass of wine occasionaly, maybe a margarita when I was out . And I do not use drugs at all, I didn't even take tylenol durring pregnancy.

I was in very good health. I wasn't over weight. I exersiced everyday. Made a habbit of taking vitamins for a long time.

I wasn't under nourished. I ate a very well balanced diet, as I am a cook myself, and think eating healthy is very important at any time.

When they released me from the hospital, my blood pressure was 156/108
Protein in my urine, along with abnormal cbc, etc. etc. And I live an hour from the hospital, and myself, don't drive.

After 48 hrs. the bethametasone should have taken effect (steroid shots) thats when they sent me home, only after stalling my labor with repeated brethine shots,despite being 37 weeks along. And gave me a perscription to continue at home to slow contractions.

I have asked the Dr. repeatedly what happened "exactly". No one has yet to tell me. What they did say is you can't tell for sure, these things happen, and" God has a plan. " And, coincidently, they have "misplaced" the
pathoslogist, genetic and placenta test results.

When I was released, I was anything but stable, contracting, and dialated.

Thankyou for the concern. Im not looking for someone to "blame" Im looking for someone to realize their mistakes, and appoligize for not giving my son a chance to live and ignoring what was wrong .

And, if they had given me the option of staying, and paying myself, I wouldn't have even hesitated knowing what was going on, and feeling how i fellt.
Now, anything else? :confused:
 
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rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
The tests exist on computer somewhere, file a formal complaint at the hospital and ask them for the reports, they are hiding something!
 

WhereIsJustice

Junior Member
Newbie to this site, but a expert patient (been there, done that)

:) Wash St. Hi LittleK, I've been going over your very heartbreaking experiance noted here on the web, & I have to tell you all. Hospitals & Drs. lie. I watched as a nurse took my last 2 mights after a surgery, of my nightly morphine. Instead of giving it to me, guess she thought I was too rummy to notice. She got fired, & I suffered for 2 days. :mad: I was told 3 x's face to face by my mothers Dr. she was only gone for 5 mins. then they got her heart beating again, after a massave heart attack,the day after her surgery. The staff, all the nurses, & repeatedly the Dr. we trusted so much, watched as for 2 weeks our family around the clock, w/all our pics., her gr.kids pics,. & her great gr.kids pics on the walls, celebating thier 60th ann. in the rm..all still said they didn't know what happened, she was gone only 5 min. 2 weeks later, as my father took her to a special home for those in comas. The Dr there showed my father she was gone for 45mins! There was no crash cart on the floor, they had to go 3 floors down to get one, & it took 45 mins! :eek: She was brain dead all that time as we waited for her to awake. They even had the gall to try & convince us, in my fathers greatest time of need, he was crazy. Because he is a wonderful christian, & he believed in them, & God. 5 mins..surely she will awake. I've seen many coma people worse off then 5 mins..come back, w/some tlc be as good as new. I was lied to so many times. I won't say, it would be a even longer book then this 1. :rolleyes:

The only thing I don't understand LitteK, is why the ME didn't right away demand a autopsy? My mom, & recently my daughter, both had them, & it never cost us anything. It could be differant in each state, but he should have had one regardless of you having money or not. They, in my book, are hiding something from you. Get a awesome attn. It is like shopping for a good Dr. check them all out, find 1 that is willing to fight for you, because they want justice for your baby & you. Thier out there, but find the right 1 for this case, & you. Not all just want money, some do still do the job for the right reasons. Go & get em LittlK, & God be w/you! I'll be praying, ..You have a case, but itis a long tiring road..are you willing & ready? ( I hope you said "YES!") Because it is time for people like you, me, & others who have been victimized, & hurt beyond compare..to set an example for others, so others may not have to have this ever happen to them. I had a drug given to me onve that wasn't FDA approved, I was the 1st woman to have the shot for birth control, ( I didn't know that was what it was.) I was told it might help, & they made me sign a waver. ( I had already had a radical hysterectomy, have no idea why I was the chosen guinia pig). :confused:

I had a wonderful attn. who once told me why the lady always wears a blind fold...justice is blind. :rolleyes: He really didn't have to tell me that.lol! But, he was a good attn, that once worked for the bad guys, & woke up 1 day, & decided he wanted justice..miracles do happen..now & then.Just be prepared, it takes a very long time to get through a case, the wheels of justice are very slow, & don't be afraid to fire a attn, if he isn't doing his job & rehire someone new..I did, I found you need to keep afdter them too, or they bury you beneath all thier other paperwork. Be aggressivem you didn't do anything wrong, also, your paying the bill. They are only people like us. They just chose that as thier way of living. As I said, some because of the right reasons, some for money.Be brave, & stand up for your rights. This is a stinky coverup. I sensed it more & more as I read your messages, then your replies. Do it now, as time goes by, less chances of getting this thing off the ground. I am so sorry for what you & yours have gone through, nothing I can say can change what has happened, but that is why God gave us 1 another. When 1 falls, & the burdenis too heavy, another picks him/her up & lends whatever he or she has, to help. God bless.

