Guilty of refusing to test in ohio

[AHA]

Wow, AHA you're being awfully defensive. Didn't you know that a person doesn't have to drink everyday to be an alcoholic. A person can drink once a year and STILL be an alcoholic. It depends on how it affects them. Look, he drank until he was out of his freakin' mind so much that he didn't have the sense not to get in a car with a drunk driver and he ALLOWED a DUI. It was HIS car that the guy drove, wasn't it?

But you really don't need to be defensive about your husband's disease. There's help for him. And for you too. Personally, I feel sorry for you and I hope the two of you get the help you need.

Are you on crack or something or is it just plain old whiskey that's talking?
When did I say that he dank himself out of his freakin' mind????

You are just trying to find allies to excuse your extensive drinking, YOU are the one that have been caught drunk driving NOT US!

Don't feel sorry for us, we're not alcoholics and have a great life, save the sorry for your wife (if you have managed to keep one long enough!) and for the person in your mirror.

Not everyone is like you when it comes to drinking.
You should crawl into bed and give the drunk driver in my case a medal since you think that he was totally right and everything was the passengers fault. That says it all about what kind of person you are. Good luck with that. You are not worth any pity from me, that's too much of an emotion and I don't waste that on drunk drivers.

I hope next time you drink and drive the cops stop you before you run over a little kid.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

Don't feel sorry for us, we're not alcoholics and have a great life,

Goin' for a swim in DeNile today? How's the water?

Really AHA, alcoholism is a disease. You have nothing to be ashamed of. But I can see how you would be angry and disappointed being married to an alcoholic. If you use google, you can find an al-anon meeting in your area. I think they can help you get over your anger.

save the sorry for your wife (if you have managed to keep one long enough!)

You really ARE smoking that whacky-tobacky today, aren't you? I don't think I'll ever have a wife AHA. I'm a woman. DUH!

 

[AHA]

Goin' for a swim in DeNile today? How's the water?

Really AHA, alcoholism is a disease. You have nothing to be ashamed of. But I can see how you would be angry and disappointed being married to an alcoholic. If you use google, you can find an al-anon meeting in your area. I think they can help you get over your anger.



You really ARE smoking that whacky-tobacky today, aren't you? I don't think I'll ever have a wife AHA. I'm a woman. DUH!

Then it's even more pathetic that you got caught drunk behind the wheel, what a disgrace of a woman. Poor spawns of yours, if they are unlucky enough to exist.

You be careful destroying more braincells drinking so much, WE ARE NOT ALCOHOLICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't seem to understand english.

I'm not a dyke, so I'll ask you for the last time to leave me alone and go out and get some friends or a man, it will be a challenge but at least give it a shot.

Have a nice life drunk driving AGAIN. I couldn't get in "DeNile", it was full of big old you. You're the one with the DUI, so live with that and stop blaming everyone else for your bottle weakness.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

WE ARE NOT ALCOHOLICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. That denial is really strong. And it is the hallmark of an alcoholic. You know getting past denial is the first step towards recovery. AHA, your DRUNK husband ALLOWED a DUI. That's reality. You already admitted that.

Come on, you can tell us. It was HIS car, now wasn't it?

 

[Veronica1228]

I am so naive. Here I thought we could actually discuss issues and have an intelligent debate, but when I attempt to interject, without snide comments, without accusations, with just a little bit of sense it is ignored. Instead, the two of you, RIDL Prez and faggettaboutit, pass over it and go straight to the insults to others.

You don't want to debate. You don't actually have valid opinions of your own. You just want to continue to insult, ridicule, accuse, and regurgitate the same inane propaganda that others have shoved down your throats. Well, I think many of us have had more than enough of you trying to shove it down our's.

I recommend that we all stop posting to this thread as it has now lost all credibility. Hopefully, Mary will lock it soon.

Oh, one more thing. That whole "de-Nile" joke is so old it's farting dust. Get some new material, would ya? De-Nile is hardly a valid point to convince anyone to your side of the issues. You are making yourself, and your cause look ridiculous.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

You don't want to debate. You don't actually have valid opinions of your own. You just want to continue to insult, ridicule, accuse, and regurgitate the same inane propaganda that others have shoved down your throats. Well, I think many of us have had more than enough of you trying to shove it down our's.

