Smoking Ban

[Alex23]

Non-smoker here. But I still think smoking outside does not cause the same amount of odor as sitting around marinating in smoke for a couple of hours.

So they smell like half an ashtray. It's still stinks.

 

[JustAPal00]

Some of us like to be able to go out to bars and nightclubs without coming home smelling like an ashtray.

More importantly, it's a serious hazard to all the bartenders and waitresses who are in those bars and nightclubs for 40 hours a week or more. Yes, lots of them smoke, but plenty don't, and I've seen studies that showed a higher risk of cancer EVEN FOR THE SMOKERS who work in a secondhand smoke heavy environment compared with other smokers who don't. (sadly, I no longer have the citation for this though, it was a while ago) The public health aspect was more convincing to me then the personal comfort aspect.

I totally understand your point. As a non smoker it is nice to not smell it. You have a choice of what to do and where to go on a night out. The employees have a choice of where they want to work. I have a problem with the only person not having a choice being the one who has to pay all the bills.

From a health standpoint, let's ban all fattening foods, liquor, all tobacco products, fast cars, motorcycles, sports, and most non essential travel. Then we can all be safe!

 

[JustAPal00]

To add to my last post, I don't like looking at large women dressed in tight clothes so let's ban that. I also find other peoples loud music annoying so we should ban that also. I don't like hunting so it too should be banned. Not liking the smell of something is no reason to ban it from private property. If it's the health issues, then let's make everything unhealthy illegal!

 

[ecmst12]

If you are a bartender by trade, and there is not a smoking ban in effect in the city or state where you live, it is likely that you have very little choice to find work in a non-smoking establishment, there just aren't that many out there. I don't want to ban smoking itself, or any other risky/dangerous substances/behaviors. I'm actually a supporter of legalization/decriminalization of most illegal drugs. If the only person you're hurting is yourself, then I think you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want. I only think smoking should be banned where it significantly impacts the HEALTH (not just comfort) of anyone other then the person actually smoking at that very moment. Casual exposure to secondhand smoke doesn't significantly impact anyone's health, but regular, long term exposure to high levels of it definitely does. And honestly, having to step outside the door to light up is a MINOR inconvenience, in the grand scheme of things. No one is controlling when, how much, how often one can smoke, nor what brand/type of cigarrettes. No one is banning SMOKERS from their businesses. The inconvenience is very small compared to the potential benefits to public health, so in this case, I support the regulation.

 

[JustAPal00]

If you are a bartender by trade, and there is not a smoking ban in effect in the city or state where you live, it is likely that you have very little choice to find work in a non-smoking establishment, there just aren't that many out there. I don't want to ban smoking itself, or any other risky/dangerous substances/behaviors. I'm actually a supporter of legalization/decriminalization of most illegal drugs. If the only person you're hurting is yourself, then I think you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want. I only think smoking should be banned where it significantly impacts the HEALTH (not just comfort) of anyone other then the person actually smoking at that very moment. Casual exposure to secondhand smoke doesn't significantly impact anyone's health, but regular, long term exposure to high levels of it definitely does. And honestly, having to step outside the door to light up is a MINOR inconvenience, in the grand scheme of things. No one is controlling when, how much, how often one can smoke, nor what brand/type of cigarrettes. No one is banning SMOKERS from their businesses. The inconvenience is very small compared to the potential benefits to public health, so in this case, I support the regulation.

As a full time bartender for many years, and still a part timer I made the choice to go into that industry. I also worked on a salmon boat in Alaska and used to repo cars. Both jobs that can be hazzardous to your health. Are we going to force those industries to eliminate the dangerous parts of their jobs? Let the business owner decide what kind of business they want to opperate, and then let the employees and customers decide what they want to do!

 

[pmorrison2588]

Yes you definitely have a case. You can sue them. Whatever they are doing is against human rights.

 

[frustratdfarmer]

To add to my last post, I don't like looking at large women dressed in tight clothes so let's ban that. I also find other peoples loud music annoying so we should ban that also. I don't like hunting so it too should be banned. Not liking the smell of something is no reason to ban it from private property. If it's the health issues, then let's make everything unhealthy illegal!

Just had to comment, spandex REALLY should come with a legal load limit, and at least 90% of the people wearing it currently exceed it

As for not liking hunting, come visit my farm for a week, watch all the deer eating all the crops and see it as $$$ leaving your pocket and you'll change your mind BTW, all animals harvested from our property are used for consumption.


