health supplement caused coma

[OHRoadwarrior]

That sounds really good for a press release. The truth of the matter is that Federal law prohibits making scientifically unproven claims about supplements. A retail distributor, testifying a natural substance does something is illegal absent documented scientific proof. It is not only unsubstantiated by scientific evidence, it is assuming the fact they are professionally educated, with a medical degree, to testify on a products efficacy, based on their experience. The only thing a business owner could testify about was that they bought it from company X.

For ****x n giggles, go into any health food store and start discussing herbs and supplements. Any properly trained employee will have been taught phraseology that indicates what people use it for, without directly making a claim it does something, unless there is scientific documentation it actually does.

GHB's Day(s) in Court

The FDA's national press release of 8 November 1990, which declared that GHB was a drug, marked the beginning of a series of law-enforcement actions and court cases. At that time, GHB was being sold in health food stores on an over-the-counter basis. With that press release, the FDA and federal and local police began to threaten businesses with legal prosecution for selling GHB. They arrested business owners and told them that they would be prosecuted unless they testified against their wholesale suppliers.

The FDA succeeded in driving the GHB business underground. They began legal proceedings against GHB distributors and manufacturers. They charged them with labeling and drug violations. The FDA provided expert witnesses who testified as to the serious dangers of GHB. During the trials, the Federal prosecutor and FDA blocked the court's and defense's access to GHB INDs which were represented to "contain no relevant information." The GHB distributors and manufacturers were convicted and sent to prison.

PHENIBUT--

Law #
Phenibut is not a controlled substance in the United States, where sales, distribution, and labeling are regulated by FDA rules if it is sold as a dietary supplement.

 

[mtmon]

re

Really? We're really going to pick whichever words we like best and use them in public?

I disapprove.

Really? I referenced news articles, government sources, and medical data bases. The said statements by the poster in which I was addressing were unsubstantiated and based on logical fallacy.
"Ephedrine was only dangerous if you ignored the dosage" (unsubstantiated)...and statements stated with a sense of self proclaiming authority, beginning w/ "I think", etc.

It is true that during a debate on an issue, if you simply point out to your "opponent" a logical fallacy that he/she has just made, it generally gives you the upper hand. But then, merely having the upper hand is not the goal: truth is. Nevertheless, logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.

Ad Hominem - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.

Example: Your information is so irrelevant and stupid your argument couldn't possibly be true. (This attitude is explicit among certain posters)


Appeal to Force - Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument.

Example: If you try to present this case to any attorney (who isn't being "paid to tell you what you want to hear") or ANYBODY of relevance you will miserably fail and look stupid

Begging the Question - Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular.

Example: Senior member is a solid contributor always pointing out valid, constructive, intelligent, OBJECTIVE, and constructive information because Frank says so. How can we trust Frank? Simple: I will vouch for him.
Example: Convert or die.
False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: "So how many attorney's are now willing to take your case?!?"
Example: Do you still beat your wife?

 

[tranquility]

If y'all are in a debating society, this is mildly interesting. Otherwise? Not so much.

All things ingested have issues. Let me know if you think I should take high dose vitamin C.

Now, what is the OP's legal question again?

 

[Proserpina]

If y'all are in a debating society, this is mildly interesting. Otherwise? Not so much.

All things ingested have issues. Let me know if you think I should take high dose vitamin C.

Now, what is the OP's legal question again?

I forgot. I think it was something about him taking a supplement from China and allegedly it caused certain nasty effects.

I gave up.

 

[mtmon]

re:

Why would you even think to take a substance that is largely non-researched? I mean - that's just dumb.

Hmmm...is everything you put down your mouth "researched?" If you think so, to what standards? Have you really looked into this?

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

We were talking OP down from his misconception a direct link could be made between the supplement and the reaction he had easily.

If y'all are in a debating society, this is mildly interesting. Otherwise? Not so much.

All things ingested have issues. Let me know if you think I should take high dose vitamin C.

Now, what is the OP's legal question again?

 

[Proserpina]

Hmmm...is everything you put down your mouth "researched?" If you think so, to what standards? Have you really looked into this?

Actually given my background in clinical trials (and before you say anything, I worked both "for" and "against" the FDA), yeah - you're darned right I'll research something before I ingest it.

 

[mtmon]

re:

Actually given my background in clinical trials (and before you say anything, I worked both "for" and "against" the FDA), yeah - you're darned right I'll research something before I ingest it.

I'm not concerned with "Something", I' concerned about EVERYTHING. And what's your vague breviary regarding "background in clinical trials" have to do with anything? As a matter of fact, what does ANYTHING about your post have to do applicable to relevance?

Egos and personal issues aside here folks.
PLEASE!

 

[Proserpina]

Egos and personal issues aside here folks.
PLEASE!

Take your own advice, m'dear.

If you're so sure you have a case, a med-mal attorney will take it on contingency.

You're wasting time here.

 

[TheGeekess]

Take your own advice, m'dear.

If you're so sure you have a case, a med-mal attorney will take it on contingency.

You're wasting time here.

Shame we can't Godwin this one.

 

[quincy]

Egos and personal issues aside here folks.
PLEASE!

Egos and personal issues aside, huh? Well then. It appears you need to take your ego and personal issues and find an attorney in your area who you can pay to hear your complaint.

Good luck.