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Bio Dad wants to Voluntarily TPR and my fiance wants to adopt - Missouri

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gotpinkspirit

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Missouri

My son's father and I split up in May of 2009 (never married). My son was 3. In Feb of 2010, I met my now fiance. Our wedding is 30AUG14.

My son's father and I had a rough patch the first year. After that first year, we finally had a "duke it out" conversation. He finally admitted that he was just mad because I was always right. (We disagreed on several things; I was always trying to look out for my son's best interests ... and that was all.) So for the last year and a half/two years, my son's father have gotten along great. My fiance and him have always gotten along well too. My son's father is the king of bad decisions. He did have a rough childhood to boot. In Fall of 2009 he got a girl pregnant. He "escaped" because she decided to get back together with her ex-husband whom she already had a kid with. The next year, he got another girl pregnant whose divorce wasn't even finalized yet. It is now Apr of 2013 and they are finally separating. He's been miserable with her ever since the first month they were together but never wanted to leave because he knew he couldn't afford child support on two kids. Now he's finally had it.

So here's the scoop - my son's father is less than reliable. My fiance and I take care of literally everything for my son. Dr appts, sick days at school, sports practice, homework, etc. His father used to get him every other week. Then in Feb of 2011 I told him he needed to not take my son for a bit. His gf and him were fighting badly and physically in front of our son. I told him until he had left her or figured something out, my son didn't need to be in that environment. After six weeks, he called asking to see his son. After discussion, I agreed to every other weekends only for a bit until I was comfortable that the shananigans had really stopped then we could do every other week. To this day, he still only gets him every other weekend. I've offered for him to take him more, just out to dinner during the week, a week through the summer, anything. He won't and some times actually foregoes his weekends due to bow tournaments he chooses to be in and hunting trips with his dad. I will say, he's tight on money and though only lives 15 minutes from us, our son goes to a school that is about 30 minutes away. So my son can't ride a bus home to dad's or nothing. However, when summer hits, his visitations do not increase at all. I think he had him for one week in summer of 2011. Don't get me wrong, I do understand his financial situation and his work schedule - however, I do feel he could be more involved regardless. He never calls asking how he's doing while he's here. Never checks in on anything, nothing. And if I need him to sign something for our son (because he's the legal guardian) it's like pulling teeth to get him to do anything. Not because he's defiant but because hes just not responsible. I have to take care of absolutely everything.

Now that he is splitting up with his gf, he has no where to live. He can't afford a place and is planning to stay with this friend and that. He told me a couple weeks ago that he prob won't get our son much because he thinks it would be awkward to have his kids at someones house where he's just kind of staying. Said he'd probably just get him on weekends he was able to go up to his dads and would let me know. So last week I called him to talk about long term plans for our son. Told him I was really concerned about the future of his presence and what that would due to our son ... more broken promises. (My son also used to call my fiance "dad" of his OWN accord. He did it once in front of his real dad when he picked him up. He told our son to never do that again because it was disrespectful to him. Since, it has noticably hurt my son's feelings and has created some what of a wedge between my son and fiance. We're working on it but it's been tough. Sad too - because before that, my son and fiance had an AWESOME relationship. They still do but it's not the same right now.) So I told him I thought we should really think about what was best for our son. I suggested adoption by my fiance. He said though it would be hard, he felt it was the right choice too. So we decided to do a "test run" where our son stays with my fiance and I for 60 days and then talk about adoption again. (Then he asked me to pause cs for those 60 days because he didn't think it fair to have to pay when he wasn't seeing him ...) For the past two years, he's paid me about $800 out of his taxes due to arrears in cs.

