Shay-Pari'e
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StpmomNchicago said:
Obviously a hell of a lot more than you. You think Iraq was behind 911. I think BinLaden and his friends were.
Who's the stupid one here?
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Obviously a hell of a lot more than you. You think Iraq was behind 911. I think BinLaden and his friends were.
Who's the stupid one here?
chrisdizz22
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From the birth of America to America today, the driving force and the heart of America has always been the "American Dream." By looking at America now the dream has quite literally become a reality. The United States has always strived to be superior, and it is today arguably the most powerful nation in the world. Why is it then that citizens of non-American countries should not be able to have the chance to decide whether they too want to live the ‘American Dream”? American culture should not just have to be only in America. People in countries outside of the United States should have the opportunity to live the lives that they want without the fear of being “punished” for their actions. America is currently one of the most liberated countries in the world. It is important for American’s to make every effort possible to attempt to liberate countries that constantly force large amounts of their citizens to live oppressed lives.
There are many that would debate that it is not America’s place to decide to “liberate” other countries or to decide that it is going to take on the “War on Terrorism.” It is very hard to distinguish what the fine line is in deciding what terrorism is or isn’t. Some would say that America bombing towns in Iraq and killing innocent civilians is terrorism. This is not the case due to the fact that people have to realize that there are losses and gains when countries go to war against each other. Innocent people dying is a small price to pay for freedom. Even a country like America has had many human casualties trying to achieve the freedom that it has achieved today. My husband once gave me a great example of terrorism. He told me that when he was stationed in Turkey, terrorists would kidnap young females and tell these girls that they had their families and that the girls had to do whatever the terrorists wanted or they would kill their entire families. They would then take these girls and strap explosives around their stomachs to make them look pregnant and drive them to various government facilities. Once the young girls got inside of these facilities the terrorists would set off the explosives around their stomach. When reading this blatant example of terrorism, you must remember that females in a lot of countries in the Middle East are expendable, they have no rights. The girls would do these things because it is the only thing they can do to better their families.
To further emphasize; Andreas writes in his essay “September 11, 2001 marked the beginning of a new chapter in America’s foreign wars. In this chapter, violence may be more continuous and widespread and there may be more impact at home” (Andreas 749). Critics of the “War on Terrorism” need to keep an open mind that even though we live in America, what happens in the rest of the world will eventually come to affect America also. I don’t see why America, or any other country for that matter, should just stand by and let these acts of terrorism keep on occurring. Many third world countries do not have the means to take care of these internal problems themselves and require the help of outside nations. In a democratic or communist nation citizens do not have the ability to make decisions for themselves. Just because the high ranking officials in Iraq want Iraq to run one way does not mean that the rest of the citizens of the country do to. If a few innocent people must die so that dangerous terrorists are stopped, then it is something that must be done. The rest of the world should not just stand and watch as a nation falls apart on itself.
Countries such as Iraq and North Korea, in this day and age, do not even have the freedom of free speech. Citizens in Iraq and North Korea don’t have the option to say that they don’t like their leaders or that they don’t want to fight for their country’s beliefs if they themselves do not believe in the same thing. A lot of these people do not have the ability to stand up against their government and say that no what the nations leaders want is not what they want. For the most part the “American dream” is, that through hard work, courage and determination one can achieve prosperity. Prosperity does not just have to be in terms of money. It can also mean to make oneself better. With America trying to liberate nations that run under a communist or dictator governments, it gives a large part of that nations population the option to in some way shape or form, live the “American dream”. America does not force people to live an American lifestyle, it simply gives them the option to do so if they desire.
