Can a Teacher Quit and Get Unemployment?

[lightingbird]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Missouri

This teacher works for the XXX country school district. She has been a teacher for three years. The problem she is having is towards her principal. She is apparently putting a lot of extra work on her and not being fair about something. I don't know the small details. Although, the main concern is that the principal is doing a favor of one of her friends. She has hired her friend’s son as a teacher in the school. He has a degree but is not certified. Apparently the school district is supposed to only hire teachers that have degrees and are certified school teachers. He does not have a classroom and does not work. Apparently, he needed a job since he just bought a new house. His mother is a former principal fired and currently a special education teacher in the same school. So he is basically just getting paid but has no job function or helps anyone. Well the teacher in question has 27 kids in her room as of yesterday. The limit is 23 per teacher. While this uncertified person runs around the school talking on his mobile phone and doing nothing. The teacher is considering quitting.

Anyone know if she would be able to get her pension and unemployment based on this? Any recommendations?

 

[TinkerBelleLuvr]

Rule #1

Life is not fair; get over it

Rule #2
Quitting without a good reason = no unemployment

And "the principal isn't playing fair" (in a very whiny voice) will NOT be considered a "good reason"

 

[lightingbird]

She already spoke to a District rep who is going to investigate the uncertifed teacher I was just informed. Why would you respond and you don't seem to know what you are talking about? Not trying to be rude. As you were clearly. I just don't understand why you even responded?

Whiny voice?

Ha wow.

 

[Isis1]

no, the quitting teacher will NOT be able to qualify for unemployment.

 

[cbg]

When you quit, you don't get unemployment. That goes for teachers, too. Teachers have no special rights that employees in other fields do not get.

The fact that the District Rep is investigating has nothing whatsoever to do with whether she can quit and get unemployment. She can't.

Life isn't fair.

 

[PrinceCharming]

Actually, my coworker is a teacher. He quit, and he is collecting unemployment. It may be that if you use the large class size excuse you may be eligible.

 

[Perky]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Missouri

This teacher works for the XXX country school district. She has been a teacher for three years. The problem she is having is towards her principal. She is apparently putting a lot of extra work on her and not being fair about something. I don't know the small details.

This is why it is preferred that your friend posts her own questions.

Although, the main concern is that the principal is doing a favor of one of her friends. She has hired her friend’s son as a teacher in the school. He has a degree but is not certified. Apparently the school district is supposed to only hire teachers that have degrees and are certified school teachers. He does not have a classroom and does not work.

If he isn't working as a teacher, then what's the problem? He doesn't need certification if he isn't employed as a teacher.

Apparently, he needed a job since he just bought a new house. His mother is a former principal fired and currently a special education teacher in the same school. So he is basically just getting paid but has no job function or helps anyone.

And the district has the right to hire whomever they wish for whatever job they wish as long as it doesn't violate state law or a collective bargaining agreement.

Well the teacher in question has 27 kids in her room as of yesterday. The limit is 23 per teacher. While this uncertified person runs around the school talking on his mobile phone and doing nothing. The teacher is considering quitting.

Are you sure about that number? That must be a contractual number because I believe the state limit is higher. If it's a contractual number, then I'll bet there is additional language in the contract regarding class size.

Anyone know if she would be able to get her pension and unemployment based on this? Any recommendations?

I agree that's it's highly doubtful she'll get unemployment based on the reasons stated. If she wants to find out about her pension benefits, she can contact these people:

Welcome to the PSRS/PEERS Web site!

 

[lightingbird]

The problem is that person is filling a slot that blocks an actual certified teacher to fill. Thus, all the teachers get too many students. While this guy apparently runs around getting paid for nothing. The district did not know the entire situation until today and apparently are looking into this next week. Regarding the number, I'm pretty sure thats right. She advised me and I made some calls to some actual princpals in the city. I don't like to assume. Thats why I have been coming to this forum for years posting up questions for others that I help as a therapist. There has never been a person with problems should post rule. Stop making up nonsense. If you READ, it clearly says this problem is about someone else. I go to a lot of different forums but never really understood why so many people try to be rude here. Amazing. Thats why I post on several forums with the same questions. To increase my chance of getting the correct information. Even getting lucky to actually speak to an attorney on here or someone in the law field. Not just people who just snap some rude nonsense and have no idea what the heck they are talking about. Assuming like crazy.

Either way, As Prince just said, I just found out that she can indeed get unemployment for this. As long as she makes contact with her supervisior regarding this issue and over her if needs so and keeps a log or some sort of proof.

All the rudeness and assumptive "no's" for nothing. Thanks again anyway, I'm sure I'll be posting again something in the future.

 

[Perky]

The problem is that person is filling a slot that blocks an actual certified teacher to fill. Thus, all the teachers get too many students. While this guy apparently runs around getting paid for nothing. The district did not know the entire situation until today and apparently are looking into this next week. Regarding the number, I'm pretty sure thats right. She advised me and I made some calls to some actual princpals in the city. I don't like to assume.

I don't either, so I looked it up on the Missouri DOE website. Twenty three was not listed as a class size limit for any level. Hence, my question about the contract. However, if you're so sure about your facts, forget it.

Thats why I have been coming to this forum for years posting up questions for others that I help as a therapist. There has never been a person with problems should post rule.

Please note that I never said there was a RULE. If you'll reread, you'll find that I said, "it is preferred," and for the most part, I believe it is.

Stop making up nonsense.

What the heck are you referring to??????

If you READ, it clearly says this problem is about someone else.

And here??????????

I go to a lot of different forums but never really understood why so many people try to be rude here.

How was I rude to you? Really?