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[JustAPal00]

Just had to comment, spandex REALLY should come with a legal load limit, and at least 90% of the people wearing it currently exceed it

As for not liking hunting, come visit my farm for a week, watch all the deer eating all the crops and see it as $$$ leaving your pocket and you'll change your mind BTW, all animals harvested from our property are used for consumption.


ff

My point was that we keep passing laws against things that people don't like, even though they really are none of the governments business. If you're the owner of a business, you should be able to decide what takes place there as long as it's legal. As for hunting, I do understand the need, Id rather have them on your table then my hood!

 

[cbg]

From a health standpoint, let's ban all fattening foods, liquor, all tobacco products, fast cars, motorcycles, sports, and most non essential travel. Then we can all be safe!

Let's keep in mind that the laws are passed to protect other people. If you smoke in my presence, you are forcing me to "smoke" as well. If you want to smoke in your own home, fine, go to it. I don't care. But you do not have the right to inflict second hand smoke on me.

If I enter your home, knowing that you are a smoker, that is a choice that I make. But the bartenders and the waiters and the waitresses and the busboys, etc., should not have to choose between their health and their job. Why do you think domestic air travel is now smoke free?

The ban is not to protect you. It's to protect the people you are affecting.

 

[Country Living]

My point was that we keep passing laws against things that people don't like, even though they really are none of the governments business. If you're the owner of a business, you should be able to decide what takes place there as long as it's legal.

This is my spouse's position - one does not have to patronize the establishment.

Let's keep in mind that the laws are passed to protect other people. If you smoke in my presence, you are forcing me to "smoke" as well. If you want to smoke in your own home, fine, go to it. I don't care. But you do not have the right to inflict second hand smoke on me.

If I enter your home, knowing that you are a smoker, that is a choice that I make. But the bartenders and the waiters and the waitresses and the busboys, etc., should not have to choose between their health and their job. Why do you think domestic air travel is now smoke free?

The ban is not to protect you. It's to protect the people you are affecting.

This is my position. As adults, we decide. I hate seeing children in the smoked-in room. They can't make healthy decisions. I go out of my way to avoid businesses where people can smoke or there is a "smoking room". Inevitably the waitress who serves the smoke area would also serve me. I can't breathe with the smoke cloud emanating from him/her. We have agreed to disagree.

 

[Country Living]

As for not liking hunting, come visit my farm for a week, watch all the deer eating all the crops and see it as $$$ leaving your pocket and you'll change your mind BTW, all animals harvested from our property are used for consumption.

ff

Don't forget the damage from feral hogs. Unfortunately, they breed year-round and have large litters. Killing one does little to make a dent in the population.

 

[JustAPal00]

Let's keep in mind that the laws are passed to protect other people. If you smoke in my presence, you are forcing me to "smoke" as well. If you want to smoke in your own home, fine, go to it. I don't care. But you do not have the right to inflict second hand smoke on me.

If I enter your home, knowing that you are a smoker, that is a choice that I make. But the bartenders and the waiters and the waitresses and the busboys, etc., should not have to choose between their health and their job. Why do you think domestic air travel is now smoke free?

The ban is not to protect you. It's to protect the people you are affecting.

The point you're missing is that the employees made a choice to work there and in that industry for that matter. Everyone has a choice except the owner of the business which is on private property!

 

[cbg]

Yeah, in an economy like this people really have a choice about which jobs they take.

You know something? We have a whole lot of smoking bans in public places up here in liberal MA; and not a single business owner has gone out of business because of it. Yeah, there was a lot of shouting at first, but now no one thinks anything of it. They're so used to it now that it's taken for granted.

Horrors! People might actually have to wait an hour for their nicotine fix!

 

[>Charlotte<]

Everyone has a choice except the owner of the business which is on private property!

The business is on private property, but it is still subject to a lot of government regulations, for very good reasons.

I'm a smoker, and I absolutely agree with the smoking ban. If I can't go for however long a meal takes without a cigarette, I'm free to choose staying at home.

 

[Ultranothing]

Non-smoker here. But I still think smoking outside does not cause the same amount of odor as sitting around marinating in smoke for a couple of hours.

I dunno, man - the outside of the office I work at smells disgust[/Iing].