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bigql83

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Look, I absolutely believe that kids can get an decent education in a "failing" school, just as I believe that a kid can fail in a fantastic school. That's not the issue.

What I want you to understand, because I think it will save you heartache in the long run, nevermind a few thousand dollars... is that you walked into court with something that wasn't standard, and you walked out with the very basics. This wasn't a "I proved that Mom was neglecting son", or "I proved that Mom's home is a poor environment in which to raise a child", or anything like that. And whether it was asked for or not, a new custody determination was made.

What this means is that in any cases going forward, you will not be able to bring up anything that's not a material change in circumstances (I keep harping on the phrase for a reason). I'm GLAD you got a determination that Mom will send kiddo to public school. I'm GLAD you have joint custody now. But you didn't WIN anything that any judge wouldn't have ordered upon request. THAT is what all of us kept telling you, and what you're referring to as negative replies - you were never going to win custody of the child based on Mom's desire to homeschool. You were never going to be able to use the money Mom supposedly owes you to get custody. Nothing that you posted was going to back up a case for changing the child's primary custodian. And now, EVEN IF it was enough, it's irrelevant for any cases going forward. You're starting with a clean slate, from which a material change in circumstances must come before anything will be changed in the future.

So to post all of that, and then come back and say "Yup, totally got everything we asked for" in an effort to "let others know what's possible", it's disingenuous. See what I'm saying?

Actually we did prove that mom was neglecting son, here's what we showed the judge. In December last year son was sick with a stomach bug, he vomited at school, the school nurse sent him home, this happened again the next day. The third day was my day to get him, again he was still feeling sick.

When we got home he threw up again, I took him to the ER, and called his mother to let her know what was going on, while waiting in the ER, my son threw up again. After 90 minutes he was able to be seen, while the doctor was examing mother comes in. She decides that I didn't have the right to bring my son to the ER. The doctor pleads with her to let him finish his examination.

She made my son get dressed and takes him into the waiting room. The hospital staff calls the police in the meantime, after the police come they decide that the child is in my custody for the day and that he can be seen by the doctor, an hour later my son is back on the exam table. The doctor prescribed a prescription and follow up visit with a pediatricianthe next day. I had to return our son to her the next morning. Later I find out that my son didn't have health insurance during his visit. In court Friday I found out that he hasn't had insurance since then, almost a year ago. There was alot more that was discussed during my hearing than what I'm discussing.

I wanted my son in school and that's what I got, changing custody wasn't something that I was even considering. I guess having final say in all matters that involve the child is a very basic outcome.
 


CJane

Senior Member
You seem determined not to learn anything, and instead continue asserting your "rightness". I guess that's ok, but I feel compelled to correct you so that anyone else reading this thread is given the opportunity to try and understand what happened.

IF the judge had found that Mom was neglecting the child's health or education, the judge would have changed custody WITHOUT YOU REQUESTING IT. The judge did not, because the judge did not find that Mom was neglecting the child's welfare.

The judge MAY have found that Mom was not serving the child's best interests by home-schooling, but that's not the same thing as neglect. Neglect has a legal definition. In SC, that definition is:

Child abuse or neglect occurs when the parent, guardian, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare:

Inflicts or allows to be inflicted upon the child physical or mental injury or engages in acts or omissions which present a substantial risk of physical or mental injury to the child, including injuries sustained as a result of excessive corporal punishment, but excluding corporal punishment or physical discipline which:
Is administered by a parent or person in loco parentis
Is perpetrated for the sole purpose of restraining or correcting the child
Is reasonable in manner and moderate in degree
Has not brought about permanent or lasting damage to the child
Is not reckless or grossly negligent behavior by the parents

Commits or allows to be committed against the child a sexual offense as defined by the laws of this State or engages in acts or omissions that present a substantial risk that a sexual offense as defined in the laws of this State would be committed against the child.

