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tigger2two

Guest
some ppl just dont know that you are well known here for giving good advice! let me pay you a compliment. I enjoy reading your posts. After going through all this myself I just wish i woulda known about this site long ago. Well at least the ppl like yourself that really do give good advice anyway.
 


I AM ALWAYS LIABLE

Senior Member
My response:

You'll notice that PenutButterChip hasn't been back since my post. You'd think that she'd be appreciative for the information, and being told she screwed up.

She's probably so mad, she's spitting nails!

IAAL
 

gphjr

Member
Guy, Girl still don't matter. Sorry for calling you a guy. Military people still dont' get big raises. So yours was a full bird, I'm sure your not going to be complaing about the 50% retirement check your gonna get but that is neither here nor there. If this other guy is enlisted he is not getting paid the big bucks your hubby got, but that is besides the point also. She does have a way to get an increase in her Child Support which may be well deserved for her children and the bum is not helping out. MA is a very expensive state. Should this guy be a Specialist in the Army he is making about 20K per year 23K for Seargents and 26K for Staff Seargent. Add an kid to that and a spouse working in AAFES PX (Department Store Like WALMART) for you civilian and he ain't doing the Full Bird money by a long shot. IAAL is still correct no matter how high my reading level is. Have a good day.
 
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tigger2two

Guest
i agree IAAL she probably is. Not at you but at herself for trying to get out the cheap way with no attorney LOL!! I know i would be
 

PenutButterChip

Junior Member
I AM ALWAYS LIABLE said:
My response:

You'll notice that PenutButterChip hasn't been back since my post. You'd think that she'd be appreciative for the information, and being told she screwed up.

She's probably so mad, she's spitting nails!

IAAL


Gee what has it been like 2, 3 days I am just getting to read this due to the fact of taking care of my daughter, without her loser father. You are right I didnt have a lawyer, if I could possibly afford one I probably wouldnt be worried that he is only paying PEANUTS to support his child. I have requested that my case be reviewed for an increase because it has been a few years and not only has he gotten he automatic yearly raise he has moved up in rank 3x. Not to mention what he is raking in just from being overseas, and dont anyone get all patriotic for him because he is a dodger, by that i mean that he has friends in high places and always...I mean ALWAYS avoids going anywhere that will not allow him to sit behind a desk. Which is exactly why he is hiding behind the Soldiers and Sailors Act
 

topsidder

Member
If your are enlisted and have an existing order, remember this:

The interstate law(s) may apply to you. In civilian life, if you have an order from one state and move to another, the originating state retains jurisdication. This law was enacted to prevent NCP's from moving to a state with "more lenient(?)" guidelines and seeking relief.

In addition, I believe military personnel should be held accountable for their financial responsibilities; however, I disagree with taking action against anyone who is unable to appear to defend themselves. Especially when they are "ordered" "on the job" ect. I know JAG sends lawyers, but I am a BIG defender of the right of the accussed to confront his accussers (i know, i know, this is not criminal court) but still.

If the NCP cannot appear to present his case due to orders, any additional action against them should cease and desist untill such time they are on leave, have "finished the tour" ect.

What I find most intersting is that most military tours only last, on average, 2 years (unless "career" military). One would assume that military has Checked this person out before enlisting (ie knows about past support, arrests etc.) Order establishment, enforcement and collection should have been established before deployment.

IMO, CP's should not have the opportunity to capitalize on the plight of the NCP who just cannot appear to defend themselves. They will be home within 18 months (god willing), and you can bet your bottom $, the government now knows where he is.
 
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tigger2two

Guest
I would like to know what kind of special favors this guy is doing for his superiors to move up 3 ranks in 3 years. My ex husband is in the coast guard and my deceased husband was marine corp, and in both of those once you get so far (usually e4) there is a waiting period per say to move up ranks. And the amout of quals needed double. So how has this man soared past 3 ranks in 3 years? I don't believe that is possible. But as IAAL and BEL have pointed out in the past (not fussing by any means) I could be wrong.
 
