Lost Motion for temp orders- what now?

[Ohiogal]

Wow. In Seattle, a parent can place their child in the public school of their choice, unless it is already overcrowded by kids within the neighborhood. Even then, a parent can petition (and usually wins) for reasons just like this one.

Law or no law, this is becoming so common place, I doubt a judge would look at it as a serious offense, especially seeing that judges tend to rule in favor of disrupting a child's life as little as possible.

The schools take it seriously due to budgetary concerns and the money that is being STOLEN from proper residences. Getting a variance is one thing. Enrolling under fraudulent circumstances is another. I posted the law in Utah -- the state that this poster said she was in and that has jurisdiction. Parents can be prosecuted for fraudulently enrolling their child in a public school.

And the state has a reporting form set up:
Fraud, Waste, and Abuse Reporting

Fraud, Waste, and Abuse Reporting

The inappropriate use of taxpayer dollars and public property hurts us all. It is particularly harmful to Utah's children when it deprives them of scarce instructional dollars. If you know, or suspect, that educational resources are being stolen, wasted, or misused, please take a moment and report it. You may be contacted in certain cases where additional information that only you may be able to provide is needed. Thank you for your interest in saving taxpayer dollars.

So quite frankly if LD finds out this user's real name or contact information, she would either be complicit in continuing to allow the theft of tax payer dollars OR she would have to report her. No attorney-client confidentiality.

 

[CourtClerk]

Both of you pick up your marbles and go home.

OG, a very famous person once said, when a person shows you who they are the first time, believe them.

Why it took you so long to figure out what you now know is beyond me, but that's for a private conversation I guess.

 

[profmum]

Prepare for grandma and dad or their attorney(s) to then use your testimony in a criminal complaint to the prosecutor and for you to face criminal proceedings possibly as well as be solely responsible for paying the costs of educating your child in grandma's school district. You can't have it both ways> Either the child lived with grandma and was legally enrolled, or you illegally enrolled your child and can face criminal penalties.

Not to state the obvious, but Grandma and Dad also comitted fraud by allowing Grandma's address to be used for school purposes. So OP, Grandma and Dad all illegally enrolled the child and can face any penalities which may end up being no more than having the child disenrolled from the school.

 

[aubreyz]

Yes, I realize that I am in WA and the poster is from UT, and different laws apply. However, I know families in both California and Colorado whom the judges have sided with in similar cases, and the parents were simply admonished to go through a formal appeals process. (Thus my reasoning for posting--things everywhere are changing.)

I would think one thing if the state had a reporting system specifically set up for children in the wrong school district, and not fraud in general. I tend to think that lenience has been granted in the cases I know of because the parents were not defrauding the school district to line their own pockets, but to cause as little disruption as possible to a child who is already disrupted in the throws of her parents' custody battle.

For the record, I didn't say that I thought one side or the other was right.

 

[wileybunch]

OP, if you have documentation that shows DD was in fact living with you during the time she was enrolled in school with gma's address so she could attend the school in gma's area, bring it forward. Why was that not done already? The family court is not looking for, interested in, or able to prosecute you for using gma's address to enroll her in school.

 

[soccer<3mom]

Not while he has temporary custody.

Please turn on your private messaging. Upper right hand corner of the page, once you get there click on "enable private messaging".

I will turn it on. thanx.

And of course I will not give up.

 

[soccer<3mom]

The schools take it seriously due to budgetary concerns and the money that is being STOLEN from proper residences. Getting a variance is one thing. Enrolling under fraudulent circumstances is another. I posted the law in Utah -- the state that this poster said she was in and that has jurisdiction. Parents can be prosecuted for fraudulently enrolling their child in a public school.

And the state has a reporting form set up:
Fraud, Waste, and Abuse Reporting



So quite frankly if LD finds out this user's real name or contact information, she would either be complicit in continuing to allow the theft of tax payer dollars OR she would have to report her. No attorney-client confidentiality.

Are you implying that I wanted/knew to take advantage of 'the system'?! whoa.

 

[soccer<3mom]

Not to state the obvious, but Grandma and Dad also comitted fraud by allowing Grandma's address to be used for school purposes. So OP, Grandma and Dad all illegally enrolled the child and can face any penalities which may end up being no more than having the child disenrolled from the school.

Thank you. they both knew we were only using the address to keep her in the same school.

(maybe some of you remember from old thread or a couple pgs back- We all lived at that address, I then moved out to a different apartment # in same complex, when father left out of state for an 'unemployment opportunity' (*cough*BS). It has been 3 yrs since I've lived at that address. Father was back in 07- moved in to those apartments this March, convenient. Never switched her address when he lived a few blocks away from 2007 to March 09...(since he claims my child has lived with him since he got back..)

