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yomama
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JINX...
Maybe the poor little baby (you) can process it better if I break it up into two separate issues. Do you have any children? Are your children in their teens? Now there, is that better? Children do much different things when they're in their teens than they do when they are younger. It doesn't matter if their parents are Charles Manson and his dancing cell mate or the Queen of England - they will misbehave, period! Anyone with a brain knows that much.
I see this boy quite often but I've never questioned him about this incident. I asked him about it today because of my post on this site. What you believe or don't believe isn't any of my concern.
We live in a very affluent community. The school is not about to pick up the telephone and call a newspaper or news station for every little thing that happens at school. Our local newpaper only prints 'happy' articles. They save the bad news for the larger surrounding areas. You're only showing your stupidity for saying that all school incidents make it to the news.
Like I said before, I wanted to hear from someone who was knowledgable about the subject. My son has served his suspension. It's over. I just wanted some stories from other people who have had similar situations. But then out comes the slime...
Maybe the poor little baby (you) can process it better if I break it up into two separate issues. Do you have any children? Are your children in their teens? Now there, is that better? Children do much different things when they're in their teens than they do when they are younger. It doesn't matter if their parents are Charles Manson and his dancing cell mate or the Queen of England - they will misbehave, period! Anyone with a brain knows that much.
I see this boy quite often but I've never questioned him about this incident. I asked him about it today because of my post on this site. What you believe or don't believe isn't any of my concern.
We live in a very affluent community. The school is not about to pick up the telephone and call a newspaper or news station for every little thing that happens at school. Our local newpaper only prints 'happy' articles. They save the bad news for the larger surrounding areas. You're only showing your stupidity for saying that all school incidents make it to the news.
Like I said before, I wanted to hear from someone who was knowledgable about the subject. My son has served his suspension. It's over. I just wanted some stories from other people who have had similar situations. But then out comes the slime...
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yomama
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Homecuckoo...
gosh! Where do you get these? Surely you don't think of them all by your wittle self? They are MUCH too intellectual and hilarious for you to do it alone.
Hmmm....how come no one's answering my questions about spending so much time on the forums if they're big shot lawyers?????
gosh! Where do you get these? Surely you don't think of them all by your wittle self? They are MUCH too intellectual and hilarious for you to do it alone.
Hmmm....how come no one's answering my questions about spending so much time on the forums if they're big shot lawyers?????
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PerfidyorFealty
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If a child gave the finger to a teacher regardless of whether or not her back was turned, our kids' school would have given him a 5 day suspension and not the "in-class" kind and it would have been exactly what the little disrespectful brat would have deserved. Yomamma, whatever you did to punish your little monster at home most likely wasn't enough seeings as how you don't consider what he did to be any big deal anyway. I'm sure at your house, flipping the bird is considered open communication and I reckon it's something your child frequently sees his mother do to others. What a stellar citizen you're raising.
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yomama
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Wow...
this site is just full of 'holier than thou' people isn't it? It's amazing the number of 'perfect' people here who have NEVER done anything wrong.
I am a Christian. I do not 'flip the bird' at anyone. I don't cuss, drink, smoke or do drugs. It was probably very un-Christian of me to call people here idiots and slime, but you know, I did not come here looking for people's uneducated OPINIONS. I am college-educated and am married to a college-educated man who makes well over 6 figures a year. I live in a $600,000 home (not much in CA but in TX it is.) I chose to give up my job as a Regional Property Manager for a large property company so that I could stay home and be here for my children. I am not at all what you people seem to want to make me out to be. You have to make yourselves feel better by attacking and judging other people. You know, my question was not for you to judge me or my child, it was to see what would happen or has happened at other schools. That's it.
My son is a great kid. As soon as he did it, he knew he was wrong. It was an IMPULSE and if any of you knew anything about ADD you would know that. Did I ever say it was okay for him to do this? No! Do any of your kids ever do this? The answer is yes, all of the time. They just might not get caught. You're all living with blinders on. Wake up!
this site is just full of 'holier than thou' people isn't it? It's amazing the number of 'perfect' people here who have NEVER done anything wrong.
I am a Christian. I do not 'flip the bird' at anyone. I don't cuss, drink, smoke or do drugs. It was probably very un-Christian of me to call people here idiots and slime, but you know, I did not come here looking for people's uneducated OPINIONS. I am college-educated and am married to a college-educated man who makes well over 6 figures a year. I live in a $600,000 home (not much in CA but in TX it is.) I chose to give up my job as a Regional Property Manager for a large property company so that I could stay home and be here for my children. I am not at all what you people seem to want to make me out to be. You have to make yourselves feel better by attacking and judging other people. You know, my question was not for you to judge me or my child, it was to see what would happen or has happened at other schools. That's it.