Abandons the child

Encourages, condones, or approves the commission of delinquent acts by the child and the commission of the acts are shown to be the result of the encouragement, or approval

Fails to supply the child with:
Adequate food, clothing, shelter, or supervision appropriate to the child’s age and development
Education as required by law. A child’s absences from school may not be considered abuse or neglect unless the school has made efforts to bring about the child’s attendance, and those efforts were unsuccessful because of the parents’ refusal to cooperate.

Health care; though financially able to do so or offered financial or other reasonable means to do so and the failure to do so has caused or presents a substantial risk of causing physical or mental injury. For the purpose of this chapter "adequate health care" includes any medical or nonmedical remedial health care permitted or authorized under state law

Has committed abuse or neglect as described in in previous paragraphs, such that a child who subsequently becomes part of the person’s household is at substantial risk of one of those forms of abuse or neglect.

What you have repeatedly described does NOT reach that level. So you continuing to insist that you proved that Mom was neglecting the child AND YET, the judge STILL felt that the child's best interests were best served by remaining in Mom's household and Mom's "failing school" makes no sense.

SC does allow one parent to have final decision-making, in spite of a determination of joint custody. I still believe you'll find it impossible to work with considering the child is with Mom most of the time. And, you'll find that it doesn't apply to day to day decisions. Mom can still choose not to take the child to the doctor because he's vomiting. Mom can still choose to allow child to stay home from school if he's ill. Mom can still make all day to day decisions for the child while in her care. You will have final say ONLY on major decisions - surgery, braces, changing schools, etc. And, only until the child reaches medical majority, which in SC is 16 years old. After that? Junior can make all of his OWN medical decisions with the exception of those that are "essential to life". You (nor Mom) will have NO right to interfere with ANY routine medical decisions after that point. After the age of 17, the child will be making all of his own educational decisions.

It MATTERS that you understand these things. It MATTERS that you understand that as of right now, Mom has primary custody. You have secondary custody. Mom will retain primary custody until and unless a court decides otherwise. And a court can only even CONSIDER a change if a material change in circumstances since the LAST HEARING has taken place. That really does mean that nothing at all that happened the day before the hearing matters - ever again.

Consider this:

To convince the family court to CHANGE custody, a parent must prove three things:

1. A material change in circumstances;
2. The material change in circumstances happened AFTER the most recent family court custody order; and
3. The material change substantially affects the child’s best interests.

When Would the Family Court Modify a Custody Order in South Carolina?

Generally, to justify a change of custody, the family court looks to see whether there have been negative changes in the custodial parent’s skills or lifestyle. Here are a few examples of poor parenting or lifestyle choices that may cause the family court to change custody:

Interfering with the Relationship Between the Child and the Noncustodial Parent.
Unfortunately, some custodial parents try to drive a wedge between the child and the other parent. Examples of this include bad-mouthing the other parent in the child’s presence, obstructing visitation and communication between the parent and child, and making false allegations against the other parent to restrict their visitation. Most family court judges will give the custodial parent an opportunity to change their negative behaviors, but if their conduct continues, then the court may change custody.

Immoral Conduct. The family court will change custody if the custodial parent engages in immoral conduct that impacts the child’s welfare. Examples of immoral conduct include exposing the child to overnight romantic guests, exposing the child to pornography or other age-inappropriate materials or behaviors, drug use, and alcohol abuse.

Educational Problems.
If a child performs poorly at school, and the custodial parent is contributing to the problem or does little to help the child, then the court may change custody. Examples include excessive tardiness or absences from school or failing to get tutoring or other assistance for a child that is struggling with their courses.

Unstable Home Environment. Many things can negatively impact the stability of a child’s home environment based on the custodial parent’s choices. Examples include excessively moving from home to home, lack of job and income stability, and the custodial parent’s over-dependence on their family for support.

Poor Parenting Skills. Poor parenting skills come in many forms. Examples include behaviors that keep the child from developing independence, responsibility, or maturity, elevation by the custodial parent of their own happiness over that of their child, and improper or no supervision of the child, and mental or physical abuse of the child.