Actually all we're doing Veronica is giving MADD members back a taste of their own medicine. Everytime we TRY to debate this in a logical/rational manner the insults, ridicule and accusations start from the other side. Not from us. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you don't like it too much. It's difficult to have a conversation and discuss this topic when all people are doing is insulting, ridiculing and throwing accusations, isn't it?

If you want to put all that aside and have a normal conversation, then I'm all for it. Get your buddies in line and tell them to stop with the insults and let's have a conversation without name calling and ridicule.

 

[Veronica1228]

If you want to put all that aside and have a normal conversation, then I'm all for it. Get your buddies in line and tell them to stop with the insults and let's have a conversation without name calling and ridicule.

Contrary to popular belief, I do not control the Universe.

You had your chance for intelligent discourse between us on this topic. You ignored it and instead attacked AHA. I have now said all I am going to say except that I plan on getting this thread locked out today, so get in your propaganda while you can.

Mary, do your thing.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

You had your chance for intelligent discourse between us on this topic. You ignored it and instead attacked AHA. I have now said all I am going to say except that I plan on getting this thread locked out today, so get in your propaganda while you can.

Typical MADD crap. Fact is you don't WANT to talk about this in a logical/rational manner. As soon as the door opens for that kind of discourse you run with your tail between your legs and get the webmaster to lock the discussion. Typical, typical, typical.

 

[Veronica1228]

Typical MADD crap. Fact is you don't WANT to talk about this in a logical/rational manner. As soon as the door opens for that kind of discourse you run with your tail between your legs and get the webmaster to lock the discussion. Typical, typical, typical.

First of all, I am not a member of MADD, I don't know any members of MADD, and I have not read or seen any of their propaganda. I am able to come to conclusions of my own without having to depend on someone else telling me what my opinion should be.

Second of all, I gave you and your friend the opportunity to respond intelligently when I posted a few pages back. There was no response to debate the issues. There was only more of, "AHA, your husband is a drunk. De-nile is not just a river in Egypt." Blah, blah, blah....boring.

The fact is that I believe you are INCAPABLE of communicating intelligently. Therefore, I decline to try again. If you are serious about attempting to discuss things calmly and intelligently then go back a few pages to my other posts and respond to THAT.

Until then, leave it alone.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

I can concede that there may be some law enforcement officials who take it a bit far when someone who is 100% sober is arrested for DUI, however, this would not happen if there wasn't a huge problem with this type of crime in this country. Peoples keep insisting in driving while intoxicated. Believe me. I live in Milwaukee. I know. Have you ever heard the expression, "a few rotten apples spoil the whole barrel"? Well that is the case here. While the current strict DUI laws might seem extreme and repungnant to you, they seem absolutely necessary to me. No, I wouldn't like to be arrested for DUI if I was innocent. Who would? However, these laws save lives.

Ok, a couple of things. And I would really like to know. What makes you think that drunk driving is such a huge problem? Seriously. I think I know the answer to that question, but I would really like to hear it from you. Because I don't think that drunk driving is such a huge problem and I don't think it warrants the attention it's been getting. And maybe that's the fundamental difference here. I understand that you think the laws are necessary because it's your perception that the problem is so huge. Why do you have that perception? Where did it come from?

However, these laws save lives.

And now well that's another thing that I disagree with. What makes you think these laws save lives. I understand that's you're perception. Where did IT come from?

 

[Veronica1228]

Ok, a couple of things. And I would really like to know. What makes you think that drunk driving is such a huge problem? Seriously. I think I know the answer to that question, but I would really like to hear it from you. Because I don't think that drunk driving is such a huge problem and I don't think it warrants the attention it's been getting. And maybe that's the fundamental difference here. I understand that you think the laws are necessary because it's your perception that the problem is so huge. Why do you have that perception? Where did it come from?



And now well that's another thing that I disagree with. What makes you think these laws save lives. I understand that's you're perception. Where did IT come from?

