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justalayman

Senior Member
Saying might does not mean much. Unless you have some actual support that a university that actually prides itself on not denying [alphabet folks] access to their campus but has done the opposite, is unfair to them.

I can say might about anything but especislly if i give no reasonable alternate reason, you might as well not bother with the "might" It is clear that was your belief.

You are assuming a lot to come to the conclusion ND denied you because of your trans status.

ND is notorious for being extremely selective in all admissions so presuming it was based on your trans status suggests more about your mental place in life than their policies.
It's actually easier for me to settle on that than to believe I was somehow snubbed academically
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Exactly my point.

As to why I get upset:
It's what I do. I see your actions as damaging to the [alphabet] community. They do face discrimination already. When there is a person claiming (sorry, suggesting) discrimination with absolutely no basis to make that claim by a entity that has endeavored to remove such bias harms the [alphabet] community. They already have the actual discrimination to deal with but now are dealing with manufactured bias. Nobody likes a person that blames others for their shortcomings and since you are a member of the [alphabet] community, it is an expected reaction that some will view it as one of "them" causing trouble. While I don't even suggest those in the [alphabet] community hide themselves or their choice, anytime you start waiving flags somebody is going to take a greater notice to it. When people bring attention to themselves, they have no right to complain they are being noticed.
 


MacNamara

Junior Member
Saying might means a whole lot - if I wanted to make a definitive statement because I am so certain on the issue (as you, with your evidently mind-reading abilities, claim I am), I would say it just so (i.e. instead of saying "it might have been the reason..." I would say "It was the reason"). Saying that it was my "belief" is what is meaningless - of course that is a thought I have considered (in other words, a belief), I would not have suggested it if there was not any sort of propensity towards it anywhere in my mind, but as I just said (and which "might" should have conveyed in the first place), I am willing to leave open that there were other reasons behind that instance, and it may very well indeed have been those other reasons.

As to my being a member of the "gay" or "trans" community and representative of them as such, that is frankly laughable - it is on par with saying any particular individual is automatically a representative of and part of a generic social body associated with their race, ethnicity, beliefs, etc. (ex. assuming all black people are thugs just because you met one or some who are such and they are somehow the standard of the black community in your mind). I do not care about the gay or trans "community" anymore if not less (speaking particularly of "gay") than I do about other minourity groups nor do I consider myself having any culture in common with them other than (speaking for trans) a drive for extreme body modification. If you want to judge other trans people based on my actions - which apparently amounts to the cardinal sin of saying on an internet forum someone at ND might have discriminated against me, which was far aside from the point of the discussion (which was asking what I should do about my old name being visible online unlike your claim that it's about me "blaming other's for my shortcomings") and which would not have been brought up if someone had not mentioned the "religious" aspect (as I originally didn't name the school) - that is up to you but that blatant overreaction and stereotyping says far more about you (and your "mental state") than it does about me.
 
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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Saying might means a whole lot - if I wanted to make a definitive statement because I am so certain on the issue (as you, with your evidently mind-reading abilities, claim I am), I would say it just so (i.e. instead of saying "it might have been the reason..." I would say "It was the reason"). Saying that it was my "belief" is what is meaningless - of course that is a thought I have considered (in other words, a belief), I would not have suggested it if there was not any sort of propensity towards it anywhere in my mind, but as I just said (and which "might" should have conveyed in the first place), I am willing to leave open that there were other reasons behind that instance, and it may very well indeed have been those other reasons.