So my questions are; Do I HAVE to have an attorney to accomplish all this? If I dont, where do I start? DFS? I DO feel this is in the best interest of my child. He is so much apart of us and my fiance's family. He has been warm welcomed from the get go with his family. Though the father hasn't done anything extremely detrimental, he's just not able to keep up with the general responsibilities of being a father and he knows it. Nor does he keep up with his son's updates, life, etc. If he knows anything about our son, it's because I voluntarily text him the info. He never asks and if I stopped giving him info (which I've done before) he still wouldn't ask. Thus why he is in total agreeance for the TPR. I know it is uncommon for a Judge to award adoption to someone that isn't wed to the bio mom for a minimum amount of time, but do you think there is a chance it would be overlooked considering the length of time we've been together, we have a child together, a house, a life and my son is already with us 90% of the time anyway? Not to mention all the "father" things my fiance is already taking care of for him? I'm really concerned that if something were to happen to me, how that would affect my son. His father is not in a position to handle him and to boot - all of my life insurance is going to my fiance. For one, to take care of the home for my children but two, I don't trust the father to get any money and spend it responsibly for my son's needs. It is in clear understanding that if I did die, my fiance is to pay for things for my son directly and NOT just give his father money for that reason. What are the costs I'm looking at to get this done? How long does it take?
 


TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Missouri

My son's father and I split up in May of 2009 (never married). My son was 3. In Feb of 2010, I met my now fiance. Our wedding is 30AUG14.

My son's father and I had a rough patch the first year. After that first year, we finally had a "duke it out" conversation. He finally admitted that he was just mad because I was always right. (We disagreed on several things; I was always trying to look out for my son's best interests ... and that was all.) So for the last year and a half/two years, my son's father have gotten along great. My fiance and him have always gotten along well too. My son's father is the king of bad decisions. He did have a rough childhood to boot. In Fall of 2009 he got a girl pregnant. He "escaped" because she decided to get back together with her ex-husband whom she already had a kid with. The next year, he got another girl pregnant whose divorce wasn't even finalized yet. It is now Apr of 2013 and they are finally separating. He's been miserable with her ever since the first month they were together but never wanted to leave because he knew he couldn't afford child support on two kids. Now he's finally had it.

So here's the scoop - my son's father is less than reliable. My fiance and I take care of literally everything for my son. Dr appts, sick days at school, sports practice, homework, etc. His father used to get him every other week. Then in Feb of 2011 I told him he needed to not take my son for a bit. His gf and him were fighting badly and physically in front of our son. I told him until he had left her or figured something out, my son didn't need to be in that environment. After six weeks, he called asking to see his son. After discussion, I agreed to every other weekends only for a bit until I was comfortable that the shananigans had really stopped then we could do every other week. To this day, he still only gets him every other weekend. I've offered for him to take him more, just out to dinner during the week, a week through the summer, anything. He won't and some times actually foregoes his weekends due to bow tournaments he chooses to be in and hunting trips with his dad. I will say, he's tight on money and though only lives 15 minutes from us, our son goes to a school that is about 30 minutes away. So my son can't ride a bus home to dad's or nothing. However, when summer hits, his visitations do not increase at all. I think he had him for one week in summer of 2011. Don't get me wrong, I do understand his financial situation and his work schedule - however, I do feel he could be more involved regardless. He never calls asking how he's doing while he's here. Never checks in on anything, nothing. And if I need him to sign something for our son (because he's the legal guardian) it's like pulling teeth to get him to do anything. Not because he's defiant but because hes just not responsible. I have to take care of absolutely everything.

Now that he is splitting up with his gf, he has no where to live. He can't afford a place and is planning to stay with this friend and that. He told me a couple weeks ago that he prob won't get our son much because he thinks it would be awkward to have his kids at someones house where he's just kind of staying. Said he'd probably just get him on weekends he was able to go up to his dads and would let me know. So last week I called him to talk about long term plans for our son. Told him I was really concerned about the future of his presence and what that would due to our son ... more broken promises. (My son also used to call my fiance "dad" of his OWN accord. He did it once in front of his real dad when he picked him up. He told our son to never do that again because it was disrespectful to him. Since, it has noticably hurt my son's feelings and has created some what of a wedge between my son and fiance. We're working on it but it's been tough. Sad too - because before that, my son and fiance had an AWESOME relationship. They still do but it's not the same right now.) So I told him I thought we should really think about what was best for our son. I suggested adoption by my fiance. He said though it would be hard, he felt it was the right choice too. So we decided to do a "test run" where our son stays with my fiance and I for 60 days and then talk about adoption again. (Then he asked me to pause cs for those 60 days because he didn't think it fair to have to pay when he wasn't seeing him ...) For the past two years, he's paid me about $800 out of his taxes due to arrears in cs.

