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nextwife

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Honestly, getting comfort from Daddy is far better than any blankie.

Your kid will survive a few days without her things. My daughter, for example, had not a single, solitary thing that was hers (yes, NOTHING) until she came to us at age two. She's a happy and secure child.
 


casa

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starabby said:
Also, I have already posted the reason I left him. Which was because he had said he wanted to teach our children how to have sex. And I know that people just say things sometimes they dont really mean. But when he spent all his free time reading incest stories on the computer. It was too many red flags for me to just ignore. This was reported to the Family Independence Agency and then referred to the Sheriff Dept. They investigated it and said we do not have enough to charge him with anything. Just because he says it, which is my word against his. So I recorded a conversation I had with him asking him why he said what he said and he said he was just fantasizing and he doesnt feel that way now...that he would feel like a child molester. The Sheriff Dept says they can not charge him criminally, but they will keep it on file incase anything does happen in the future. So yes, I do have concerns about him having her for extended periods of time. What mother wouldnt. But because I do not want my daughter to not know her father and because according to the court, he has not done anything yet. I have to give her to him. I would even feel better if he had to get counseling. At least I would know that he is getting some help for his problem.

OMG :eek: Why are you not pushing in court to have the father evaluated? You would like to "know that he is getting help for his problem"?? Uhm....it's not just a problem, it's a MAJOR deviancy. :mad: It's not like he needs to take an accounting class to learn how to budget his money~ He's exhibiting behavior and making statements that he fantasizes about sex with children and wants to teach your children to have sex and also frequents incest information on the internet???? :eek:

If I were you~ I wouldn't let this one go, until I had my child back. Period. And if you know all of this, why are you not fighting to stop visitation altogether?? It's apparent from your wording of the order that he is not to have overnight visits for some reason- Was that because of the information obtained from the Family Independence Agency? What was the outcome of their investigation? Was your X ever evaluated by a professional?

The things mentioned in this most recent post of yours are not only alarming, but statistically 'classic' symptoms of child molesters. :eek:
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
snostar said:
That's enough to make me think your off your rocker :rolleyes:
I think we are finally on the same page on this one Snow ;)
I went back and read all her posts starting in September 2004 and this is the same song different verses....
She is represented by an attorney who has told her to shut up in this because she doesn't represent herself well and whines and cries when she doesn't get her own way.
She also has a history of epilepsy and possibly bi-polar (unmedicated) which presents a clinical paridox since epilepsy Rx are frequently used for bi-polar disorders and they both have been refered for psych evals. This strongly suggests that OP may indeed have a disorder that impairs her perception of reality as demonstrated by her continued false and unsubstantiated accusations, or confabulations.

Other statements either represent her ignorance or misperception since she claims STBX was referred to a psychologist and Rx meds for depression which he tried to comit suicide on, big problem with this statement is that psychologists, don't Rx medications and few antidepressants could be used for a suicide attempt, so just more unfounded accusations. No wonder her own attorney tells her to shut up.

so she comes here and asks the same quesiton over and over again...

Essentially the father has close to split custody, once the matter was brought before the court, so there is no way that in the last 3 months that this visitation issue suddenly arose while the FOC was on vacation and that the father has nothing to care for or comfort the child.

OP needs to abide by the orders and take her medications.
 

snostar

Senior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
No wonder her own attorney tells her to shut up.

Yeah right, I am extremely familiar with bipolar disorder, but didn't read any of the previous posts...damn I would have have some good tips for this child's father when it comes to court.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
casa said:
OMG :eek: Why are you not pushing in court to have the father evaluated? You would like to "know that he is getting help for his problem"?? Uhm....it's not just a problem, it's a MAJOR deviancy. :mad: It's not like he needs to take an accounting class to learn how to budget his money~ He's exhibiting behavior and making statements that he fantasizes about sex with children and wants to teach your children to have sex and also frequents incest information on the internet???? :eek:

If I were you~ I wouldn't let this one go, until I had my child back. Period. And if you know all of this, why are you not fighting to stop visitation altogether?? It's apparent from your wording of the order that he is not to have overnight visits for some reason- Was that because of the information obtained from the Family Independence Agency? What was the outcome of their investigation? Was your X ever evaluated by a professional?

The things mentioned in this most recent post of yours are not only alarming, but statistically 'classic' symptoms of child molesters. :eek:

The problem, casa, is that (a) this has apparently already been brought to the attention of the court and (b) OP admits that she has no proof of any of it. The court will not act on hearsay. And that's what this is.
 

starabby

Junior Member
I have only stated the same thing in my posts I have written. Everything I have written is the truth. I am not bi-polar. I said earlier that it is one of the accusations my husband had told his attorney. And that I go out to drink after work everynight. I have since given my attorney a letter from my Dr stating that I have epilepsie and have had it since i was 15 months old. I take Zonagran and have not had a seizure for over 2 years. He also stated in the letter I am not bi-polar. I have also asked my husband why he told his attorney that and his response was....you lie to your attorney..so I am going to lie about you to mine. As far as drinking. I can not drink with my medication. Why is that hard to understand.

As far as going 3 months without a visitation order. We just went to court on Dec 13 for the visitation hearing. That is when the order was signed.