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tigger2two

Guest
What I find most intersting is that most military tours only last, on average, 2 years (unless "career" military). One would assume that military has Checked this person out before enlisting (ie knows about past support, arrests etc.)

If the parties aren't married the military requires that the enlistee set up child support and temp custody before leaving for boot camp. She stated that there was already an order in place and she is trying to have it increased based on pay raises.
 

snodderly

Member
tigger2two, it's not unusual to get promotions below the zone. I know a guy who did it below the zone with every promotion. He was a butt kisser, someone the other guys couldn't stand but his commanders loved and he ended up outranking most of the guys he went to flight school with in a very short time. It can happen with any rank in the military.

As for moves being every 2 or 3 years, well, it's according to where you are stationed. I have friends who just moved stateside after being in Hawaii for 8 years. A couple we went to Germany with ended up being there for 6 years. If it's a station where personnel is short then it's fairly easy to extend your tour.

This guy has it made living in Germany. The exchange rate is good...his money is worth more there than here. It's cheap to travel and commissary and exchange items are cheaper than they are here in the states. We were there when we were first on and it was like living in a captains salary. There are financial perks to being overseas and I see no reason his child should not benefit from it.
 

topsidder

Member
Man, snodderly, you really need to work for the government.

Military gets substantial increases!? Beware readers, consider the source. This statement is from a person who belives that $2,000.00 US Dollars in combined support for one child barely brings the child above poverty!!!

Those of you who are raising not only one child, but perhaps two and maybe yourself on no more raise your hand!

Snodderly, not only would working for the government increase your awareness, it would also humble you. 1. Due to the matter of law increases, NO ONE should voluntaryly increase their CS, then it is a gift; 2. substantial is relative, thats why there is a percentage guideline as to what quals. for increase; 3. If there is a two year rule for civilians so should there be for military; 4. and finally, what if the guy's enlistment is up, seeks work in the civilian market only to find his pay would be less then if he stayed in the service. What are we to do now, tell him enlistment is no longer voluntary because now it decreases his income? Or, are you of the opinion that you make more in civilian markets and therefor should leave the military? Or are those increases in military pay just to substanial to ever "quit" the service?
 
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tigger2two

Guest
I would like to know what kind of special favors this guy is doing for his superiors to move up 3 ranks in 3 years

snodderly you didn't tell me any more than i already knew. Like I said above, I know on very RARE occassions this can happen. BUT IT IS NOT COMMON. I could understand one but considering how often military enlisted members have a change in commanding officers that he was able to pull 3 rank changes off on all of these commanding officers bc of his ,azz kissing as you put it.There are alot of commanding officers who truely can't stand this form of behavior. So i find it hard to believe that like i said he pulled that crap off and was rewarded by getting 3 advanced ranks due to his azz kissing. Bottom line is this woman wants more money (which i believe after 3 years she is due) but i doubt that her ex volunteered the info that "hey i got 3 ranks advancement for brown nosing and am now making a ton more money for you to NOT get" Even if he did tell her that, it is highly likely that it isn't true. Maybe it is but it is not common as you said it was.
 

snodderly

Member
Military gets substantial increases!? Beware readers, consider the source. This statement is from a person who belives that $2,000.00 US Dollars in combined support for one child barely brings the child above poverty!!!

Yes, they might want to consider the source!! How many years, exactly have you been involed with the military, either as a spouse or a member? In 2002 the military member got a 6.8% pay raise. In 2003 they got 4.8%. I'm not sure what the 2004 raise is but it's higher because of Bush and his desire to keep men in and make it more attractive for those considering coming in.

On top of pay raises their BAH was raised 7.5% in 2003 and their BAS was raised 4.8%. The ex husband of this poster has had a substantial increase in military pay over the last 3 years. Oh, and, if, at any time during that period he decided to reinlist he got right aound $4,000 paid to him in bonuses. That counts as income.

How do I know all this. Cause I'm about to face my ex in court on the 3rd of August and requested the information from the military pay office where he is stationed.