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Its easy to say that we should liberate the opressed, when you are not the one doing the liberating...........My self being a soldier, i dont want to die for another country. i dont want to die to give someone the right to own property, I dont want to die to allow someone else to live the "American Dream" or for a female to work in a male dominated field ......what you are asking is insane, would you want someone your close to, to be sent off to fight and possibly die so that. some people that have never know anything any different, then their opressed lifes. can live the american dream.. I joined the military so that i could defend my country for my self. to me i am number one. and dont want to die to give people rights....you essay doesnt take into account the full perspective of life.... you need to think about who is going to liberate these countrys...soldiers are actually real people who have familys and want to live
There are many that would debate that it is not America’s place to decide to “liberate” other countries or to decide that it is going to take on the “War on Terrorism.” It is very hard to distinguish what the fine line is in deciding what terrorism is or isn’t. Some would say that America bombing towns in Iraq and killing innocent civilians is terrorism. This is not the case due to the fact that people have to realize that there are losses and gains when countries go to war against each other. Innocent people dying is a small price to pay for freedom. Even a country like America has had many human casualties trying to achieve the freedom that it has achieved today. My husband once gave me a great example of terrorism. He told me that when he was stationed in Turkey, terrorists would kidnap young females and tell these girls that they had their families and that the girls had to do whatever the terrorists wanted or they would kill their entire families. They would then take these girls and strap explosives around their stomachs to make them look pregnant and drive them to various government facilities. Once the young girls got inside of these facilities the terrorists would set off the explosives around their stomach. When reading this blatant example of terrorism, you must remember that females in a lot of countries in the Middle East are expendable, they have no rights. The girls would do these things because it is the only thing they can do to better their families.
To further emphasize; Andreas writes in his essay “September 11, 2001 marked the beginning of a new chapter in America’s foreign wars. In this chapter, violence may be more continuous and widespread and there may be more impact at home” (Andreas 749). Critics of the “War on Terrorism” need to keep an open mind that even though we live in America, what happens in the rest of the world will eventually come to affect America also. I don’t see why America, or any other country for that matter, should just stand by and let these acts of terrorism keep on occurring. Many third world countries do not have the means to take care of these internal problems themselves and require the help of outside nations. In a democratic or communist nation citizens do not have the ability to make decisions for themselves. Just because the high ranking officials in Iraq want Iraq to run one way does not mean that the rest of the citizens of the country do to. If a few innocent people must die so that dangerous terrorists are stopped, then it is something that must be done. The rest of the world should not just stand and watch as a nation falls apart on itself.
Countries such as Iraq and North Korea, in this day and age, do not even have the freedom of free speech. Citizens in Iraq and North Korea don’t have the option to say that they don’t like their leaders or that they don’t want to fight for their country’s beliefs if they themselves do not believe in the same thing. A lot of these people do not have the ability to stand up against their government and say that no what the nations leaders want is not what they want. For the most part the “American dream” is, that through hard work, courage and determination one can achieve prosperity. Prosperity does not just have to be in terms of money. It can also mean to make oneself better. With America trying to liberate nations that run under a communist or dictator governments, it gives a large part of that nations population the option to in some way shape or form, live the “American dream”. America does not force people to live an American lifestyle, it simply gives them the option to do so if they desire.
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Its easy to say that we should liberate the opressed, when you are not the one doing the liberating...........My self being a soldier, i dont want to die for another country. i dont want to die to give someone the right to own property, I dont want to die to allow someone else to live the "American Dream" or for a female to work in a male dominated field ......what you are asking is insane, would you want someone your close to, to be sent off to fight and possibly die so that. some people that have never know anything any different, then their opressed lifes. can live the american dream.. I joined the military so that i could defend my country for my self. to me i am number one. and dont want to die to give people rights....you essay doesnt take into account the full perspective of life.... you need to think about who is going to liberate these countrys...soldiers are actually real people who have familys and want to live
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
StpmomNchicago said:Did you even read the essay?
