Adoption and Race discrimination?

[jebcat]

You can question me all you want. There are not red flags here. Yes, tonsilectomies are considered elective, however my daugther suffers from sleep apnea due to enlarged tonsils so this is a medical issue.

My son's surgery was elective too and we weren't ask for proof.

You want to know why I am opposed to having to provide proof, because it is only be required because of what we look like and the fact that our children are adopted. rmet4nzkx, you sound like the kind of person who thinks that adopted parents are "real" parents. You are the kind of person adoptive parents are trying to protect our children from. Our family is just as much a family, as just as much right to exisist and should be entitled to the same services for the same price with the same requirements as any other family. To say we are not means you are no better than the doctor's office and are just as liked to discriminate against people like us.

FYI - they never asked for my husband's consent. Just for proof that I was her mother.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

I am assuming that you work in some capacity in the medical field, are you saying that everytime one of your patients has a procedure performed on a child that your office requires this information from every person?? Or are you saying that the appearance of this child is the "issue of consent"?

Actually the race of an individual may be an issue with certain diagnosis, genetic disorders and or surgery, so race is a valid question in medicine, from a cultural prospective in psychotherapy and even adoption carries certain issues with it. A provider is required, has a duty, to obtain legal consent and provide informed consent to the patient/guardian. In this day of missing children, ID theft providers have been asking for picture ID's for a long time or asking quesitions to verify ID when presenting for appointments, proceedures, lab tests, Rx. There is a difference between a PCP/family doctor caring for a child/family over time when they might have asked for a thourough medical and social history and presenting for emergency treatment or elective surgery, there is still a valid reason to obtain a medical history which would include informaiton about family history. OP's reluctance is raising a red flag.

 

[fairisfair]

Actually the race of an individual may be an issue with certain diagnosis, genetic disorders and or surgery, so race is a valid question in medicine, from a cultural prospective in psychotherapy and even adoption carries certain issues with it. A provider is required, has a duty, to obtain legal consent and provide informed consent to the patient/guardian. In this day of missing children, ID theft providers have been asking for picture ID's for a long time or asking quesitions to verify ID when presenting for appointments, proceedures, lab tests, Rx. There is a difference between a PCP/family doctor caring for a child/family over time when they might have asked for a thourough medical and social history and presenting for emergency treatment or elective surgery, there is still a valid reason to obtain a medical history which would include informaiton about family history. OP's reluctance is raising a red flag.

blah blah blah. This has nothing to do with diagnosis. this has nothing to do with obtaining legal consent, these parents have the right to consent to medical treatment for their child. There are no red flags here, just the stench of poor business practices.

 

[fairisfair]

You can question me all you want. There are not red flags here. Yes, tonsilectomies are considered elective, however my daugther suffers from sleep apnea due to enlarged tonsils so this is a medical issue.

My son's surgery was elective too and we weren't ask for proof.

You want to know why I am opposed to having to provide proof, because it is only be required because of what we look like and the fact that our children are adopted. rmet4nzkx, you sound like the kind of person who thinks that adopted parents are "real" parents. You are the kind of person adoptive parents are trying to protect our children from. Our family is just as much a family, as just as much right to exisist and should be entitled to the same services for the same price with the same requirements as any other family. To say we are not means you are no better than the doctor's office and are just as liked to discriminate against people like us.

FYI - they never asked for my husband's consent. Just for proof that I was her mother.

I can understand your hurt and indignation, find another doctor to perform your child's surgery, and when you do, be sure the nurse isn't named Rmet!!!

 

[rmet4nzkx]

You can question me all you want. There are not red flags here. Yes, tonsilectomies are considered elective, however my daugther suffers from sleep apnea due to enlarged tonsils so this is a medical issue.

Yes I know, My son's were the size of Wallnuts, my other son literly shook the house with with his snooring, but both grew into healthy adults with their tonsils intact and excellent immune systems. I am asked to prove who I am every time I go to a lab or see a provider for at least the first time and sometimes every time I have an appointment. Do you know your daughter's family medical history? Does she have a bleeding disorder? A surgeon might want to have that information prior to surgery.

My son's surgery was elective too and we weren't ask for proof.

Irrelevent

You want to know why I am opposed to having to provide proof, because it is only be required because of what we look like and the fact that our children are adopted. rmet4nzkx, you sound like the kind of person who thinks that adopted parents are "real" parents. You are the kind of person adoptive parents are trying to protect our children from. Our family is just as much a family, as just as much right to exisist and should be entitled to the same services for the same price with the same requirements as any other family. To say we are not means you are no better than the doctor's office and are just as liked to discriminate against people like us.

FYI - they never asked for my husband's consent. Just for proof that I was her mother.