So my questions are; Do I HAVE to have an attorney to accomplish all this? If I dont, where do I start? DFS? I DO feel this is in the best interest of my child. He is so much apart of us and my fiance's family. He has been warm welcomed from the get go with his family. Though the father hasn't done anything extremely detrimental, he's just not able to keep up with the general responsibilities of being a father and he knows it. Nor does he keep up with his son's updates, life, etc. If he knows anything about our son, it's because I voluntarily text him the info. He never asks and if I stopped giving him info (which I've done before) he still wouldn't ask. Thus why he is in total agreeance for the TPR. I know it is uncommon for a Judge to award adoption to someone that isn't wed to the bio mom for a minimum amount of time, but do you think there is a chance it would be overlooked considering the length of time we've been together, we have a child together, a house, a life and my son is already with us 90% of the time anyway? Not to mention all the "father" things my fiance is already taking care of for him? I'm really concerned that if something were to happen to me, how that would affect my son. His father is not in a position to handle him and to boot - all of my life insurance is going to my fiance. For one, to take care of the home for my children but two, I don't trust the father to get any money and spend it responsibly for my son's needs. It is in clear understanding that if I did die, my fiance is to pay for things for my son directly and NOT just give his father money for that reason. What are the costs I'm looking at to get this done? How long does it take?

  • Yes.
  • Doubtful.
  • Depends on the attorney and how hard Dad decides to fight.
  • At least a couple of years before any plan like this can move forward.
 

gotpinkspirit

Junior Member
  • Yes.
  • Doubtful.
  • Depends on the attorney and how hard Dad decides to fight.
  • At least a couple of years before any plan like this can move forward.

The bio dad is not fighting at all. He is Voluntary TPR. We are going to wait the 60 days out to make sure we still agree it is in the best interests of our son before we legally start pursuing the issue. But dad is ready to give up rights.

Why would it take a couple of years? It states in the Missouri Law 453.011 that adoption cases are top priority (usually a hearing in 30 days) other than child protective cases. He's ready to sign, why would it take a couple years? I can understand it taking oh about a year and a half IF the Judge wanted us to be wed for six months first since the wedding isn't until AUG14, but I'm not getting the vibe you're taking that into account for the timeframe ... you're just speaking in general ... ?

Where can I go to research previous court cases similar to mine?
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
You need to be in a stable marriage (actually married at least 2 years or so) before a court will consider approving a step parent adoption. Once you're there, hiring a lawyer is the first step and no, you should absolutely not even think about proceeding without one. And dad may change his mind about terminating rights between now and then.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
And after reading your huge block of text, I do not think that a step parent adoption is even a little bit in your child's best interests. Dad is involved in his life and sees him regularly (even if it's not as often as YOU think he should), why on earth would you want to stop that? You would screw your kid up even more, encouraging his daf to abandon him like that. And it's offensive that you think there's a problem because you allowed the child to call someone else "dad", and it hurt real dad's feelings, and that's bad because it hurt kid's relationship with your boyfriend? You need to get your priorities straight.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Missouri

(My son also used to call my fiance "dad" of his OWN accord. He did it once in front of his real dad when he picked him up. He told our son to never do that again because it was disrespectful to him. Since, it has noticably hurt my son's feelings and has created some what of a wedge between my son and fiance. We're working on it but it's been tough. Sad too - because before that, my son and fiance had an AWESOME relationship. They still do but it's not the same right now.)



This is the part which is concerning me.

The only person responsible for creating any sort of wedge between your son and your fiance, is your fiance (and perhaps you). If he can't handle kiddo calling him something other than Dad, that's a major problem.
 

