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BCLM, ok. Here is what I think about some things you have said. Sure, we can move to better ourselves and our childrens lives. But we probably have to leave our children behind. I agree on that. we will be lucky to prove that we can do it in court. If we get stuck in a rut, we are stuck there with no hope because we don't want to leave our children.

Second, we are the ones who are the disiplinarians. That kind of makes it bad for the kids, and us. I agree. Those weekends and other days are the "fun days". The Cp is the one who has to make sure the homework is done, and teach responsibility, ect.ect.

Third, even when the NCP's are ordered to pay child support, some of them never do. They lose their licenses, or whatever punishment there is. I have no choice but to support my kids. I have to pay for school activities, clothes, medication, food, gas taking them where they need to go,babysitters, the list goes on and on. It is expensive to raise a kid, especially to a single mom. We need that tax money to get caught up on bills or buy other things for the kids. The cost of the child support we do get if we get it doesn't cover all of that. So don't go there.

Fourth, in my case, the NCP makes alot more money than I do. Every time his (NCP) mother gets mad, I am taken back to court. I have to pay an attourney. That is hard for me. I have to pay out alot more money than I can afford. I have even had to sell personal belongings, (Car) to get money to pay to defend myself and my child.

Fifth, My child was taken from me on 2 different occasions without my permission. I was in the shower and the sitter was here, he took my child. the sitter let him because she was afraid. Then he (NCP) called the police and told them my child was here unattended and he had to take her. and my ex hasn't paid CS in 5 years, still no jail time for him.

Sixth, my child came home with a handprint bruise on her butt. I never spank her, she was only 2 years old. There were witnessess in my home, one being a ss worker borrowing my computer. Nothing happened to them for doing that to her. She still has to go over to that home. I doubt it will happen again, It better never or I will be the one in jail. Everyones case is different. I realize there are vindictive people out there, and that is too bad for the children. But I will protect my child when I know she was being hurt. There was good proof and witnessess, but that wasn't good enough.
 


momself

Member
Just gotta add my two cents worth here...

I wish my ex hubby thought about the kids more than once a month. And the only reason he thinks about them at that time is because he sees his paycheck and the deduction for cs. No phone calls, no bday cards, no gifts, no visits, nothing from him. I have a pic of him from years ago that i show them when they ask where their daddy is. Thats the only thing they have of their father. A picture. How sad.

I have not kept our children from him, and i have tried to encourage him to be a part of their lives (but usually get the phone slammed in my ear). And if he wanted to have a relationship with his children, i would jump for joy. But i have a feelling that won't happen in this lifetime.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack this thread, just had to voice my opinion.

:D
 
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KCMR

Guest
What part of PA are you talking about moving to?

I live in PA and I'm about 5 minutes from NJ.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Aricci said:
What part of PA are you talking about moving to?

I live in PA and I'm about 5 minutes from NJ.

Hey! I live in NJ and I'm about 5 minutes from PA! (okay, more like 40 minutes - but it sounded good!)
 

haiku

Senior Member
BCLM, Bugaboo, and sunfun, ALL made excellent posts, you should really listen to THEM.

this is a LEGAL board, not a board to comisserate on (though we do, do that at times)

just a few thoughts.....

It amazes me when the CP complains about being the disciplinarian, and the NCP gets to be disneyland dad. DUH! The child LIVES with you. The NCP CANNOT possibly be all things in one weekend, trust me I know. I am not ONLY a stepmom, I am also a mom,(woman, business owner,friend,wife,etc...) and when my husbands other kids are here, we want to relax and enjoy each others company. The time we are ALLOWED to have them is short!

being the CP is a tough job, comes with EXTRA responsibility, but YOU wanted it!

People whether they are CP's or NCP's can be total ass's, it has nothing to do with thier position, I can gaurantee, if some man with kids was dumb enough to marry my husbands ex, she would become a hell-on-wheels stepmom to rival her ability as a hell-on-wheels CP.