Of course adoptive parents are real parents, why would that anger you? I don't understand why you feel that you don't have to prove you are the child's legal parent and therefore able to give lawful consent for ELECTIVE SURGERY? When I take a medical and social history I am entitled to ask questions, it is not discrimination.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

I can understand your hurt and indignation, find another doctor to perform your child's surgery, and when you do, be sure the nurse isn't named Rmet!!!

This is a legal forum, there is no discrimination, she is free to change doctors.

 

[Ohiogal]

Actually legally there is no discrimination that I see. I am not saying I condone what happened but you would be hardpressed to prove legally that there is discrimination. They may be taking extra steps to make sure mom and dad are mom and dad in order to give proper consent and their reasons may seem superficial but that does not mean discrimination has happened. It just means that their attitude upset you. But your child is STILL getting the care. Write a letter to the hospital/doctor's office and explain your concerns. But you don't have a lawsuit.

 

[fairisfair]

Actually legally there is no discrimination that I see. I am not saying I condone what happened but you would be hardpressed to prove legally that there is discrimination. They may be taking extra steps to make sure mom and dad are mom and dad in order to give proper consent and their reasons may seem superficial but that does not mean discrimination has happened. It just means that their attitude upset you. But your child is STILL getting the care. Write a letter to the hospital/doctor's office and explain your concerns. But you don't have a lawsuit.

I don't think that OP is seriously considering any type of discrimination lawsuit, she is just upset because her family is being treated differently, based on the appearance (or difference in appearance) of her children, and because rmet keeps trying to convince her that the dr. office is doing the right thing. I shouldn't have used the word discriminatory (since I didn't mean it in the legal sense of the word) and will edit my post.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

I don't think that OP is seriously considering any type of discrimination lawsuit, she is just upset because her family is being treated differently, based on the appearance (or difference in appearance) of her children. and because rmet keeps trying to convince her that the dr. office is doing the right thing.

For goodness sakes, LA is full of diversity insofar as race, the DR office is required to obtain legal consent prior to any surgery, this is mandated by statute, it is not discriminaiton to ask if the children are adopted or for a parent to prove they have a legal right to consent to surgery. In fact, the surgeon can refuse to do the elective surgery simply because they decide they don't want to treat the patient, they are not mandated to do elective surgery just because a parent wants it.

 

[fairisfair]

For goodness sakes, LA is full of diversity insofar as race, the DR office is required to obtain legal consent prior to any surgery, this is mandated by statute, it is not discriminaiton to ask if the children are adopted or for a parent to prove they have a legal right to consent to surgery. In fact, the surgeon can refuse to do the elective surgery simply because they decide they don't want to treat the patient, they are not mandated to do elective surgery just because a parent wants it.

excuse me, was some one talking to you?? besides which your post is complete babbling. OP , could care less that she was asked if her children are adopted. the doctors office has the legal consent, and why have they YET to ask about the father if that is their concern?? and where in the hell does the refusing to do the surgery come from.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

excuse me, was some one talking to you?? besides which your post is complete babbling. OP , could care less that she was asked if her children are adopted. the doctors office has the legal consent, and why have they YET to ask about the father if that is their concern?? and where in the hell does the refusing to do the surgery come from.

It was in response to your post re yt response.
I'm going to go watch my "Novellas"

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

what the heck difference does it make if it is elective or not, are you saying that if it were emergency surgery that the requirements should be different? and they aren't asking for proof of both parents consenting, they are asking for proof that these ARE the parents.

Of course there is a difference!

 

[fairisfair]

Of course there is a difference!

oh, so legal consent is not required in emergency surgery?, or what if any is your point?? by the way, as stealth would say, you are a little late to the party dear!

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

oh, so legal consent is not required in emergency surgery?, I have a car accident . My daughter and her friend are passengers. I'm in a coma, my daughter and her friend need immediate surgery. It is called *IMPLIED CONSENT* for both children, since I'm in a coma and no parent can be reached. or what if any is your point??That you are dumb. by the way, as stealth would say, you are a little late to the party dear!By the way, as I would say,**************.Who cares ?

 

[Ohiogal]

I don't think that OP is seriously considering any type of discrimination lawsuit, she is just upset because her family is being treated differently, based on the appearance (or difference in appearance) of her children, and because rmet keeps trying to convince her that the dr. office is doing the right thing. I shouldn't have used the word discriminatory (since I didn't mean it in the legal sense of the word) and will edit my post.

Fairisfair I used the word discrimination because the title of this thread uses it. Discrimination is legally defined. This action is NOT discrimination. It may not be nice. It may not be dealt with in a politically correct way but I am not seeing any facts that point that this is discrimination.