 

[wileybunch]

Thank you. they both knew we were only using the address to keep her in the same school.

(maybe some of you remember from old thread or a couple pgs back- We all lived at that address, I then moved out to a different apartment # in same complex, when father left out of state for an 'unemployment opportunity' (*cough*BS). It has been 3 yrs since I've lived at that address. Father was back in 07- moved in to those apartments this March, convenient. Never switched her address when he lived a few blocks away from 2007 to March 09...(since he claims my child has lived with him since he got back..)

What address is on her medical records?

 

[Ohiogal]

Thank you. they both knew we were only using the address to keep her in the same school.

(maybe some of you remember from old thread or a couple pgs back- We all lived at that address, I then moved out to a different apartment # in same complex, when father left out of state for an 'unemployment opportunity' (*cough*BS). It has been 3 yrs since I've lived at that address. Father was back in 07- moved in to those apartments this March, convenient. Never switched her address when he lived a few blocks away from 2007 to March 09...(since he claims my child has lived with him since he got back..)

YOU knew you were defrauding the system. YOU knew your daughter did NOT live at the address that she is using for school purposes.

As for this:

Not to state the obvious, but Grandma and Dad also comitted fraud by allowing Grandma's address to be used for school purposes. So OP, Grandma and Dad all illegally enrolled the child and can face any penalities which may end up being no more than having the child disenrolled from the school.

OP is apparently the only one with legal custody and the only one allowed to make legal decisions regarding education, medical and what not. She is responsible for the choices she makes regarding education. She made a decision regarding education that falls outside the law. SHE bears the brunt of said decision.

 

[Ohiogal]

Yes, I realize that I am in WA and the poster is from UT, and different laws apply. However, I know families in both California and Colorado whom the judges have sided with in similar cases, and the parents were simply admonished to go through a formal appeals process. (Thus my reasoning for posting--things everywhere are changing.)

I would think one thing if the state had a reporting system specifically set up for children in the wrong school district, and not fraud in general. I tend to think that lenience has been granted in the cases I know of because the parents were not defrauding the school district to line their own pockets, but to cause as little disruption as possible to a child who is already disrupted in the throws of her parents' custody battle.

For the record, I didn't say that I thought one side or the other was right.

Sorry but they were taking money for others. UTAH has laws. YOUR laws do not matter. I have posted the appropriate statutes as well as the reporting system. Utah takes it seriously and mom can face jail time AND fines as well as pay restitution. THOSE are facts.

 

[soccer<3mom]

What address is on her medical records?

MY ADDRESS. Everything else is MY address. Her medical, dental, annual check ups, Insta-care, our recreation center... all documents have always gone to my address. Since I've been primary caretaker. I have taken her to all appts, I have paid all her medical, daily 'life' expenses and such.

 

[soccer<3mom]

Sorry but they were taking money for others. UTAH has laws. YOUR laws do not matter. I have posted the appropriate statutes as well as the reporting system. Utah takes it seriously and mom can face jail time AND fines as well as pay restitution. THOSE are facts.

I am not saying that you are incorrect. Although I know of few friends, especially one that her parents were going through a divorce- they always used their 'babysitters' address so she can go to that school. Not grandmothers but babysitters address. Their divorce battle lasted a few years she said, (same State mind you) and she stated that they never questioned the 'schools district' address or what not(She talked to her parents for me). The state just want what is best for the child. And in my case, it is with me.

 

[Ohiogal]

I am not saying that you are incorrect. Although I know of few friends, especially one that her parents were going through a divorce- they always used their 'babysitters' address so she can go to that school. Not grandmothers but babysitters address. Their divorce battle lasted a few years she said, (same State mind you) and she stated that they never questioned the 'schools district' address or what not(She talked to her parents for me). The state just want what is best for the child. And in my case, it is with me.

In your opinion it is with you. At this point dad has temp custody. And DR court is not a criminal court. They may not care but you can still face charges if dad or grandma make it an issue. All it will take is one complaint about what you are doing and your toast. There would be enough evidence to prove fraud. Just because your friends got away with it doesn't mean it was NOT a crime.

 

[Ohiogal]

MY ADDRESS. Everything else is MY address. Her medical, dental, annual check ups, Insta-care, our recreation center... all documents have always gone to my address. Since I've been primary caretaker. I have taken her to all appts, I have paid all her medical, daily 'life' expenses and such.

Good. But that is also evidence that you lied to the school knowingly.