Amazing. Thats why I post on several forums with the same questions. To increase my chance of getting the correct information. Even getting lucky to actually speak to an attorney on here or someone in the law field. Not just people who just snap some rude nonsense and have no idea what the heck they are talking about. Assuming like crazy.

Either way, As Prince just said, I just found out that she can indeed get unemployment for this. As long as she makes contact with her supervisior regarding this issue and over her if needs so and keeps a log or some sort of proof.

I hope your information didn't come from the union or the district. They can suggest ways to improve the chances of qualifying, but they can't guarantee that she WILL get unemployment. Also, if her class size is still within the state limit, that will probably diminish her chances.

All the rudeness and assumptive "no's" for nothing. Thanks again anyway, I'm sure I'll be posting again something in the future.

All the rudeness?? You're pretty darned sensitive. Why would you bother to post here again?

 

[lightingbird]

Perroloco2,

Why would I come back? I've been coming to this forum reading and posting for many years. Looks like you have been here only a little past a year spamming posts. So yes, I will be posting more. Ha its not my fault this is the only forum you post on.

What is with you and the classroom count? Perhaps I was not clear that the district rep advised her that she was past her limit. Part of the investigation that is going on with the school next week is why she has too many students. Her principal just as of yesterday, is trying to put the uncertified teacher to work with the excessive students or help in some way. This is coming 100% from actual educators. Are you a lawyer, teacher, or some sort of educational expert? Even if at best you are a teacher. It does not mean your assumptions automatically are correct. You flat out have no idea what you are talking about. Haha its comical that you keep holding on to some idea that there is no class limit. It would make sense if you work in the field or in that district in some medium. Although if you are flat out arguing an assumption Haha.

Regarding the unemployment. Its all based on decision of the missouri unemployment board. If she was tenured it would almost be automatic. Where am I getting my information? Local princpals in the area and an actual employee at the unemployment division of missouri.

Seriously, stop assuming. It helps noone. If you don't know just say you don't know or don't respond. I have the answer now. She was just frustrated and I think she will be ok now.

 

[PrinceCharming]

Bottom line is that your friend can collect unemployment if he quits with "good reason".

The law doesn't define "good reason"

A good reason may be that the job description has changed and that you are not able to fulfill the new job fuctions.

This reason is good even if the law allows 100 kids in the class.

If during the last 5 years you never had more than 23 kids, and now you have 27 kids, your job responsibilities have changed, you are unable to fulfill the new responsibilities and you may be able to collect unemployment.

There is one major difference between quiting and getting fired.

If you quit, the burden of proof is on you.

If you get fired, the burden of proof is on your job.

good luck

 

[mlane58]

The law doesn't define "good reason"

That differs from state to state and they do define it.

A good reason may be that the job description has changed and that you are not able to fulfill the new job fuctions.

Wrong! not even close

This reason is good even if the law allows 100 kids in the class.

Wrong again

If during the last 5 years you never had more than 23 kids, and now you have 27 kids, your job responsibilities have changed, you are unable to fulfill the new responsibilities and you may be able to collect unemployment.

Unbelievably wrong. No state unemployment board would even consider that

There is one major difference between quiting and getting fired.

Duh!

If you quit, the burden of proof is on you.

If you get fired, the burden of proof is on your job.

The burden is always on the employer.

Quit giving advice when you don't even know what you are talking about. IDIOT!

 

[Perky]

Perroloco2,

Why would I come back? I've been coming to this forum reading and posting for many years. Looks like you have been here only a little past a year spamming posts. So yes, I will be posting more. Ha its not my fault this is the only forum you post on.

Spamming posts? Wow. I asked legitimate questions in an effort to help answer some of your questions. I directed you to the site that can answer your pension question. Spamming. Huh.

I'm curious about the bolded part. What in Hades does that mean? How do you know I don't post on other forums? Why would that be an issue anyway?

What is with you and the classroom count? Perhaps I was not clear that the district rep advised her that she was past her limit. Part of the investigation that is going on with the school next week is why she has too many students. Her principal just as of yesterday, is trying to put the uncertified teacher to work with the excessive students or help in some way. This is coming 100% from actual educators. Are you a lawyer, teacher, or some sort of educational expert? Even if at best you are a teacher. It does not mean your assumptions automatically are correct. You flat out have no idea what you are talking about. Haha its comical that you keep holding on to some idea that there is no class limit. It would make sense if you work in the field or in that district in some medium. Although if you are flat out arguing an assumption Haha.

What kind of therapist are you?

I am a teacher who has experience in education law and contracts. I have lots of experience with teacher unions.

However, you seem to have the answers you want from the 'district rep', so I'll refrain from trying to help your friend. Good luck to her.

Again, I have to ask, what kind of therapist are you? I know quite a few people in the mental health field, and none of them would engage the way you do.

Regarding the unemployment. Its all based on decision of the missouri unemployment board. If she was tenured it would almost be automatic.

Okay, now I will be rude. THAT STATEMENT IS ASSININE!!!!

Where am I getting my information? Local princpals in the area and an actual employee at the unemployment division of missouri.

Seriously, stop assuming. It helps noone. If you don't know just say you don't know or don't respond. I have the answer now. She was just frustrated and I think she will be ok now.

I have my doubts.

 

[Perky]

That differs from state to state and they do define it.

Wrong! not even close

Wrong again

Unbelievably wrong. No state unemployment board would even consider that

Duh!

The burden is always on the employer.

Quit giving advice when you don't even know what you are talking about. IDIOT!

Amen to this!

 

[PrinceCharming]

you both need to learn not to be a bunch of grumps