My son is a great kid. As soon as he did it, he knew he was wrong. It was an IMPULSE and if any of you knew anything about ADD you would know that. Did I ever say it was okay for him to do this? No! Do any of your kids ever do this? The answer is yes, all of the time. They just might not get caught. You're all living with blinders on. Wake up!
yomama said:
Hello,
I am not a lawyer. I would like to point that out. I have noticed a new form of opressive that schools have been beefing out for the last few months. Especially in Texas. If I was giving the student punishment it wouldn't of been that extreme. It would of been a D-Hall and nothing more than that. My brother got 3 days suspension and a ticket for throwing a very thin piece of plastic. What happened to me a few weeks ago is I got in trouble for turning in my paper that wasn't fully completed. the teacher gave me a d-hall. Naturally, I wouldn't serve something I don't deserve so I skipped it. They gave me another one on top of that and I skipped it. They gave me saturday school for the 2 dhalls I skipped. Naturally, I skipped that one too(see the pattern). They called me into the office and were going to give me 2 days ISS(In School Suspension), but I told the vice principal what happened. After a week of fighting I finally got all the things settled. I do not have to serve any of my time. Now, heres what you can do. Talk with the princpal. If he will not listen or reason with you threaten to contact the superintint of the district. If that doesn't work you could try getting some type of media action on the school. If that doesn't work I suggest contacting the TEA(Texas Education Agency). I haven't gotten that far, but i'm sure they can do something.
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yomama
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Hi Kingkerry...
Thank you for your response. First I want to say that my son is protected under the IDEA (Individual with Disabilities Education Act) law and has a Behavior Intervention Plan and IEP in place at school. The BIP is in place for the behavior that may occur as a result of having ADD and is supposed to offer POSITIVE solutions for undesired behaviors. ADDer's are known to be impulsively disrespectful at times. Also, they are not supposed to be disciplined for behaviors related to their disability. Although the impulsiveness of his actions is not his fault, he still should not have done what he did and deserved to have consequences. However, based on the fact that a child that has been in 4 fights at school never received more than 5 days of on-campus-suspension I just thought that 5 days was a little excessive for something that wasn't blatantly done to the teacher's face or to the class. This has been misconstrued by other posters as me not thinking it's a big deal. I know it's a big deal and I certainly don't want him to do things like that.
Now, to what you were saying to me in your post. I went to the TEA and filed a complaint for a due process hearing because of this incident. A gentleman at TEA told me that I had to be kidding when I told him of the incident and what the consequences were. An education attorney told me the same thing. I called for a meeting at the school the day after I filed the complaint and that's when they decided they would cut the suspension from 10 days to 5 days. The school did not know at this time that I had filed a complaint. My husband and I decided that we would accept this and called the dogs off because we wanted our son to have some consequences. It's only after hearing some other stories of offenses committed by students who are not disabled and their 'lenient' punishment that I decided to come here and see what had happended to other people in seemingly similar circumstances. Basically, this is all behind us now. But I definitely agree with you that you have to take things higher because the schools (yes, especially here in TX) will try to get away with whatever they can. Thanks for your input...take care.
Thank you for your response. First I want to say that my son is protected under the IDEA (Individual with Disabilities Education Act) law and has a Behavior Intervention Plan and IEP in place at school. The BIP is in place for the behavior that may occur as a result of having ADD and is supposed to offer POSITIVE solutions for undesired behaviors. ADDer's are known to be impulsively disrespectful at times. Also, they are not supposed to be disciplined for behaviors related to their disability. Although the impulsiveness of his actions is not his fault, he still should not have done what he did and deserved to have consequences. However, based on the fact that a child that has been in 4 fights at school never received more than 5 days of on-campus-suspension I just thought that 5 days was a little excessive for something that wasn't blatantly done to the teacher's face or to the class. This has been misconstrued by other posters as me not thinking it's a big deal. I know it's a big deal and I certainly don't want him to do things like that.
Now, to what you were saying to me in your post. I went to the TEA and filed a complaint for a due process hearing because of this incident. A gentleman at TEA told me that I had to be kidding when I told him of the incident and what the consequences were. An education attorney told me the same thing. I called for a meeting at the school the day after I filed the complaint and that's when they decided they would cut the suspension from 10 days to 5 days. The school did not know at this time that I had filed a complaint. My husband and I decided that we would accept this and called the dogs off because we wanted our son to have some consequences. It's only after hearing some other stories of offenses committed by students who are not disabled and their 'lenient' punishment that I decided to come here and see what had happended to other people in seemingly similar circumstances. Basically, this is all behind us now. But I definitely agree with you that you have to take things higher because the schools (yes, especially here in TX) will try to get away with whatever they can. Thanks for your input...take care.