You will find also LittleK, this will give you some peace of mind, not everything is about money as I know you know.You need to make some sense out of what happened, or it will haunt you forever. Be patient, get a great aggressive attn, who believes in you, & await as the truth unfolds. Please e-mail me personally, or keep us all posted. I feel we all care deeply about this situation, it breaks all of our hearts.Time to dry the tears, & get into action. Many attns, will work for nothing, .if they believe enough that they will. I feel you have a good chance of that happening.

I also want to thank the site, the people who are the managers of this site..for letting us gather to talk, & get thier opinions. I promise as a newbie, my messages will be shorter in the future. I have to retrain them. :)

P.S. My daughter in law is very tiny, all of her babys were 2-4lbs at birth. Yours probably was very tiny too.
 

LittleK

Junior Member
Thankyou very much for the support. I am sorry for all youv'e ben trough.

Dr.s do lie, and they are the ones that you trust your life with or that of those you love. And it's sad. Society,as a whole, needs morals. Especially those in positions of power.

Yes, we did want an autopsy. The hospital staff had offered one the night it happened. They said there wasnt a charge for one .And we said Yes. Then two days later, when I was about to be released, the "bereavment couns." came in and told me that it would cost me $3,000 upfront to have it done. And with just buying thousands of $$ of baby things, moving to Florida from Massachusetts, and Now, a funeral, we didn't have the extra money just lying around. Especially since I had quit my job. So, we only had the genetic testing, cord and placenta done. Which they have since told me they can't find.

I am talking with a OB/Lawyer who is going over my case w/ her partners and should get back to me next week. So, I have my fingers crossed.

Alex was small, 4lbs. 13 oz. But he was perfect in every way. We are going to try to have another one, but we are waiting a few months yet.
I know we can never replace him, but we want a family. Altohugh we already have one, because he will be with us forever. We only wanted one child, but I think we now want 2.
Thankyou again.
 

WhereIsJustice

Junior Member
WhereIsJustice to LittkeK

Wash St.
:) I'm so excited to hear you got what appears to be a good set of attns! I'm in total agreement w/you about our country as a whole, losing it's morals, as well as my concerns of the corrupted people we do have that power our lives. Whether it be a Dr., or attn., courts, laws, etc. :rolleyes:

I lost a baby at my 4th month, it was a girl. We had waited for such a long time after 2 sons to finally have a daughter. It seemed out of place when the Dr. told me to get pregnant as soon as possible again after it taking 2 months of awaiting for my body to discharge her on it's own, (back in the 70's), until they finally placed me on my birthday, Mothers day, to do an "therapudic abortion". Awaking in the maternity ward to seeing new mothers feeding thier babys, & feeling it finally taking a mental toll on me.

But, it was the best thing for us, specially for me. You can't replace a child w/a child, anymore then you can replace any living thing. But it helped me mentally..even though the baby turned out to be a precious boy who ended up sleeping in a pink bassinett.. :p

God blessed us 2 yrs.later, after 3 sons, w/our St.Patricks day baby girl, the 26 yr. old we just recently & suddenly lost. ME said unknown causes. 1 yr. later, we still are trying hard to understand & try to overcome this. Still, her time here on earth, was nothing but a blessing to us.

My prayers go w/you, I am very curious why the autopsy wasn't done, or why that lady would tell you it cost so much, if anything. I'm sure the attns. will find out.

God be w/you LittleK. Your heading down the right path to finding out some answers, & that is the important thing. Right now, you need to seek peace & understanding. I pray those attns. help you succeed in doing that & more.

I'm so sorry for what you had to go through, & still are. Someone made a big mistake, glad to see you aren't 1 to quit. We need to all get involved anymore, too many things in our world are corrupted. There is no more trust, everyone has to watch your own footsteps, as we help watch each other. Specially re - Drs. & hospitals. :o

(Please beware of attns. too. keep calling if you stop hearing from them. They too are only human, doomed to error. Not all, but enough.)

P.S. Thank you so much for your concern, I feel so heart broken & in a way can relate to your horrible ordeal. Your doing the right thing LittleK, keep it up for as long as it takes. You need the answers, the peace, your baby deserves the justice. It takes people like you, to make a change. I'm so proud of you. I wish more would be more active in taking control & setting things right. Time for people , who think they are above the law, to be held accountable.

To the site owners. We all thank you so much for giving us a chance to ask for legal advise, & also speak to one another. Thank you very much. :)
 
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