Eekamouse

Senior Member
What a judgmental control freak of a mother. You are doing no favors to your child with the way you are operating. You pass all sorts of judgments on Dad but look at you. You're shacked up with your boyfriend and playing house before marriage. You let your child call your boyfriend daddy when your boyfriend is not "daddy". You play games with including your child father in the things that involve your son. You are no peach and hardly the perfect mother. You want to play musical daddies because it suits YOU, not because it's in the best interest of your son.
 

gotpinkspirit

Junior Member
Of course, in order to actually pull this off, mom and stb-stepdad actually have to get married first.

WOW!! Have ANY OF YOU every CONSOLED A SOBBING SIX YEAR OLD WEEKLY WHEN DAD DOES CONSTANT LET DOWNS?! HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED YOUR POOR CHILD SO BUMMED AND TRYING TO SHUT HIMSELF OFF FROM US BECAUSE HE'S SADDENED? You all are RIDICULOUS! I came on here to get LEGAL advice, not your PETTY OPINIONS of what you THINK you know about my situation based off a couple paragraphs I wrote. I was TRYING to give insight on the close stability my son has with his FULL TIME household so you all could act as a "JUDGE" or tell me if you KNEW of cases where rights had been awarded out of wedlock. I'll have you ALL know while you're so QUICK to beat me up ... the FATHER you are hoping KARMA comes back around on and award custody to is a HS dropout, previous drug user, now homeless and WILLING to sign off rights. AND BEFORE YOU ALL GO ACCUSING ME of being judgemental - you should remember that in my text I never ONCE BASHED the father, simply stated FACTS. I think you guys have some real NERVE providing "free legal advice" when you all act no better than college groupies.

And BY THE WAY - the JUDGE in MY area awards adoption with being married six months (per his order clerk!) and the Missouri Statute states one year! So thanks but no - it is NOT two years.

I'm sorry, but I am totally disappointed! I could have gotten BETTER advice/pros/cons of this whole aspect out of a chatroom!! I REALLY expected better out of a forum like this.

And FURTHERMORE - I don't recall their being a MANUAL on what is right and wrong to do in situations like this. I didn't claim to be perfect nor claim to be all knowing and doing the "perfect" thing. I'm trying to do what I think is best. If any of you actually READ my text, you will notice that FATHER didn't want to take son while he's in the homeless/bounce around stage he's in right now and WE decided to do a trial run of this while all that is going on.

ALSO I did not say that our "playing house" was disrupted because my son stopped calling my fiance "dad". I was upset because the father was too SELFISH and not allowing his son to call people whatever HE felt comfortable with. I NEVER forced, made NOR suggested my son call my fiance dad. You all seriously need to back off on things you really don't know the entire story about. I'm so very disappointed in this.... you all should be ashamed of yourselves.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
WOW!! Have ANY OF YOU every CONSOLED A SOBBING SIX YEAR OLD WEEKLY WHEN DAD DOES CONSTANT LET DOWNS?! HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED YOUR POOR CHILD SO BUMMED AND TRYING TO SHUT HIMSELF OFF FROM US BECAUSE HE'S SADDENED? You all are RIDICULOUS! I came on here to get LEGAL advice, not your PETTY OPINIONS of what you THINK you know about my situation based off a couple paragraphs I wrote. I was TRYING to give insight on the close stability my son has with his FULL TIME household so you all could act as a "JUDGE" or tell me if you KNEW of cases where rights had been awarded out of wedlock. I'll have you ALL know while you're so QUICK to beat me up ... the FATHER you are hoping KARMA comes back around on and award custody to is a HS dropout, previous drug user, now homeless and WILLING to sign off rights. AND BEFORE YOU ALL GO ACCUSING ME of being judgemental - you should remember that in my text I never ONCE BASHED the father, simply stated FACTS. I think you guys have some real NERVE providing "free legal advice" when you all act no better than college groupies.

And BY THE WAY - the JUDGE in MY area awards adoption with being married six months (per his order clerk!) and the Missouri Statute states one year! So thanks but no - it is NOT two years.

I'm sorry, but I am totally disappointed! I could have gotten BETTER advice/pros/cons of this whole aspect out of a chatroom!! I REALLY expected better out of a forum like this.

