Why does US not enforce immigration laws

[Proserpina]

Ah, Pro, memories of the Black Knight.

I'm sayin' nuffin'.

 

[ecmst12]

Smith and Wesson are responsible for all the people killed by their guns

Ford is responsible for all the people killed by their cars

and Dairy Queen is responsible for all the obese people as a result of their ice cream.

This is essentially what you are saying by claiming it's the government's fault for having immigration laws because YOU chose to use them to sponsor someone and now regret that decision. It's not anyone else's fault that you married this woman and signed the papers.

 

[commentator]

The "anchor baby" was never able to confer legal status to their parents until 21. If some parents imagined that would happen it doesn't mean that was ever the law. Original concept" does not mean that was the law. So there are still anchor babies.

Your comment about services only serves to validate your ignorance. You seew dearie, there's a difference between those who "volunteer" and those who have worked in a field their whole life thus far.

Then you aren't very old. I've worked in social services a long time, many different kinds of social services, in several places, and there aren't many that do not require proof of citizenship and do quite a bit of verification. If you're talking about all the benefits and services your wife has received, it's because of you, not because the programs serve illegals. She's not illegal, you made her legal.

 

[fosterjoseph]

Besides that this chick is not illegal, OP sponsored her, so anything she does with her green card is his fault. But you'd think he'd be in FAVOR of her going to school so she can make a living, since he's obligated to support her pretty much forever if she can't. Sorry that you married the wrong person, doesn't make it the government's fault. It's actually YOUR fault for making her legal!

"Anything she does with her green card is his fault" - Oh, so I am responsible for her shoplifting, I am responsible for her student aid fraud, I am responsible for her other illegal acts. Well, thanks for clarifying that for me I'll be sure to turn myself in first thing in the morning. LOGIC - what a concept!!

 

[fosterjoseph]

Then you aren't very old. I've worked in social services a long time, many different kinds of social services, in several places, and there aren't many that do not require proof of citizenship and do quite a bit of verification. If you're talking about all the benefits and services your wife has received, it's because of you, not because the programs serve illegals. She's not illegal, you made her legal.

where exactly was it I said she was illegal? I stated she committed illegal acts which the government should prosecute according to their immigration laws. The original question (in case you'd like to go back and read it) was "Why does US not enforce immigration laws". With the exception of the first reply all I have gotten were arguments which tend to make me believe that these people don't believe the government should enforce their laws, at least as far as immigration goes. Nor did I say anything about my ex receiving services. Amazing how the people fail to address the original question and instead start in with their own tirades against those with a different view.

 

[Proserpina]

where exactly was it I said she was illegal? I stated she committed illegal acts which the government should prosecute according to their immigration laws. The original question (in case you'd like to go back and read it) was "Why does US not enforce immigration laws". With the exception of the first reply all I have gotten were arguments which tend to make me believe that these people don't believe the government should enforce their laws, at least as far as immigration goes. Nor did I say anything about my ex receiving services. Amazing how the people fail to address the original question and instead start in with their own tirades against those with a different view.

Are we there yet?

 

[fosterjoseph]

This is essentially what you are saying by claiming it's the government's fault for having immigration laws because YOU chose to use them to sponsor someone and now regret that decision. It's not anyone else's fault that you married this woman and signed the papers.

Once again, maybe slower this time. The question was regarding a person who is deportable by United States immigration laws. Not whether or not I should or shouldn't have sponsored them. Please stay on topic.

 

[Proserpina]

Once again, maybe slower this time. The question was regarding a person who is deportable by United States immigration laws. Not whether or not I should or shouldn't have sponsored them. Please stay on topic.

You're asking what is basically a rhetorical question.

Good luck with that.

 

[ecmst12]

Well, she wouldn't be here if it weren't for you.

I don't think the immigration laws actually allow for deporting someone with a permanent green card for shoplifting. Pro, am I wrong?

 

[fosterjoseph]

There is also a big difference between someone whose ex not only had a permanent green card but if I understood your first post correctly was granted citizenship in 2010. You are trying to get someone deported who is now a US citizen. Whatever bitterness you still feel from your marriage and divorce is something that you need to let go. Its not healthy for anyone.

Please go back and read the question again. Nowhere did I say she was a citizen. She is not, she is still a LPR and will most likely be denied renewal when it comes up as she has already been denied citizenship prior to the last three theft charges.. As far as your Dr. Phil comment about "its not healthy" the question remains why the US government does not prosecute criminal LPRs.

I am all for allowing others in this country to obtain legal status. All I am saying is that we should focus on those to whom we have given the opportunity and they have abused it before adding to their numbers.

 

[Proserpina]

Well, she wouldn't be here if it weren't for you.

I don't think the immigration laws actually allow for deporting someone with a permanent green card for shoplifting. Pro, am I wrong?

Simple shoplifting generally won't be enough to trigger deportation proceedings, no.


To clarify for the OP though:

Once you're a permanent resident, you're a permanent resident. As in, permanent. The actual CARD may need to be renewed periodically, but your status is firm.

(deportation proceedings notwithstanding )

 

[ecmst12]

A more appropriate rhetorical question would be, why to citizens sign sponsorship papers without really understanding what it obligates them to?

 

[fosterjoseph]

Well, she wouldn't be here if it weren't for you.

I don't think the immigration laws actually allow for deporting someone with a permanent green card for shoplifting. Pro, am I wrong?

Your comment illustrates incredibly why you should not even be attempting to answer this question. Shoplifting is considered a "crime of moral turpitude". One such crime with less than a year "possible sentence" is able to be waived through the "petty offense waiver". Multiple (more than one) such crimes are not waivable. Ofcourse the laws of each state must be examined to ensure that the shoplifting (theft) is a "crime of moral turpitude" as they are not considered such in each state. In the statews I am referring to they are.

And as far as "she wouldn't be here if..." I learned a long time ago that we are responsible for our own actions. Ironically your comment makes me consider whether, in fact, you may be related to her as that was a constant lament that "you made me do it". Quite a feat considering the distance between us when the illegal acts were initiated.

 

[fosterjoseph]

A more appropriate rhetorical question would be, why to citizens sign sponsorship papers without really understanding what it obligates them to?

Again, I have no misunderstanding as to the obligations of one who signs the papers. I really don't know where you even came up with that. The question is why the US does not fulfill their obligations to uphold the law.

 

[ecmst12]

I wouldn't call shoplifting a crime of moral turpitude. She's not going to be deported for it. Even if you offered to pay for the cost of the deportation proceedings out of your own pocket.

I'm sorry you made a bad decision that you now regret. Wanting the government to clean up your mess though, shows a lack of personal responsibility. I bet you're paying her alimony and/or child support, too, that's the only reason you could be so bitter about it all.