I highly doubt IAAL got through your first couple of sentences, as I didn't. Why read the essay after that?
panzertanker
Senior Member
[/QUOTE=chrisdizz22]Its easy to say that we should liberate the opressed, when you are not the one doing the liberating...........My self being a soldier, i dont want to die for another country. i dont want to die to give someone the right to own property, I dont want to die to allow someone else to live the "American Dream" or for a female to work in a male dominated field ......what you are asking is insane, would you want someone your close to, to be sent off to fight and possibly die so that. some people that have never know anything any different, then their opressed lifes. can live the american dream.. I joined the military so that i could defend my country for my self. to me i am number one. and dont want to die to give people rights....you essay doesnt take into account the full perspective of life.... you need to think about who is going to liberate these countrys...soldiers are actually real people who have familys and want to live[/QUOTE]
Amen, and people need to realize that the soldiers are DOING A JOB!
They do not have a choice. That is the whole philosophy behind the military. You are not supposed to question, you are supposed to DO.
Give the soldiers respect for doing a job, and take up the grumblings you have with the job they are doing with your government.
As for IAAL's responses, everyone has an opinion. That is what makes America great. Just because you do not agree with the other person's opinion does not mean that they are incorrect. Nor does it give you the right to "blow them up" as we have experienced firsthand through the 9/11 fiasco, and seen through the eyes of the people of the world from the continent of South America to Europe.
Stepmomnchicago, do you not want a military available to defend you? If I was sitting on the side of the road and saw a group of people killing you and your friends because they thought you did not subscribe to their "ideas", should I intervene and help? Do you not think it is every "man's" responsibility to help their fellow man? Your signature evokes a sense of God, are those just words to you??? Did I make any grammatical errors in this post?
Amen, and people need to realize that the soldiers are DOING A JOB!
They do not have a choice. That is the whole philosophy behind the military. You are not supposed to question, you are supposed to DO.
Give the soldiers respect for doing a job, and take up the grumblings you have with the job they are doing with your government.
As for IAAL's responses, everyone has an opinion. That is what makes America great. Just because you do not agree with the other person's opinion does not mean that they are incorrect. Nor does it give you the right to "blow them up" as we have experienced firsthand through the 9/11 fiasco, and seen through the eyes of the people of the world from the continent of South America to Europe.
Stepmomnchicago, do you not want a military available to defend you? If I was sitting on the side of the road and saw a group of people killing you and your friends because they thought you did not subscribe to their "ideas", should I intervene and help? Do you not think it is every "man's" responsibility to help their fellow man? Your signature evokes a sense of God, are those just words to you??? Did I make any grammatical errors in this post?
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trailerparkmedi
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Its easy to say that we should liberate the opressed, when you are not the one doing the liberating...........My self being a soldier, i dont want to die for another country. i dont want to die to give someone the right to own property, I dont want to die to allow someone else to live the "American Dream" or for a female to work in a male dominated field ......what you are asking is insane, would you want someone your close to, to be sent off to fight and possibly die so that. some people that have never know anything any different, then their opressed lifes. can live the american dream.. I joined the military so that i could defend my country for my self. to me i am number one. and dont want to die to give people rights....you essay doesnt take into account the full perspective of life.... you need to think about who is going to liberate these countrys...soldiers are actually real people who have familys and want to live
Thank you.... I just want everyone who is all "Yay for Iraq! We stopped the bad guys!" to think of the parents, friends, and 20 year old widows of the dead soldiers. Then, think of the guys who come back without a leg because we have them drive around 1SG in an unarmored Humvee, or have PTSD because the IED hit the Humvee in front of them and they had to shoot that 12 year old who opened fire first. Then, remember that most of these guys will be doing 2 tours, often getting extended with very little notice.
So cut them some slack, and don't you dare criticize the military if you haven't gone through similar combat experiences.
misledyouth
Member
"If you must know I got shot with with .233. Which if you know anything about ammo (and I do because I was a munitions specialist) is typically from a M16." - Jillian483
"What so you think I was doing in Iraq? Twiddling my thumbs? If I specialize in NBC ... there has to be a reason I was there." - Jillian483
"I thought you were a nuclear specialist...." - chrisdizz22
Now this is some funny stuff. Jillian I have a feeling you don't do much of anything in the service. You sure like to make it seem that your job is 100x's more important than it is...whichever job you really do that is. And as for the war. You people seriously think that the US should be over there, and OUR soldiers getting killed for someone else's freedom (probably really not the reason we are there). Come on. Down with Bush.