The child protective services had come out and talked to me and to him. They listened to the recording and also had her supervisor listen to it. It was concerning enough for her to give it to the Sheriffs office to evaluate. When the judge signed the order, he was told about the investigation by my attorney. But since there was no paperwork yet, he said the child protective services know the proper channels to take if they feel the need. When the investigation is complete. Because of holidays....the Detective has not been able to get ahold of the child protective services person that is dealing with this case. But she will tell her that while there is a concern and it isnt normal for him to have these thoughts. There is nothing criminal.
Yes, this is very confusing. And it is a nightmare. And the Detective said if something does happen to my daughter, she will be the first to go after him. So I am afraid I am going to have to settle for that and hope nothing ever happens. And for those of you who ask, why do I give her to him if i am afraid for her, I HAVE NO CHOICE.....He hasnt done anything yet. I guess this all sounds so bizarre to all of you, try living it.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
snostar said:
Yeah right, I am extremely familiar with bipolar disorder, but didn't read any of the previous posts...damn I would have have some good tips for this child's father when it comes to court.
I know, I didn't look at them until after I responded initially, but it was clear that OP was having trouble interpreting reality from the posts here and abundently clear from reading all the rest.

I feel sorry for the child in the middle of all this. It seems that both attorneys have a handle on this and her attorney is placating her as best they can, pending the evaluations. Trying to elicit our sympathy and support, still won't help her deal with the reality or wisdom of her custody battle and if she continues may lose even more. I even question the safety of the child the few nights she keeps the child overnight herself more so than the majority of the time the father has the child.
 

starabby

Junior Member
My attorney has asked for him to be evaluated and they have agreed. I have also agreed. But now they say they have to think about it. Both my husband and I were in counseling. And like I said before, my husband was going to a counselor. He recommended he see a psychiatric Dr. He is the one that perscribed the medication. Then he tried to commit suicide by taking all the medication. But now he just says that he only told me that. He said he didnt really take the medication. So I dont know what to believe. At the time, I had to take all the medication in the house to work with me so he didnt try to kill himself. And you can all turn my words around and say what you want. I only asked for others opinions so that I might see different points of views and maybe someone that has already been through a nightmare like this.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
starabby said:
I have only stated the same thing in my posts I have written. Everything I have written is the truth. I am not bi-polar. I said earlier that it is one of the accusations my husband had told his attorney. And that I go out to drink after work everynight. I have since given my attorney a letter from my Dr stating that I have epilepsie and have had it since i was 15 months old. I take Zonagran and have not had a seizure for over 2 years. He also stated in the letter I am not bi-polar. I have also asked my husband why he told his attorney that and his response was....you lie to your attorney..so I am going to lie about you to mine. As far as drinking. I can not drink with my medication. Why is that hard to understand.

As far as going 3 months without a visitation order. We just went to court on Dec 13 for the visitation hearing. That is when the order was signed.

The child protective services had come out and talked to me and to him. They listened to the recording and also had her supervisor listen to it. It was concerning enough for her to give it to the Sheriffs office to evaluate. When the judge signed the order, he was told about the investigation by my attorney. But since there was no paperwork yet, he said the child protective services know the proper channels to take if they feel the need. When the investigation is complete. Because of holidays....the Detective has not been able to get ahold of the child protective services person that is dealing with this case. But she will tell her that while there is a concern and it isnt normal for him to have these thoughts. There is nothing criminal.
Yes, this is very confusing. And it is a nightmare. And the Detective said if something does happen to my daughter, she will be the first to go after him. So I am afraid I am going to have to settle for that and hope nothing ever happens. And for those of you who ask, why do I give her to him if i am afraid for her, I HAVE NO CHOICE.....He hasnt done anything yet. I guess this all sounds so bizarre to all of you, try living it.
CPS has nothing to work from just your unsubstantiated claims.

You just opened up a different can of worms here re your medication, if and or when your STBX accused you of being bi-polar. As you well know if your have had seizures since you were 15 months old you should know by now how to spell the word, Epilepsy. Just because you are taking your medication now doens't mean that you have always been complient or your behaviors, appropriate.

You should also know the contraindications for that medication Zonisamide, the following should be considered:

Pregnancy—Zonisamide has not been studied in pregnant women. However, studies in animals have shown that zonisamide causes birth defects and other serious problems with the pregnancy. Before taking this medicine, make sure your doctor knows if you are pregnant or if you may become pregnant. (Were some of his observations based upon times when you were not on the medication?)

Breast-feeding—Zonisamide has been shown to pass into breast milk. However, it is not known whether this medicine causes problems in nursing babies. Mothers who are taking zonisamide and who wish to breast-feed should discuss this with their doctor.

Children— Safety and efficacy have not been established in children who are under 16 years of age and is not approved for use.Studies in children have shown that some children are at higher risk for oligohidrosis (decreased sweating) and hyperthermia (unusually high body temperature), especially in warm or hot weather. This can sometimes result in heat stroke and hospitalization.