ANY of those things must be NEW. Not a continuation of issues you've had with Mom.

What you won, is that your child must be enrolled in a public school - either the one in Mom's district or the one in yours. And you were awarded joint custody with final (major) decision-making.

But no matter how many times you say it's true, you didn't prove Mom neglectful or unfit, and Mom didn't really "lose" anything.
 

CJane

Senior Member
changing custody wasn't something that I was even considering.

You said this:

I have a good chance at getting full custody,

AND

I know exactly how hard it is to change custody, being that I have 3 friends in similar situations who have full custody. My son's mom doesn't have anything going for her at the moment, she only worked 6 months in the last 9 yrs. My son is already with me 39% of the time.

I know most people on here like to play devil's advocate but I've had extremely good results in family court so far. I'm going to explain my situation too my lawyer Monday, if he doesn't think a judge will grant me an emergency hearing giving my circumstances, then I'll proceed going for full custody.

AND

I wouldn't have to file for custody if my son was in school

AND

I'm filing for custody

So...
 

CTU

Meddlesome Priestess
You said this:

I have a good chance at getting full custody,

AND

I know exactly how hard it is to change custody, being that I have 3 friends in similar situations who have full custody. My son's mom doesn't have anything going for her at the moment, she only worked 6 months in the last 9 yrs. My son is already with me 39% of the time.

I know most people on here like to play devil's advocate but I've had extremely good results in family court so far. I'm going to explain my situation too my lawyer Monday, if he doesn't think a judge will grant me an emergency hearing giving my circumstances, then I'll proceed going for full custody.

AND

I wouldn't have to file for custody if my son was in school

AND

I'm filing for custody

So...

You seem determined not to learn anything, and instead continue asserting your "rightness". I guess that's ok, but I feel compelled to correct you so that anyone else reading this thread is given the opportunity to try and understand what happened.

IF the judge had found that Mom was neglecting the child's health or education, the judge would have changed custody WITHOUT YOU REQUESTING IT. The judge did not, because the judge did not find that Mom was neglecting the child's welfare.

The judge MAY have found that Mom was not serving the child's best interests by home-schooling, but that's not the same thing as neglect. Neglect has a legal definition. In SC, that definition is:



What you have repeatedly described does NOT reach that level. So you continuing to insist that you proved that Mom was neglecting the child AND YET, the judge STILL felt that the child's best interests were best served by remaining in Mom's household and Mom's "failing school" makes no sense.

SC does allow one parent to have final decision-making, in spite of a determination of joint custody. I still believe you'll find it impossible to work with considering the child is with Mom most of the time. And, you'll find that it doesn't apply to day to day decisions. Mom can still choose not to take the child to the doctor because he's vomiting. Mom can still choose to allow child to stay home from school if he's ill. Mom can still make all day to day decisions for the child while in her care. You will have final say ONLY on major decisions - surgery, braces, changing schools, etc. And, only until the child reaches medical majority, which in SC is 16 years old. After that? Junior can make all of his OWN medical decisions with the exception of those that are "essential to life". You (nor Mom) will have NO right to interfere with ANY routine medical decisions after that point. After the age of 17, the child will be making all of his own educational decisions.

It MATTERS that you understand these things. It MATTERS that you understand that as of right now, Mom has primary custody. You have secondary custody. Mom will retain primary custody until and unless a court decides otherwise. And a court can only even CONSIDER a change if a material change in circumstances since the LAST HEARING has taken place. That really does mean that nothing at all that happened the day before the hearing matters - ever again.

Consider this:



ANY of those things must be NEW. Not a continuation of issues you've had with Mom.

What you won, is that your child must be enrolled in a public school - either the one in Mom's district or the one in yours. And you were awarded joint custody with final (major) decision-making.

But no matter how many times you say it's true, you didn't prove Mom neglectful or unfit, and Mom didn't really "lose" anything.


CJane is MVP here.
 
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