And FURTHERMORE - I don't recall their being a MANUAL on what is right and wrong to do in situations like this. I didn't claim to be perfect nor claim to be all knowing and doing the "perfect" thing. I'm trying to do what I think is best. If any of you actually READ my text, you will notice that FATHER didn't want to take son while he's in the homeless/bounce around stage he's in right now and WE decided to do a trial run of this while all that is going on.

ALSO I did not say that our "playing house" was disrupted because my son stopped calling my fiance "dad". I was upset because the father was too SELFISH and not allowing his son to call people whatever HE felt comfortable with. I NEVER forced, made NOR suggested my son call my fiance dad. You all seriously need to back off on things you really don't know the entire story about. I'm so very disappointed in this.... you all should be ashamed of yourselves.


Alrighty then.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
WOW!! Have ANY OF YOU every CONSOLED A SOBBING SIX YEAR OLD WEEKLY WHEN DAD DOES CONSTANT LET DOWNS?! HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED YOUR POOR CHILD SO BUMMED AND TRYING TO SHUT HIMSELF OFF FROM US BECAUSE HE'S SADDENED? You all are RIDICULOUS! I came on here to get LEGAL advice, not your PETTY OPINIONS of what you THINK you know about my situation based off a couple paragraphs I wrote. I was TRYING to give insight on the close stability my son has with his FULL TIME household so you all could act as a "JUDGE" or tell me if you KNEW of cases where rights had been awarded out of wedlock. I'll have you ALL know while you're so QUICK to beat me up ... the FATHER you are hoping KARMA comes back around on and award custody to is a HS dropout, previous drug user, now homeless and WILLING to sign off rights. AND BEFORE YOU ALL GO ACCUSING ME of being judgemental - you should remember that in my text I never ONCE BASHED the father, simply stated FACTS. I think you guys have some real NERVE providing "free legal advice" when you all act no better than college groupies.

And BY THE WAY - the JUDGE in MY area awards adoption with being married six months (per his order clerk!) and the Missouri Statute states one year! So thanks but no - it is NOT two years.

I'm sorry, but I am totally disappointed! I could have gotten BETTER advice/pros/cons of this whole aspect out of a chatroom!! I REALLY expected better out of a forum like this.

And FURTHERMORE - I don't recall their being a MANUAL on what is right and wrong to do in situations like this. I didn't claim to be perfect nor claim to be all knowing and doing the "perfect" thing. I'm trying to do what I think is best. If any of you actually READ my text, you will notice that FATHER didn't want to take son while he's in the homeless/bounce around stage he's in right now and WE decided to do a trial run of this while all that is going on.

ALSO I did not say that our "playing house" was disrupted because my son stopped calling my fiance "dad". I was upset because the father was too SELFISH and not allowing his son to call people whatever HE felt comfortable with. I NEVER forced, made NOR suggested my son call my fiance dad. You all seriously need to back off on things you really don't know the entire story about. I'm so very disappointed in this.... you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

excuse me? who set your panties on fire?

by your OWN words, you have no intention of getting married until AUGUST 2014.....let's pull out a calculator shall we? that 16 months from now. add the 6 months YOU are talking about....that's 22 months. add a court hearing date to that...any complications....that's a 24 month MINIMUM.....holy moses! that's TWO YEARS!!!


12 months per year.....times 2...yup.....2 years.
 
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Eekamouse

Senior Member
Oh please! You chose to make a child with this man. Things didn't work out. Now you want to replace him with your current bed warmer. Who is to say your marriage will even happen? Lots could happen in 16 months. You two could break up. Gee, think how confused your son will be when you make another daddy go away.
 

single317dad

Senior Member
WOW!! Have ANY OF YOU every CONSOLED A SOBBING SIX YEAR OLD WEEKLY WHEN DAD DOES CONSTANT LET DOWNS?!

Pretty much all of us, I would imagine. Quit feeling sorry for yourself. The fact that you regret your decision to procreate with the child's father is of no consequence.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
At the end of the day, OP, your b/f will not be able to adopt the child until after you have been married for a period of time. Which means Dad cannot TPR until that point.

You can moan, wail and gnash your teeth at us all you want, but that is the reality. Get over it.
 

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