I know that drunk driving is a huge problem in my community. I know because I live in Milwaukee where 9 months out of the year the only thing to do on a Friday or Saturday night is to go to a bar or club. Do you know how many friends I have had to talk into a cab or steal their car keys because they want to drive even though they know they shouldn't? Do you know how many times, I've considered driving myself even though I know I am probably above the legal limit? I don't do it because it is against the law. I am not going to pretend to be some saint who follows laws because it is the "right" thing to do. Because it is the "moral" thing to do. Sometime this is the reason, but mostly the reason is that I don't want to get into trouble. I don't want to go to jail, or pay a huge fine, or have my license suspended etc. I also don't want to be responsible for injuring someone else because I decided that I was above the law, and it would be "just this one time."

I know that it saves lives because if nothing else, it acts as a deterrant for others to be especially cautious when it comes to drinking and driving. I know also because I have 3 relatives in law enforcement that I hear horror stories from every day.

I know because I have made my own opinions on these things. I don't have statistics to drag out, or rhetoric to spout, I have a life and I have experience. That's how I know all of these things.

(By the way, my saying that I have a life is in no way an implication that you do not.)

 

[RIDL_Prez]

So you're just going by your own perceptions and you have no hard data or evidence to support what you say. Correct? It's just a 'feeling' that you have based on your own circle of friends who all go out and drink at the bars on Friday and Saturday night, correct?

I know that it saves lives because if nothing else, it acts as a deterrant for others to be especially cautious when it comes to drinking and driving.

But that's actually not true. Did you know that? Did you know that the current laws only stop social drinkers who don't have a problem with alcohol and who aren't the ones causing the problem in the first place from driving after drinking? And that the laws aren't doing anything to stop the seriously drunk drivers, the ones who DO kill people, from driving? They go out there and do it anyway. So it's not really a deterrant, is it, if it's stopping the wrong people from driving after drinking then it's not saving any lives, is it?

 

[Veronica1228]

So you're just going by your own perceptions and you have no hard data or evidence to support what you say. Correct? It's just a 'feeling' that you have based on your own circle of friends who all go out and drink at the bars on Friday and Saturday night, correct?



But that's actually not true. Did you know that? Did you know that the current laws only stop social drinkers who don't have a problem with alcohol and who aren't the ones causing the problem in the first place from driving after drinking? And that the laws aren't doing anything to stop the seriously drunk drivers, the ones who DO kill people, from driving? They go out there and do it anyway. So it's not really a deterrant, is it, if it's stopping the wrong people from driving after drinking then it's not saving any lives, is it?

Well, that's your opinion. I can honestly say that nothing you can tell me will change mine. I really do not see anything wrong with our current DUI/DWI laws. I just don't. I don't agree with you or what your organization stands for. I don't even care about the data or statistical information. I am satisfied with the status quo.

What more is there to say? Hopefully, no more insults or condescending tones. I'm just really tired of this topic because it changes nothing. The laws are what they are, and I see no need to change them. End of story.

Please don't try to goad me to say more. I am going to let you have the last word, and I am unsubscribing from this thread as I will no longer be posting on it. I'm not "running away with my tail between my legs," I just see no logical reason to continue. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine. We have coverd this topic ad nauseum.

Take care.

 

[RIDL_Prez]

Actually, I never expected to change your mind. It's been my experience that people who are ingrained with what we refer to as "the MADDness" are typically not open to discussing this topic unless you agree with them.

However, these discussions on a public forum are important. Because there are people read these forums who don't know what we know and only hear the propoganda. And it's important that they see that there are two sides to this issue.

 

[ENASNI]

Holy Moly and his cousin Crimoly

Actually, I never expected to change your mind. It's been my experience that people who are ingrained with what we refer to as "the MADDness" are typically not open to discussing this topic unless you agree with them.

However, these discussions on a public forum are important. Because there are people read these forums who don't know what we know and only hear the propoganda. And it's important that they see that there are two sides to this issue.

Can't you listen to logic... Actually there are probably more than eight sides to this issue... but it has been covered ad nauseum as Veronica has stated.

So do this:
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