As to my being a member of the "gay" or "trans" community and representative of them as such, that is frankly laughable - it is on par with saying any particular individual is automatically a representative of and part of a generic social body associated with their race, ethnicity, beliefs, etc. (ex. assuming all black people are thugs just because you met one or some who are such and they are somehow the standard of the black community in your mind). I do not care about the gay or trans "community" anymore if not less (speaking particularly of "gay") than I do about other minourity groups nor do I consider myself having any culture in common with them other than (speaking for trans) a drive for extreme body modification. If you want to judge other trans people based on my actions - which apparently amounts to the cardinal sin of saying on an internet forum someone at ND might have discriminated against me, which was far aside from the point of the discussion (which was asking what I should do about my old name being visible online unlike your claim that it's about me "blaming other's for my shortcomings") and which would not have been brought up if someone had not mentioned the "religious" aspect (as I originally didn't name the school) - that is up to you but that blatant overreaction and stereotyping says far more about you (and your "mental state") than it does about me.

This is exactly the type of reaction that was being referred to above.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
Nothing better than a person going; let me prove your point for you.

I do wish you would have been more conservative with your verbiage though.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I am into bodybuilding and I am growing a full beard so if it wasn't for the past name being so easily available, I am pretty sure no one besides those few I have had to deal with in regards to legal and medical issues in the past would have a clue at this point.

And I am pretty sure that you are mistaken. Sorry. I can tell which of my kids friends are trans*, and which are not.
 

MacNamara

Junior Member
To stealth2:

I am thinking that is more to do with they act similarly and/or share the same interests as your child (if they didn't, they couldn't be friends I imagine) and so you are more easily able to identify them as a type of one you already know (through your child). I don't know any other trans people in real life but I would assume they don't all act the same. If you don't mean actions/personality though, I am not sure how else you are making a distinction.
 

MacNamara

Junior Member
Nothing better than a person going; let me prove your point for you.

I do wish you would have been more conservative with your verbiage though.

The first sentence: 1.) Shows that you are an extremely petty person because you apparently highly value being proven correct (in your own mind) and it is scarcely less petty if it was said in sarcasm and 2.) Shows your lack of mental brawn in general because, whether or not I proved your "point" of evidently mistakenly attributing my rejection to the wrong reason or that I apparently make the "trans" community look "bad" because I feel so entitled to mention in what amounts to the length of a footnote in my opening that I might have been discriminated against by a university, with nothing more than my own "bias" as evidence (I suggest you go back and think about that long and hard because I almost can't believe anyone is stupid enough to not see what is wrong with that expression), I made my stance clear that I am not certain about it but that was the tenuous explanation I have held for it, and, most importantly, that was far besides the main issue of the thread. If being right is all that matters to you, I will humour you and say, You are right, A+, here is your golden sticker, hush up now unless you have anything relevant to say other than being mysteriously butthurt over Notre Dame.

Moving on then, as I am not responding to anymore of your obvious trolling.
 
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justalayman

Senior Member
And you continuing to post tomes shows you have a problem with accepting being wrong.

Have a great life but glad to hear it won't be at Notre Dame.
 

MacNamara

Junior Member
Considering that I agreed with you that I could be mistaken (in fact, the only point of contention from your original post was your arrogantly presumptuous claim that I had no evidence whatsoever for the possibility of discrimination in that one case, "outside of my head" or "my own bias" - as if bias comes out of nowhere spontaneously, which you then followed up with a vain attempt at philology and insisting you are right about something I never disagreed with), the assertion that I can't accept being wrong is about as well-founded as the rest of your derailing diatribe. Good luck setting up arguments where they didn't really exist just to feel good about yourself (maybe that's not a hobby of yours but for all I know of you, it seems so) and I hope one day you expand your reading capacity to beyond the four or five sentences that you consider "tomes."
 

justalayman

Senior Member
And she is still yammering

tome (tōm)
n.
1. One of the books in a work of several volumes.
2. A book, especially a large or scholarly one.

Obviously in reference to your extremely long (and far from graduate level skill) writings.

But if your extremely long posts are only five or six sentences long, well, it pretty much proves Notre Dame denied you due to your abilities and education and it had nothing to do with your trans status. Maybe you should work more on your education and quit being so paranoid about your choices regarding your gender issues.