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Let the DJ try
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War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War is something that I despise
For it means destruction of innocent lives
For it means tears in thousands of mothers' eyes
When their sons go out to fight to give their lives
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
War
Friend only to the undertaker
War is the enemy of all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind
Handed down from generation to generation
Induction destruction
Who wants to die
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War has shattered many young men's dreams
Made them disabled bitter and meanLife is too precious to be fighting wars
each day
War can't give life it can only take it away
War
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
War
Friend only to the undertaker
Peace love and understanding
There must be some place for these things today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord there's gotta be a better way
That's better than
War
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
The Boss
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War is something that I despise
For it means destruction of innocent lives
For it means tears in thousands of mothers' eyes
When their sons go out to fight to give their lives
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
War
Friend only to the undertaker
War is the enemy of all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind
Handed down from generation to generation
Induction destruction
Who wants to die
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War has shattered many young men's dreams
Made them disabled bitter and meanLife is too precious to be fighting wars
each day
War can't give life it can only take it away
War
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
War
Friend only to the undertaker
Peace love and understanding
There must be some place for these things today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord there's gotta be a better way
That's better than
War
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
War
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
The Boss
StpmomNchicago
Member
AAAH so let me get this right..... You don't agree with my opinion so that makes me wrong? Well I don't agree with your opinion so if we are both wrong.... who is right?
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BushSupporter
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President George W. Bush is an All-American hero. He is the glorious leader who leades us into battle. We WILL get Bin Laden and al Qada over there in Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction are still there, just hidden. Iraq was a direct threat to the United States and were preparing to launch their nuclear missiles at us, as told by our president. Victory will prevale. Next we will conquer Iran and North Korea, hell maybe even France and Germany because they are also the axis of evil. They think they can threaten to counquer us with terrorism, we'll get 'em with a can of Texas whoop-ass, i.e. our true hero George W. Bush. Yeah the election machines might have been rigged and whatever else, but we need him, not that peace loving communist Kerry. People look at President Bush and think he's just in it to make billions with Cheney and Haliburton, but what any true American see's is a man who is prepared to bring the world into WWIII to protect our beautiful nation. Saddam got us on 9-11, so we got him back. Its time for all of us to start thinking like all-american patriots, and support our president, vice-president, and our Secretary od Defense, who is doing the most awesome job taking care of our boys over there.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
It has been proven that Saddam had NOTHING to do with 911, get real.
Hmmm, how long have we been looking for the weapons?
Hmmm, how long have we been looking for the weapons?
misledyouth
Member
BushSupporter said:President George W. Bush is an All-American hero. He is the glorious leader who leades us into battle. We WILL get Bin Laden and al Qada over there in Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction are still there, just hidden. Iraq was a direct threat to the United States and were preparing to launch their nuclear missiles at us, as told by our president. Victory will prevale. Next we will conquer Iran and North Korea, hell maybe even France and Germany because they are also the axis of evil. They think they can threaten to counquer us with terrorism, we'll get 'em with a can of Texas whoop-ass, i.e. our true hero George W. Bush. Yeah the election machines might have been rigged and whatever else, but we need him, not that peace loving communist Kerry. People look at President Bush and think he's just in it to make billions with Cheney and Haliburton, but what any true American see's is a man who is prepared to bring the world into WWIII to protect our beautiful nation. Saddam got us on 9-11, so we got him back. Its time for all of us to start thinking like all-american patriots, and support our president, vice-president, and our Secretary od Defense, who is doing the most awesome job taking care of our boys over there.