Other medicines—Although certain medicines should not be used together at all, in other cases two different medicines may be used together even if an interaction might occur. In these cases, your doctor may want to change the dose, or other precautions may be necessary. When you are taking zonisamide, it is especially important that your doctor and pharmacist know if you are taking any of the following:
* Alcohol or
* Carbamazepine [e.g. Tegretol]) or
* Phenobarbital [e.g. Barbita or Mysoline] or
* Phenytoin [e.g. Dilantin] or
* Valproate [e.g. Depakote]—Taking any of these medicines with zonisamide may decrease the amount of zonisamide in the blood, causing an decrease in effectiveness, and a possible increase in seizure frequency
* Anticholinergics (medicine for abdominal or stomach spasms or cramps or drying up a runny nose) or
* Acetazolamide [e.g., Diamox] or
* Dichlorphenamide [e.g., Daranide] or
* Methazolamide [e.g., Neptazane]—Side effects of zonisamide, such as dryness of mouth or heat intolerance, may be more likely to occur
* Central nervous system depressants (medicines that cause drowsiness)—Using these medicines or alcohol with zonisamide may cause increased drowsiness

Other medical problems—The presence of other medical problems may affect the use of zonisamide.

This medicine will add to the effects of alcohol and other CNS depressants (medicines that make you drowsy or less alert). Some examples of CNS depressants are antihistamines or medicine for hay fever, other allergies, or colds; prescription pain medicines, or sleep medicines. Do not take other medicines unless they have been discussed with your doctor. This especially includes nonprescription medicines for appetite control, asthma, colds, cough, hay fever, or sinus problems.

Use effective birth control methods to prevent pregnancy if you are sexually active and able to become pregnant.



Thus, his claims re you and your competence, have some validity, especially since you admit that you have had this since 15 months and certainally during pregnancy and breastfeeding and that you most likely were, if following your doctor's instructions not taking the medication during preconception/pregnancy/breastfeeding(if you BF) and during such times you may in fact disply behaviors typical of bipolar disorder, furthermore, several other disorders may also respond to these Rx and you would display those signs of psychological disorder whether or not you realize it or whether or not you have bi-polar disorder. Frankly, your posts lack credibility and demonstrate a thought disorder, even though you may think otherwise.
 

casa

Senior Member
starabby said:
I have only stated the same thing in my posts I have written. Everything I have written is the truth. I am not bi-polar. I said earlier that it is one of the accusations my husband had told his attorney. And that I go out to drink after work everynight. I have since given my attorney a letter from my Dr stating that I have epilepsie and have had it since i was 15 months old. I take Zonagran and have not had a seizure for over 2 years. He also stated in the letter I am not bi-polar. I have also asked my husband why he told his attorney that and his response was....you lie to your attorney..so I am going to lie about you to mine. As far as drinking. I can not drink with my medication. Why is that hard to understand.

As far as going 3 months without a visitation order. We just went to court on Dec 13 for the visitation hearing. That is when the order was signed.

The child protective services had come out and talked to me and to him. They listened to the recording and also had her supervisor listen to it. It was concerning enough for her to give it to the Sheriffs office to evaluate. When the judge signed the order, he was told about the investigation by my attorney. But since there was no paperwork yet, he said the child protective services know the proper channels to take if they feel the need. When the investigation is complete. Because of holidays....the Detective has not been able to get ahold of the child protective services person that is dealing with this case. But she will tell her that while there is a concern and it isnt normal for him to have these thoughts. There is nothing criminal.
Yes, this is very confusing. And it is a nightmare. And the Detective said if something does happen to my daughter, she will be the first to go after him. So I am afraid I am going to have to settle for that and hope nothing ever happens. And for those of you who ask, why do I give her to him if i am afraid for her, I HAVE NO CHOICE.....He hasnt done anything yet. I guess this all sounds so bizarre to all of you, try living it.

It sounds like several organizations are/have been involved~ in that case, it's a good thing. They will hopefully follow through by evaluating both of you (you and X) and decide what is best for the child.
If you have a court date approaching, it would be wise to ask for a GAL or minor's attorney to represent your child in all of this. Also a psychiatric evaluation (tho you say it's been mentioned, it hasn't been ordered yet). In an evaluation any personality disorders on either side will surely reveal themselves.

In the meantime, listen to your attorney. Follow through with what you are advised to do.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
starabby said:
My attorney has asked for him to be evaluated and they have agreed. I have also agreed. But now they say they have to think about it. Both my husband and I were in counseling. And like I said before, my husband was going to a counselor. He recommended he see a psychiatric Dr. He is the one that perscribed the medication. Then he tried to commit suicide by taking all the medication. But now he just says that he only told me that. He said he didnt really take the medication. So I dont know what to believe. At the time, I had to take all the medication in the house to work with me so he didnt try to kill himself. And you can all turn my words around and say what you want. I only asked for others opinions so that I might see different points of views and maybe someone that has already been through a nightmare like this.
You have been asking this same question since September and get the same answer, it isn't going to change, just because you don't like it. When they do the psych evaluations on BOTH of you, they will uncover your thought disorder as well as your other behaviors.

Please be happy that you have as much time with your child as you do, because you cannot handle a child full time. Are you getting any assistance from the department of developmental disabilities?
 
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