I just realized; your entire latest post was only two sentences Maybe you have posted only 5 or 6 sentences total after all. If so, you really need to brush up on your writing skills. Such lengthy and meandering in purpose sentences are really frowned upon in the academic world.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
To stealth2:

I am thinking that is more to do with they act similarly and/or share the same interests as your child (if they didn't, they couldn't be friends I imagine) and so you are more easily able to identify them as a type of one you already know (through your child). I don't know any other trans people in real life but I would assume they don't all act the same. If you don't mean actions/personality though, I am not sure how else you are making a distinction.

You are a bit narrow minded with this comment. I have friends who are trans. I am not. I have never been thought to be trans because I hang around with them.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
And she is still yammering

tome (tōm)
n.
1. One of the books in a work of several volumes.
2. A book, especially a large or scholarly one.

Obviously in reference to your extremely long (and far from graduate level skill) writings.

But if your extremely long posts are only five or six sentences long, well, it pretty much proves Notre Dame denied you due to your abilities and education and it had nothing to do with your trans status. Maybe you should work more on your education and quit being so paranoid about your choices regarding your gender issues.

I just realized; your entire latest post was only two sentences Maybe you have posted only 5 or 6 sentences total after all. If so, you really need to brush up on your writing skills. Such lengthy and meandering in purpose sentences are really frowned upon in the academic world.

HE. OP is male.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
HE. OP is male.

well, maybe. If one is "in the process" are they actually either?
a few years ago I changed my name as I am transgender and am in the process of transitioning.

between that and the fact that I have also taken the necessary medical and subsequent legal steps to change my gender marker on both my birth certificate and ID, it automatically gives me away if someone finds it.

and while I know everybody here hates me for it but I still say when Pepe LePew painted his stripe so he appeared to be a cat, he really was still a skunk. I can accept [alphabet] folks and their choice to live with whatever gender identity they choose (not suggesting the "feelings" are a choice. simply that to live as that is the choice) but there is nothing in the world that can change their biological sex. I know I'm politically incorrect but I also think too many people are getting upset about things that make the issue not about one choosing to live as they choose but to force others to acknowledge they are in fact of the sex they have chosen to live as. Sorry but a he is a he from birth to death and a gal is a gal just the same. I don't care how they identify but until God steps in, no female will ever have prostate, testicular, or penile cancer and no man will every have ovarian, uterine, or cervical cancer.

I won't apologize for not agreeing that a man can become a woman and vice versa. I can accept they can live however they choose and to alter their appearance to whatever they choose but in the end, when you draw blood from a man or a woman, you can determine the sexual identity with that and that means a male will always me a male and a female will always be a female, regardless how they live their life.

so let the rock throwing begin.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
I will throw the first (and perhaps only) rock.

I do not pretend to know why people think the way they do but I do often wonder how some people can think so differently than I do.
Me, a bigot? While I may be crass, assertive, and outspoken, I don't think I am a bigot.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Me, a bigot? While I may be crass, assertive, and outspoken, I don't think I am a bigot.

Re-read the post that I deleted (but not before you quoted it apparently). I never called you a bigot. I don't think you are.

I said your thinking was different than mine, though, which it is.

That said, I am trying to figure out how this thread could wind up being a verbal assault on this poster. That makes no sense to me. I saw nothing that MacNamara said that was unreasonable. MacNamara wanted to know if the name/gender change could be removed from online records because of fears that public access could negatively influence people who ran across the records. Laws on name-change publications were changed partially in response to the same concerns MacNamara expressed here. The concerns expressed were not unreasonable concerns.

MacNamara's mention of Notre Dame was in response to my comment about religious institutions. Those who are transgender may have more difficulty being accepted to a religious college or university. It was understandable for MacNamara to think the record of name and gender change might have played a role in not being accepted to Notre Dame, whether that was the actual reason or not (and it more than likely had no role at all).

At any rate, I deleted my post because I don't throw rocks at people if they think differently than I do - although sometimes I might feel like doing so. :p
 
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