Anyway, you want to move with the kid, go work something out with the ex, put HIS parenting RIGHT first, and see if you can't reach an agreemnet.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I agree with haiku & the others she named. And I'm a CP Mom. Yeah, I have to be Mom, Dad, nursemaid, disciplinarian, etc every blessed day while my ex gets to take them skiing, snowboarding, sailing, for 3 weeks to Europe, buys them toys, etc.

But you know what? My kids know and appreciate what I do for them. They know that I put their needs first, and work hard to raise them right. I have yet to have either of them throw "Well DAD buys us xyz!" in my face. Rather, I've gotten "We like Dad because he buys us stuff. But we love you because you take care of us."

Now, don't get me wrong - I would love to hear them say that they love their Dad for taking care of them. I've bent over backwards to keep him involved - it's been his choice to not be more so than he is.

So CP's - QUIT THE BITCHING about how hard the work is. You asked for it - you got it. And if you don't think it's the best job you've ever had, I pity you - and your children.
 
K

KCMR

Guest
momma_tiger said:
Hey! I live in NJ and I'm about 5 minutes from PA! (okay, more like 40 minutes - but it sounded good!)

yeah...maybe it's a little more than five...with bridge openings and all :)

momma...Last year I worked in Princeton, it was like a 45 minute drive.

Poster... is moving to PA seriously going to improve your life? We're not talking about moving across the country here. I use to swim to NJ when I was a kid.
 
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stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Aricci said:
yeah...maybe it's a little more than five...with bridge opeings and all :)

momma...Last year I worked in Princeton, it was like a 45 minute drive.

Poster... is moving to PA seriously going to improve your life? We're not talking about moving across the country here. I use to swim to NJ when I was a kid.

I'm about 45 from Princeton - the other way on 195. Small world.
 

haiku

Senior Member
hey I just thought of another point LOL I ramble!

just remember an NCP who DOES pay support is doing thier part to take care of the kids.

And to Momma Tiger-Your story reminds me of what my mom says is one of her best "mom" moments. It came when my sister told her how thankful she was that my mother 'kept" us! that she could have let dad have us, or just not cared to be a mom anymore. providing the HOME was what counted the most, not the gifts!

best wishes to you!
:)
 

CMSC

Senior Member
momma_tiger said:
I agree with haiku & the others she named. And I'm a CP Mom. Yeah, I have to be Mom, Dad, nursemaid, disciplinarian, etc every blessed day while my ex gets to take them skiing, snowboarding, sailing, for 3 weeks to Europe, buys them toys, etc.

But you know what? My kids know and appreciate what I do for them. They know that I put their needs first, and work hard to raise them right. I have yet to have either of them throw "Well DAD buys us xyz!" in my face. Rather, I've gotten "We like Dad because he buys us stuff. But we love you because you take care of us."

Now, don't get me wrong - I would love to hear them say that they love their Dad for taking care of them. I've bent over backwards to keep him involved - it's been his choice to not be more so than he is.

So CP's - QUIT THE BITCHING about how hard the work is. You asked for it - you got it. And if you don't think it's the best job you've ever had, I pity you - and your children.

EXACTLY!


Obviously NCP's not having enough rights is a sore subject to me because I could give a flying rats ass if my deadbeat has any rights. Anyone who lives around the corner and has not seen their child or paid their $17.31 in child support, is worthless to me. I don't complain about the money much, but yes I would like some help, we created these children together and he isn't forced to follow a court order and help support them.

I personally feel that we are NEVER going to agree on who has it toughest, the CP or the NCP. I can see both sides, I am on both sides. I am a CP married to an NCP, neither side is fair. No side is favored more when it comes to CSE, yes I know most would like to believe a CP is favored but I just put an ad in my local newspaper to start a group for CP's who can't get help getting their child support order enforced and I have already gotten 104 phone calls! That is too many! 75% of these people know where their ex's are working, know where they live and the ex has NEVER paid a penny to help out. Is that right? No. I don't care if we as CP's went to court and got custody there should still be another parent out there helping support this child both financially and emotionally.