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yomama
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JINX...
You are an absolute moron and really need to go back underneath your rock. Why haven't you answered any of my questions????? I know you've read the thread...we're all waiting...
You are an absolute moron and really need to go back underneath your rock. Why haven't you answered any of my questions????? I know you've read the thread...we're all waiting...
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yomama
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Homecuckoo...
Oh yeah, can't take it when someone questions your credentials, huh? You really think it's going to hurt my feelings to get kicked off of this site? OMGosh, I'll try to hold back the tears...
Oh yeah, can't take it when someone questions your credentials, huh? You really think it's going to hurt my feelings to get kicked off of this site? OMGosh, I'll try to hold back the tears...
JETX said:
I'm sorry that you feel this way. I guess you just can't admit that a 'child' has the power to outsmart you. I can tell your raised on the old "the teacher is right" crap. Do not underestimate the power of a young mind, because it's liable to bite you right in the @$$. To think, i'm only 18.
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WoW, so proud of being an 18 year old freshman!! I bet your parents are proud of you for finally getting there!!
Hell, when I was 18, I was out of school, living on my own and attending college.
And one thing that you might find important later in life.... being 18 only makes you a legal adult. The fact that you don't accept authority and apparently feel it is your right to challenge things that your teachers say and do, will probably bode poorly for your future. Therefore, I have a suggestion...learn to say, very clearly, "Would you like fries with that?'
Hell, when I was 18, I was out of school, living on my own and attending college.
And one thing that you might find important later in life.... being 18 only makes you a legal adult. The fact that you don't accept authority and apparently feel it is your right to challenge things that your teachers say and do, will probably bode poorly for your future. Therefore, I have a suggestion...learn to say, very clearly, "Would you like fries with that?'
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yomama
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Exactly...
He is only 18 so you shouldn't let him get to you so much. I am absolutely positive that this young man feels the way he does because of years of attending school where the students are not treated like human beings and the teachers and/or administration are 'always right.' I, myself, was an 'A' student, always did my homework, blah, blah, blah. In other words, I had no problems in school whatsoever. Of course, I had these same dreams for my own children. Well, it hasn't quite worked out that way because they both have ADD and it's just not that easy for these kids as far as school is concerned. I have been absolutely appalled at what the schools can do and/or say and get away with! My son's self-esteem has gone for a nice ride with the toilet plunger since we moved to Texas schools. He was told by the ass't principal last year in 6th grade that he had a 'disease' and needed help when all that was going on is that he had ADD (and we didn't know it) and he was acting out out of frustration. I could go on and on but I won't. It's just ridiculous how they treat our children sometimes. I could easily write a book.
You'll like this one, JETX, since you think I make-up stuff: I went to my son's school today to take him a lunch (they're doing TAKS tests all day and I wanted him to eat something HEALTHY.) While there, I saw a lady giving her son a lunch and her son's arm was in a cast and it extended out to two of his fingers. I asked what happened...she said it happened at school. TWO boys jumped him in the hall and they started fighting. Her son got some broken bones. HE couldn't go on the 7th grade field trip which was the next day and got THREE days of on-campus-suspension. The other two boys who jumped him - got nothing!!! Absolutely nothing. They went on the field trip (I was there as a chaperone and saw them) and they didn't so much as get a detention. You wanna know why? Well, I'm guessing it's because their dads are professional baseball players that everyone knows and loves so these little darlings can get away with anything. Now, is that fair? What kind of message is this sending to our children? Oh, but giving my son TEN days of OCS is reasonable for flipping the bird out in the hallway as he's walking away? I haven't even told you the reasons leading up to him flipping the bird but he had plenty of reason to be angry - he just didn't deal with that anger properly. I don't want to re-hash that I'm downplaying the situation, ok? Anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts on this one. Needless to say, she did NOT have her son serve a darn minute of this suspension (she kept him home) and she has filed a grievance against the two clowns (prin. and ass't prin.) that run our school. It's unbelievable what they do.
I'll tell you one more quick story and I'll end. My son got written up to go to Saturday School because he was late to class. My husband called the school and asked them if there was something else that could be done, i.e. after-school detention, because our son is a competitive soccer player and he had a game on Saturday. They said, "No." So my husband said, "Well,
he probably won't be there on Saturday so you'll know in advance." And the ass't principal told my husband, "Well, we'll just turn it over to the police and you'll be arrested for truancy!!"