Holy ****! You are ridiculous! Do you have any clue what is really going on in the world? You think starting **** with every country that does things differently than us and eventually starting WWIII is going to protect the USA? NO WAY. Our nation will be the #1 target to every single nation we have remotely pissed off in the past (and thats quite a few). The USA would be hit by so many ICBM's, that 911 would look like an April fools prank. You think they are taking good care of the troops? Sending any soldier to fight a war that should never have been started is probably the worst thing you could do. Not to mention that our forces are not provided the proper funding and equipment to take names and kick ass over there. You think its ****ing ok to rig elections to get someone into office to start a fight over a terrorist attack that, in reality, has probably not even been found who is truly responsible for. That is the most un-American/patriotic concept I have ever heard off. I honestly hope you die before you breed and spread your views to your children.
chrisdizz22
Member
have you been locking in a box for the last three years.... rumsfeld is worthlessBushSupporter said:President George W. Bush is an All-American hero. He is the glorious leader who leades us into battle. We WILL get Bin Laden and al Qada over there in Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction are still there, just hidden. Iraq was a direct threat to the United States and were preparing to launch their nuclear missiles at us, as told by our president. Victory will prevale. Next we will conquer Iran and North Korea, hell maybe even France and Germany because they are also the axis of evil. They think they can threaten to counquer us with terrorism, we'll get 'em with a can of Texas whoop-ass, i.e. our true hero George W. Bush. Yeah the election machines might have been rigged and whatever else, but we need him, not that peace loving communist Kerry. People look at President Bush and think he's just in it to make billions with Cheney and Haliburton, but what any true American see's is a man who is prepared to bring the world into WWIII to protect our beautiful nation. Saddam got us on 9-11, so we got him back. Its time for all of us to start thinking like all-american patriots, and support our president, vice-president, and our Secretary od Defense, who is doing the most awesome job taking care of our boys over there.
Bush hasnt lead anyone to battle... lead infers that he also fought.... he threw our military into battle... why would bin laden be in IRAQ???? I must have missed the Iraq was prepairing to launch nukes. front page story....They said iraq was trying to get nukes,, keyword trying.... so how could he prepair to laungh nukes if he didnt have any nukes....I didnt know that saddam got us on 9-11 i could have sworn it was Bin Laden.....One IDIOT sticking up for another IDIOT....lady and gentlemen this here is your typical bush supporter.... also know as a dumb ass, idiot, moron, ect.ect.,....
chrisdizz22
Member
In MY opinion you are wrong.. in your opinion you are right.... but there is no right or wrong.... because these are opinions.... it just how you feel, and how i feel about the topic.. but i can tell you that most soldiers would take my point of view in this matter... becasue we are the ones that have to fight....and what you say doesnt hold much weight in my eyes untill you jon the military.. thenyoud probably realize what an idiotic essay that was....and come back to reality...StpmomNchicago said:AAAH so let me get this right..... You don't agree with my opinion so that makes me wrong? Well I don't agree with your opinion so if we are both wrong.... who is right?
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BushSupporter
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President George W. Bush may seem to liberals as the most corrupt, idiotic, lying, pathetic, poor excuse for a business man to ever enter the White House, but to the all-american patriot, he is the man uniting the world, promoting christianity and counquering countries that don't want to be democracies. We need to get out there and make everyone christians and there governments democracies. The greeks proved democracy works when they introduced civilization to uninhabited places like india, mesopatamia, persia. They proved it to be the answer to all of lifes problems, and in my opinion, if you're against our great leader or him counquering the world, you qualify as a terrorist and need to go to cuba. The patriot act came into affect to protect americans from the closet terrorist among us. Victory will prevail.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
You have serious issues dude. Please tell us you have pills for this. Just stay on your computer where you cannot harm anyone, ok?[
I]I am an all American Patriot/Republican, and I do not agree with you at all BushWhipped.
Watch your crap with calling everyone liberals when most of us clearly are not. [/I]
I]I am an all American Patriot/Republican, and I do not agree with you at all BushWhipped.
Watch your crap with calling everyone liberals when most of us clearly are not. [/I]
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