Not all CP's are bad, favored, vindictive etc. Not all NCP's are lazy, deadbeat, scum of the earth. I at times think I am biased but then I can take time to see things from an NCP point of view, thanks to a great friend on here, who has done her damndest to make it for her children. She has put them first in so many ways, no matter how difficult it was for her and for that I admire this person!:)



p.s. bugaboo, i love you and you know that but stop placing all CP's into one category please! You deal with a true pbfh and i know you dont think all CP's are like this.:)

"I think about the children...Who gives a rats ass about the child support...Custodial Parents that's who. they could care less if the fathers get to see their child...just so long as they get their money. It's stupid. It's stupid that CP's think they are all mighty god and can control when the dad see's his kids. It's stupid that they put a dollar amount in comparison to a fathers love."
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Not to hijack the thread, but my son is finally getting more than a glimmer of the reality that is his Dad. Son is home with me this w/e due to a Scout event (Dad told him he could choose Scouts or seeing Dad this month :rolleyes: ) while sis is at Dad's. He's been trying to call his sister since Saturday, as he promised he would. Saturday he got the answering machine, yesterday 4 no answers at all and one busy - and I got an email from Dad 5 minutes after he tried to call and got no answer. so I told son to try again as I just got email (the content of which made it clear they were home) - no answer again. My son exploded. Told me that it is WRONG of Dad to not answer the phone when we call up there, and now he understands better why I get so frustrated trying to call them there (as an fyi - I never call on w/e visits - only longer ones. This was my son calling his sister, and I told him to just say hi from me). So there was a positive side to the issue, as I make a point of never saying anything negative about their Dad to them.

And yes - the HOME we provide our children is what counts, and what most of them cherish.

LOL I'm rambling now. My son's told me that his Dad has talked to him about moving up to NH when he's 12. Son said to me "You know, I don't think I could ever live with Dad. You're stricter than he is, but at least at HOME I know what the rules are and they're always fair. Dad makes them up as he goes, and it's usually Sis and I who get the short end." My response was "If the time comes you want to try it, we'll talk about the pros and cons. I won't say no to be mean to you OR your Dad. If I feel it's best for *you*, I won't stop you. But if I don't, I won't agree to it just to be your friend - it's my job to be your parent." We're in for an interesting year. LOL
 
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KCMR

Guest
"LOL I'm rambling now. My son's told me that his Dad has talked to him about moving up to NH when he's 12. Son said to me "You know, I don't think I could ever live with Dad. You're stricter than he is, but at least at HOME I know what the rules are and they're always fair. Dad makes them up as he goes, and it's usually Sis and I who get the short end." My response was "If the time comes you want to try it, we'll talk about the pros and cons. I won't say no to be mean to you OR your Dad. If I feel it's best for *you*, I won't stop you. But if I don't, I won't agree to it just to be your friend - it's my job to be your parent." We're in for an interesting year. LOL"


Oh momma...I just love you. You are a great mom.

ryry...I agree.
In all honesty it all depends on the person. Some people are just not worthy of the children they have conceived. However, it's really not fair to clump all CP's and or for that matter, all NCP's in the same boat.


I for one, don't want my son's father put in that dead beat category.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Aricci said:
[BOh momma...I just love you. You are a great mom.[/B]

Thanks. The emails I get from my ex often make me feel I'm not. LOL and then I remember that it's the exact reason I divorced him. It's a terrible thing to think that your children would be better off without you because someone's made you think you're a terrible person and parent. It's a long road back.
 

haiku

Senior Member
momma_tiger said:
Not to hijack the thread, but my son is finally getting more than a glimmer of the reality that is his Dad. Son is home with me this w/e due to a Scout event (Dad told him he could choose Scouts or seeing Dad this month :rolleyes: )

Thats what my husbands ex does to HIM. he always has to compete with sports, scouts, games and sleepovers, and even he says if he was the kid of course he would choose friends over boring dad given the choice!

divorce sucks no way getting around it, and its hard to find a happy medium.

and as I said in my other post, I don't lump CP's in one boat and NCP's in another, there is the "normal" boat and the "psycho" boat, and it doesn't matter what position my husbands ex holds or my ex once held, they will always have a ticket for the "psycho" boat!
 

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