1. Due to the matter of law increases, NO ONE should voluntaryly increase their CS, then it is a gift;

Believe it or not, it can be written into the agreement that an increase is automatic with every pay raise of the parent paying support. I did not say anyone should gift their child the support that child deserves. Only you would look at doing the morally right thing toward a child as a gift. Believe or not the world is full of fathers who feel it their moral obligation to support their children...you just don't happen to be associated with one of them.

2. substantial is relative, thats why there is a percentage guideline as to what quals. for increase;

You are right. That jerk living in Germany with his new family might not view his raises as substantial. The woman raising his child on her own probably would though. I'm betting the courts will also if she ever gets in front of a judge.

3. If there is a two year rule for civilians so should there be for military;

Well, I guess if you have found yourself a member of an armed forces that has been downsized to the point of a severe shortage then civilian rules don't apply. That is what the president, congress and the senate think anyway. It's their opinions that count, not yours.

4. and finally, what if the guy's enlistment is up, seeks work in the civilian market only to find his pay would be less then if he stayed in the service. What are we to do now, tell him enlistment is no longer voluntary because now it decreases his income? Or, are you of the opinion that you make more in civilian markets and therefor should leave the military? Or are those increases in military pay just to substanial to ever "quit" the service?


You went off on a tangent here. Introduced a subject that had not even been introduced. It's a mute point anyway cause there is a stop gap in place. Most active duty members are finding themselves unable to get out because of the shortage and the fact we are at war. Thousands of those who had gotten out have been recalled. Now, when the time comes that they have the freedom to choose which they should do, reinlist or get out, I really have no opinion one way or the other. The majority of them get the kind of training in the military that will enable them to get good jobs if they get out. Who cares which one they do.
snodderly
 

TLWE

Member
snodderly said:
This guy has it made living in Germany. The exchange rate is good...his money is worth more there than here. It's cheap to travel and commissary and exchange items are cheaper than they are here in the states. We were there when we were first on and it was like living in a captains salary. There are financial perks to being overseas and I see no reason his child should not benefit from it.

The current exchange rate is 1 USD-1 = .8292 EUR0 , how is THAT a good exchange rate?

The Commissary has a 1% surcharge on the shelf price and a 5% surcharge at checkout...same as paying 6% sales tax. AAFES doesn't have a surcharge, but they only carry brand names. Many lower rank military personnel with small children (who have growing feet) have a rough time paying $30 and up for shoes.

Ohhh...well, I don't want to forget the whopping $130-$152 COLA you get living in GE!

Normal duty station time (with dependents) is 2 years CONUS and 3 years overseas. If you get to a post and your MOS is in short supply...you are going to be there until your slot can be filled.

I am in no way saying that just because a person is in the military they aren't obligated to support their children. But it is definitely not the career choice for getting rich.
 

snodderly

Member
I could understand one but considering how often military enlisted members have a change in commanding officers that he was able to pull 3 rank changes off on all of these commanding officers bc of his ,azz kissing as you put it

Do you know where a new commanding officer comes from? They come from within the command. The DO usually takes over as the commander when the commander leaves. My ex and I were stationed at one place for over 8 years. He made below the zone twice in a 4 year period. The entire 8 years we were there they did not ship someone in from out of the command to be the new commander. He had a long standing relationship with the 4 commanders during that 8 year period and made a very good impression on all of them.

The inlisted personnel at this commanded had the same advantages that my ex husband did. They had the opportunity to develop long lasting relationships that helped them further their career. In a time where we are experiencing a need for more military members it is quite easy to get a below the zone promotion. The fewer men you have to fill a position the more you are going to have to promote to put in that position.

Maybe it wasn't her ex husband she heard it from. Maybe she has friends still connected to the military and they told her. I haven't seen or spoken to my ex husband in over 1 and 1/2 years but it is easy to find out what rank he is, what job he holds and what his income is. On top of that she didn't say he had had 3 promotions in 3 years. She said it had been several years that he had been paying at the present rate and had 3 promotions since.
snodderly
 

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