Give me a break! My brother's a cop and he thought that was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard.
So, my point of all of this is that Kingkerry has probably put up with so much stuff at his school that he has been pushed to the point of feeling rebellious against them. I'm not saying it is right - I'm saying that I could certainly understand how it could happen. You have to treat children with respect also. How else are they ever going to learn it?
He is only 18 so you shouldn't let him get to you so much. I am absolutely positive that this young man feels the way he does because of years of attending school where the students are not treated like human beings and the teachers and/or administration are 'always right.' I, myself, was an 'A' student, always did my homework, blah, blah, blah. In other words, I had no problems in school whatsoever. Of course, I had these same dreams for my own children. Well, it hasn't quite worked out that way because they both have ADD and it's just not that easy for these kids as far as school is concerned. I have been absolutely appalled at what the schools can do and/or say and get away with! My son's self-esteem has gone for a nice ride with the toilet plunger since we moved to Texas schools. He was told by the ass't principal last year in 6th grade that he had a 'disease' and needed help when all that was going on is that he had ADD (and we didn't know it) and he was acting out out of frustration. I could go on and on but I won't. It's just ridiculous how they treat our children sometimes. I could easily write a book.
You'll like this one, JETX, since you think I make-up stuff: I went to my son's school today to take him a lunch (they're doing TAKS tests all day and I wanted him to eat something HEALTHY.) While there, I saw a lady giving her son a lunch and her son's arm was in a cast and it extended out to two of his fingers. I asked what happened...she said it happened at school. TWO boys jumped him in the hall and they started fighting. Her son got some broken bones. HE couldn't go on the 7th grade field trip which was the next day and got THREE days of on-campus-suspension. The other two boys who jumped him - got nothing!!! Absolutely nothing. They went on the field trip (I was there as a chaperone and saw them) and they didn't so much as get a detention. You wanna know why? Well, I'm guessing it's because their dads are professional baseball players that everyone knows and loves so these little darlings can get away with anything. Now, is that fair? What kind of message is this sending to our children? Oh, but giving my son TEN days of OCS is reasonable for flipping the bird out in the hallway as he's walking away? I haven't even told you the reasons leading up to him flipping the bird but he had plenty of reason to be angry - he just didn't deal with that anger properly. I don't want to re-hash that I'm downplaying the situation, ok? Anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts on this one. Needless to say, she did NOT have her son serve a darn minute of this suspension (she kept him home) and she has filed a grievance against the two clowns (prin. and ass't prin.) that run our school. It's unbelievable what they do.
I'll tell you one more quick story and I'll end. My son got written up to go to Saturday School because he was late to class. My husband called the school and asked them if there was something else that could be done, i.e. after-school detention, because our son is a competitive soccer player and he had a game on Saturday. They said, "No." So my husband said, "Well,
he probably won't be there on Saturday so you'll know in advance." And the ass't principal told my husband, "Well, we'll just turn it over to the police and you'll be arrested for truancy!!"
Give me a break! My brother's a cop and he thought that was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard.
So, my point of all of this is that Kingkerry has probably put up with so much stuff at his school that he has been pushed to the point of feeling rebellious against them. I'm not saying it is right - I'm saying that I could certainly understand how it could happen. You have to treat children with respect also. How else are they ever going to learn it?
No,
i'm terribly sorry, but that is not my future job. I am very intelligent. As a matter of fact all I need is a GED and a game called Age of Mythology(r). Once I have suceed in getting the game and score a 1800+ rating, i'll be offered a job for 13 - 15 an hr. Quite possibly moving to QA testing for 30 an hr. If I do not suceed in getting the job I will countiune to work on the Entertainment and Games Network. http://egn.soapi.com/index2.html. Also, if I need money my step grandparents are millionaires, so it's really none of your concern. I have many backup plans and just because your a teacher and that you "moved out" at a young age doesn't mean anything. It was actually stupid of you to move out so young, because you could of saved up your money. Now it's too late for you.
i'm terribly sorry, but that is not my future job. I am very intelligent. As a matter of fact all I need is a GED and a game called Age of Mythology(r). Once I have suceed in getting the game and score a 1800+ rating, i'll be offered a job for 13 - 15 an hr. Quite possibly moving to QA testing for 30 an hr. If I do not suceed in getting the job I will countiune to work on the Entertainment and Games Network. http://egn.soapi.com/index2.html. Also, if I need money my step grandparents are millionaires, so it's really none of your concern. I have many backup plans and just because your a teacher and that you "moved out" at a young age doesn't mean anything. It was actually stupid of you to move out so young, because you could of saved up your money. Now it's too late for you.
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