From my own experience with this forum, believe me, when they tell you to look it up on your own, they mean it. It is amazing to me that people go to this forum to get advice and all they get are "smart a-- answers"--after the initial first answer. This forum was of no help to me. It scared the hell out of me --but, I went to other web sites and found the answers that I needed. And,they were completely wrong in my case. You can look my case up here under my ID. They told me, in my case, that I should 'butt out', BUT, I was a major factor in our court case and we won!! It just goes to show that Grandparents Rights are going to be a big factor in court cases of today and tomorrow---irregardless of the fact if the paternal or maternal parents are ALIVE and LIVING or dead!!!! Grandparents Rights are here!!
Anyway, I know how you feel after going to this forum. Just look up what you want to know somewhere else.