1st Amendment & Minors

[Proserpina]

Back to the topic of debate... All of you seem to agree on the fact that minors MUST listen to their parents, I have never heard of such a law. I am doing some research on that now.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Have fun with that.

Your parents basically rule your life until you're legally an adult, or emancipated.

Get used to it.

 

[cyjeff]

Please leave sentences such as that out of this debate.

Can I still use "bite me"?

Also please don't look down on me because of my age, I've had a 4.0 for as long as I have had letter grades, and I just passed 11th grade level math with an "A", even though I just graduated 9th grade. I am a intellectual person, and I am looked as a "nerd" by most of my classmates. I would've happily taken higher level science, english, and social studies, if it were available

Cool. Then you should no better than to try and make a constitutional argument out of mommy making you go to church instead of letting you sleep in.

You are a kid. You do what mommy says. Period.

Back to the topic of debate... All of you seem to agree on the fact that minors MUST listen to their parents, I have never heard of such a law. I am doing some research on that now.
Thanks again for your feedback.

I tell you what.

I will personally call your mother if you can find a law that states that a minor does NOT have to listen to their parents. I am not talking about dangerous or specifically excluded crimes... I am talking about cleaning your room and/or going to church.

What you are going to find out is that your parents are your legal guardians and, by law, you had no say in your own upbringing until the age of 18.

You may THINK you have a say because your parents GIVE you one... but, ultimately, they call the shots.

They are also fully allowed to impose upon you punishments and/or restrictions that the law does not. They can, for instance, imprison you (ground you to your room), remove your property without payment or receipt (you get your ipod back in a week), or say whom you can and cannot associate with even if in direct violation of law (you can't hang out with those devil worshipers - even though devil worshipers are protected by law).

You don't get this... you are so far out over your skis here that you actually think you have any say in this. You don't.

 

[EthanMH]

My sister has arrived and is staying for a couple days, I will check this thread again tomorrow.
Thanks again for your response.

 

[justalayman]

Now, if you had some wisdom, you would realize the even if you are an atheist, there are things to be learned at church.

I have the same morals that many Catholics have.

Not sure I would be proud of that claim. I know a lot of Catholics that have horrid moral values. Just as being atheist does not make have poor moral values, being Catholic does not make you have good moral values.

If you went to church, you would learn that.

 

[cyjeff]

My sister has arrived and is staying for a couple days, I will check this thread again tomorrow.
Thanks again for your response.

See ya after church.

 

[Proserpina]

See ya after church.

Nicely done .

 

[cbg]

Also please don't look down on me because of my age, I've had a 4.0 for as long as I have had letter grades, and I just passed 11th grade level math with an "A", even though I just graduated 9th grade. I am a intellectual person, and I am looked as a "nerd" by most of my classmates. I would've happily taken higher level science, english, and social studies, if it were available


My father has both an MD and a PhD. He also has approximately the same amount of common sense as the average oven mitt. So that's no argument.

Why don't you ask the juvenile authorities whether minors have to listen to their parents?

I'll be waiting for you to provide the law that grants a 15 year old the right to ignore his parents. Until you do, however, what Mom and Dad say, goes.

 

[CdwJava]

Please leave sentences such as that out of this debate.

Posters here are entitled to their opinion just as you are.

Also please don't look down on me because of my age, I've had a 4.0 for as long as I have had letter grades, and I just passed 11th grade level math with an "A", even though I just graduated 9th grade. I am a intellectual person, and I am looked as a "nerd" by most of my classmates. I would've happily taken higher level science, english, and social studies, if it were available

Academics are great, but none of these things at even the 11th grade level are horribly analytical or critical in nature, and your incredible lack of world experience hardly qualifies you as having much wisdom, certainly not enough to evaluate the comparative values of religion, faith, belief systems, etc.

You know what you feel and what you believe, but I suspect that this belief is based on some very thin support. Ands that is fine. We all had firmly held beliefs when we were your age. It is the wisdom of education and age that allows us to mature, to grow, and to critically analyze WHY we believe what we do. And <gasp> even to change what we believe.

Back to the topic of debate... All of you seem to agree on the fact that minors MUST listen to their parents, I have never heard of such a law. I am doing some research on that now.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Whether mom can physically hogtie you and drag you to church is questionable. But, she CAN make your life quite miserable for disobeying her. You may believe you possess "the same morals that many Catholics have" but apparently that does not include a little thing concerning honoring thy mother and father.

 

[justalayman]

My father has both an MD and a PhD. He also has approximately the same amount of common sense as the average oven mitt. So that's no argument.

Does your dad know what you say about him?

 

[cbg]

Probably not. But it's a family trait. My brother is just like him, as are several of my uncles.

I take after the other side of the family.

 

[BOR]

Yes, it does apply to you. But the First Amendment means the United States Congress can't make you go to church. Mom can.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If I may here, as far as Congress is concerned, the Bill of Rights (BOR), was only applicable to the federal government when ratified.

The Free Exercise Clause was made applicable to the states in 1940, Cantwell v. Connecticut. So this means no govt., even state or local, can phohibit the free excercise of.

 

[BOR]

Please leave sentences such as that out of this debate.


Also please don't look down on me because of my age, I've had a 4.0 for as long as I have had letter grades, and I just passed 11th grade level math with an "A", even though I just graduated 9th grade. I am a intellectual person, and I am looked as a "nerd" by most of my classmates. I would've happily taken higher level science, english, and social studies, if it were available

Back to the topic of debate... All of you seem to agree on the fact that minors MUST listen to their parents, I have never heard of such a law. I am doing some research on that now.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Mozart was composing at the age of 5, that does not mean he was versed in law.

Until you are up on your states Criminal Code, it is wise not to assume a minor can be emancipated, look up that term.

 

[cyjeff]

Mozart was composing at the age of 5, that does not mean he was versed in law.

Until you are up on your states Criminal Code, it is wise not to assume a minor can be emancipated, look up that term.

To go further, it is also not wise to assume that you are emancipated simply because you, yourself, believe you are ready to be such.

Search "emancipation" on this website alone and you will see hundreds, if not thousands, of requests.

To date, out of all of the thousands of requests, I only know of a handful that made it... and one of those was a lie.

NONE were because the child had to go to church.

 

[Zigner]

Please leave sentences such as that out of this debate.

What debate?

Also please don't look down on me because of my age, I've had a 4.0 for as long as I have had letter grades, and I just passed 11th grade level math with an "A", even though I just graduated 9th grade. I am a intellectual person, and I am looked as a "nerd" by most of my classmates. I would've happily taken higher level science, english, and social studies, if it were available

Intelligence does NOT equal wisdom.

Back to the topic of debate... All of you seem to agree on the fact that minors MUST listen to their parents, I have never heard of such a law. I am doing some research on that now.

This is proof of my above statement.

Thanks again for your feedback.

You are quite welcome. Now, get your behind in to church, as your mother directs.

 

[cbg]

To go further, it is also not wise to assume that you are emancipated simply because you, yourself, believe you are ready to be such.

Search "emancipation" on this website alone and you will see hundreds, if not thousands, of requests.

To date, out of all of the thousands of requests, I only know of a handful that made it... and one of those was a lie.

NONE were because the child had to go to church.

I can't think of any that made it. Not once the lie was exposed.